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[Danny Linguini]

So what you're saying is once all paying customers who have been waiting for years recieve their knives you will no longer consider them a ponzi scheme?

There’s no yes or no answer to that. It would depend on how they managed to catch up on their backlog - and verifying that would require more than just their say so - and did it without defrauding investors or anybody else, just for starters. Having something for sale on their site other than preorders wouldn’t hurt, either.

 

[EngrSorenson]

At that point they would be merely dishonest, bad business people that used to run a ponzi scheme.

He’s taking interest free loans out from good people who wanted knives 6 years ago. He might start fulfilling orders on the regular like a real businessman (one day) but it’s all built on the lies he’s been telling everyone for 6-7 years.

 

[craytab]

Why would I answer a question if there is no possibility you will see things from my point of view or agree with me? That's not a sincere question.

How would I know if I will see things from your point of view until you tell me what that point of view is?

 

[EngrSorenson]

How would I know if I will see things from your point of view until you tell me what that point of view is?

after slapping the hot burner several times, this time he's cautiously approaching the burner and asking if he can touch it, like the results will be different.

 

[PirateSeulb]

So what you're saying is once all paying customers who have been waiting for years recieve their knives you will no longer consider them a ponzi scheme?

Not necessarily as long as they continue to "sell" new knives to pay for old knives it isn't really any different.

To bullet point the problems this thread has brought up and I have not seen any real evidence against or progress on.

#1 Unreasonably long outstanding order
#2 Pleas for new orders while having a long outstanding back order = financial instability or operating at a loss and thus not a sustainable operation
#3 Poor customer service
#4 Refusal of refunds. Yes some people may eventually have gotten them
#5 Reports of only partial refunds
#6 Selling "seconds" of long outstanding back order items
#7 Constant blaming of anyone but themselves for any problems and issues

There may be more but these are what stick in my mind and all add up to a company I would never want to do business with. They would need to get down to no more than probably 2 points on this list just to get to the point I would ignore them and not bother participating in discussion about them.

 

[King of the Cheese]

If only Bernie Madoff were available to provide expert testimony in this thread...

Survive is somewhere between these two:

 

[JohnWE]

Not necessarily as long as they continue to "sell" new knives to pay for old knives it isn't really any different.

To bullet point the problems this thread has brought up and I have not seen any real evidence against or progress on.

#1 Unreasonably long outstanding order
#2 Pleas for new orders while having a long outstanding back order = financial instability or operating at a loss and thus not a sustainable operation
#3 Poor customer service
#4 Refusal of refunds. Yes some people may eventually have gotten them
#5 Reports of only partial refunds
#6 Selling "seconds" of long outstanding back order items
#7 Constant blaming of anyone but themselves for any problems and issues

There may be more but these are what stick in my mind and all add up to a company I would never want to do business with. They would need to get down to no more than probably 2 points on this list just to get to the point I would ignore them and not bother participating in discussion about them.

You forgot to add the part where they enlist and encourage trolls to be their proxies…like the trolls in this thread.

 

[JohnWE]

I'll answer but first is there any answer I can give that you would see you agreeing with my being a fan of his?

once a troll, always a troll…

 

[AbjectTestament]

Having something for sale on their site other than preorders wouldn’t hurt, either.

In which case people will simply say how dare they sell new orders without finishing off their last orders.

How would I know if I will see things from your point of view until you tell me what that point of view is?

I'm just asking if it's a possibility.

once a troll, always a troll…

Good job John.




Survive! just posted some new numbers. Still not at 100% orders fulfilled

2015- 98.7%
2016- 94.8%
2017- 97.6%
2018- 99.8%
2019- 84.7%
2020- 64.2%
2021- 65.2%
2022- 41.4%

 

[EngrSorenson]

Survive! just posted some new numbers. Still not at 100% orders fulfilled

Are you equally surprised when the sun rises in the east?

 

[AbjectTestament]

Are you equally surprised when the sun rises in the east?

Yes.

 

[toker]

Survive continues to ignore production on their 2015, 2017 and 2018 knife orders! 4 months now with no progress.

Looks like they are making progress on some other blades.

2015: 0.0% in 1 month
2016: 0.3% in 1 month
2017: 0.0% in 1 month
2018: 0.0% in 1 month
2019: 5.0% in 1 month
2020: 0.6% in 1 month
2021: 1.2% in 1 month
2022: 5.4% in 1 month

 

[Quiet]

In which case people will simply say how dare they sell new orders without finishing off their last orders.

I'm just asking if it's a possibility.

Good job John.




Survive! just posted some new numbers. Still not at 100% orders fulfilled

2015- 98.7%
2016- 94.8%
2017- 97.6%
2018- 99.8%
2019- 84.7%
2020- 64.2%
2021- 65.2%
2022- 41.4%

LMAOOO

I mean, I really can't understand why you continue to support this scumbag when you see this sort of thing. Look at the data. Look at it. Look at your own post.

What it's telling you is that Guy is a fraudulent scumbag who "survives" by taking preorders from people in order to pay his personal bills. Every single knife made for people who ordered in 2016 through 2022 should never have happened while there were still orders pending from 2015. It's that simple. Guy is a small, two or three man shop, which means he took new preorders and used his man-hours to work on new knives for others instead of fulfilling every order from 2015. Why was that? How many times do we have to point out that his fraudulent business practices are why he's where he's at? If you had ordered a knife in every year posted there pre 2022, wouldn't your first question be "So wait, people ordered...and received knives in 2022 while my order from (pick a year before 2022) is still waiting? WHAT????"

At this point, I'm forced to conclude that the people who are still waiting on knives from this idiot are idiot marks themselves, and deserve the treatment they're receiving. Look at the statistics you just posted (because Scumbag! Knives released them publically). There is literally no other reasonable extrapolation to be had there. Why do you support this scumbag?

 

[AbjectTestament]

Survive continues to ignore production on their 2015, 2017 and 2018 knife orders! 4 months now with no progress.

Looks like they are making progress on some other blades.

Makes me wonder what it is about those years that they're having issues with making blades.

If it's 0% for those years due to certain models then it will be (or should be) 0% for the same models in other years.

 

[toker]

Makes me wonder what it is about those years that they're having issues with making blades.

If it's 0% for those years due to certain models then it will be (or should be) 0% for the same models in other years.

I think that one of the videos said it was the larger blades that were not complete.

Still doesn't make sense why they couldn't just stop production for a few weeks and finish them once and for all. But then again, I don't know why they do what they do.

 

[craytab]

I'm just asking if it's a possibility.

Well, since you won't share your reasons to back up your claim, looks like just more trolling.

 

[braillediver]

Guy is a fraudulent scumbag who "survives" by taking preorders from people in order to pay his personal bills.

That's the crux of the matter. The knife payments from all the previous years has been spent and is long gone. There is no money on hand to make the knives already paid for.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Well, since you won't share your reasons to back up your claim, looks like just more trolling.

I'm waiting for you to tell me whether or not there is a possibility you'll accept my answer as valid.

 

[AbjectTestament]

I think that one of the videos said it was the larger blades that were not complete.

Still doesn't make sense why they couldn't just stop production for a few weeks and finish them once and for all. But then again, I don't know why they do what they do.

I've heard that as well however it looks like some people have been slowly getting the larger blades. I'm waiting on one myself.

If I had to guess I would suggest they're accepting risk of putting off losing some time and production associated with finishing up all the large blades (and said people waiting canceling their orders) with pumping out more newer orders and models to shoot up their money in the bank.

That's not a feel good approach but declaring bankruptcy means people have 0% chance of getting their knives and money back (unless they have a solid CC company).

Me personally? I'd like to think in their shoes I would just close down production and clear the backlog. However from a business model point of view people aren't canceling those legacy orders en mass and people are still buying up their knives and making pre-orders. Risk vs reward. Some people here have said they will never buy from them.No doubt there are plenty others out there that feel the same.
The retailers that get shipments of their knives don't see them in stock very long.

 

[benchwarmer380]

I'm waiting for you to tell me whether or not there is a possibility you'll accept my answer as valid.

It's possible. Let's hear it.