Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Infi-del said:
I purchased the tool I wanted. I don't expect you accept anything. I expect you to make your own choice. But this selective moral outrage is hollow and threadbare. Because you likely practice what preach far less often than not. And the hyperbolic rage-porn overflowing virtue signaling nature of this thread is why it has little credibility any longer. You've got a few converts and disiples... all churches do... but it's ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Them's the breaks kid.
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Say what you will about the credibility of this thread, but at the end of the day there's only one person with a company that is letting down customers from 7 years ago.
The hyperbole is only a direct result of the track record of a company which, to this day, hasn't rectified it's own problem.
Your bashing of this thread matters not, because ultimately we have no responsibility to produce a product for anyone.

Survive! Knives has zero credibility. We're just a forum thread who thinks their behavior is outrageous and we will continue to respond until it's rectified.
 
Infi-del said:
Be consistent... if you're going to be so high and mighty about not patronizing a company that you consider to be amoral... don't be a hypocrite about it. Turn off your computer and sell it. Get rid of that Samsung fridge in your kitchen. That Sonicare toothbrush in your bathroom. 86 that flat screen in your living room.
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I mean, why stop therre?

Cuz it has to be either one or the other. Black or white. Either everything you do should be ideal or nothing. With that train of thought, and since every single person posting here and/or reading this is supporting an unethical company somehow some way, why don't we just all go murder puppies in mass. We're already immoral scum right? Since we've acted poorly in one way, it absolutely justifies acting poorly in other ways, right? Great logic bro.
 
I could be wrong, but I rather suspect our champion of truth and justice (or at least champion of scamsters and morally bankrupt behavior) has found himself on the end of a temporary thread ban. I'd expect him back in about a week.
 
TiNi said:
They are now going to get alot of income

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Yes orders are coming in. I almost purchased that same knife they got as it was the last one on the website selling them and it was not Survive's site. I ordered one in May of 2016 but cancelled after many promises of them getting it to me in weeks and as years came and went I got a refund after not asking for it because of complaints. Here it is 2022 and they are not all shipped out GSO 5.1 but you can get one from retailers, 2nds, and other terms of selling the same blade. I now regret not buying it because these guys gave it a good review.
Now they have a 90 day window to send them out and we have seen this before. Two places on the same webpage they state 90 days but one spot states no date guarantee and that is what they will go by. I don't hate their knives as much as I despise their business decisions. I guess after 6 years I should let the grudge go but I told them I would complain and they said go for it. At least I do my best to tell the truth about them.
Maybe someone should create a FB page on crappy knife companies.
 
Infi-del said:
Right... this is the church of knaf... selective moral outrage is cool if it's about knafs. Be consistent... if you're going to be so high and mighty about not patronizing a company that you consider to be amoral... don't be a hypocrite about it. Turn off your computer and sell it. Get rid of that Samsung fridge in your kitchen. That Sonicare toothbrush in your bathroom. 86 that flat screen in your living room.



Because that's how I choose to conduct myself. And maybe you don't know what you think you know about me just because we disagree here,
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When people make a purchase for the new phone or TV do they have to wait 7 years to get it?
The moral outrage is about not getting what you were promised in a timely manner.
Do you buy an appliance and wait 7 years for it to show up.
The whole moral outrage argument over companies don't even line up with the arguments here but mere deflection and trying to assume the high road.
Next you will be saying yes he is a liar and a crook but at least he is not a mass killer so send money to Survive.
News Nugget in your attempt to come up with pity comments you acutely are admitting they are a scumbag company and so everyone should just send them money and like the idea they lie, cheat with the restock fee on vaporware, and lack of concern on what truly matters.
As far as people not doing business with shady companies there are many here that won't buy Bark River Knives.
People can do what they want to and you trying to say you can't express your opinion because of some fictional high ground is just obtuse.
 
Sagemode said:
Yes orders are coming in. I almost purchased that same knife they got as it was the last one on the website selling them and it was not Survive's site. I ordered one in May of 2016 but cancelled after many promises of them getting it to me in weeks and as years came and went I got a refund after not asking for it because of complaints. Here it is 2022 and they are not all shipped out GSO 5.1 but you can get one from retailers, 2nds, and other terms of selling the same blade. I now regret not buying it because these guys gave it a good review.
Now they have a 90 day window to send them out and we have seen this before. Two places on the same webpage they state 90 days but one spot states no date guarantee and that is what they will go by. I don't hate their knives as much as I despise their business decisions. I guess after 6 years I should let the grudge go but I told them I would complain and they said go for it. At least I do my best to tell the truth about them.
Maybe someone should create a FB page on crappy knife companies.
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Someone gives it a good review and that causes you regret despite the crappy behavior that you actually experienced? I'm perplexed. Why not just go buy a knife that has a good review that isn't produced by a pile of shady characters? There's plenty of fish in the sea. I think you did exactly the right thing.
 
The moral outrage is about minimizing support for anything that contributes to something you morally disagree with at a certain point we may make concessions because either we can't afford the options that has no moral conflicts or there is no option w/o moral conflicts. There is really nothing to make concessions for Survive when the number of equal or better alternatives exist that have fewer or no moral conflicts for many and offer competitive pricing.
 
PirateSeulb said:
The moral outrage is about minimizing support for anything that contributes to something you morally disagree with at a certain point we may make concessions because either we can't afford the options that has no moral conflicts or there is no option w/o moral conflicts. There is really nothing to make concessions for Survive when the number of equal or better alternatives exist that have fewer or no moral conflicts for many and offer competitive pricing.
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After parsing the two sentences a handful of times, I agree :)

(sorry could not resist)
 
tokerblue said:
Take a look at Carothers. Their Delta 3V is about as tough as it gets and their fit and finish is top notch. As a bonus, they don't take 5 years to ship.
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Fortunately, there still are many makers and manufactures with solid reputations, who make knives and then sell an actual physical product.
 
There are makers out there you can be proud to associate with. Honorable makers who take pride in their work and you can trust.

The tool they create is an extension of themselves. For me that's the reason I delve into this hobby. There's nothing ultimately special about any of these knives. It's a tool and if it wasn't for the connection the the person who made it I'd just buy a massed produced one and be happy.
 
Triton said:
Someone gives it a good review and that causes you regret despite the crappy behavior that you actually experienced? I'm perplexed. Why not just go buy a knife that has a good review that isn't produced by a pile of shady characters? There's plenty of fish in the sea. I think you did exactly the right thing.
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Your missing the point if I bought this blade then Dutch... would not have it in possession to make the video. That very knife was at a retailer online for sale not too long ago. After all my post do you think I would do something to help them? I am sad that the video would get people to fall for the ponzi scheme. Now that they made that video a bunch of people are giving money to these deceivers.
 
Sagemode said:
Your missing the point if I bought this blade then Dutch... would not have it in possession to make the video. That very knife was at a retailer online for sale not too long ago. After all my post do you think I would do something to help them? I am sad that the video would get people to fall for the ponzi scheme. Now that they made that video a bunch of people are giving money to these deceivers.
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Gotcha. I didn't understand what you were telling us.
 
Hurrul said:
Fortunately, there still are many makers and manufactures with solid reputations, who make knives and then sell an actual physical product.
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I can get a custom knife from makers and have it in under a year. The fact that they offer better performance and warranty is a plus too. Check out William Collins knives. I would take AEB-L or pick a steel of my own over anything Survive promises. I would take a LT Wright, Busse , or Carothers long before I would support Survive. Waiting a year just to go to Blade Show is better than trusting Survive.

The FACT that they count refunds as completed orders is so slimy. I figure that is what is pushing those numbers up. Those poor saps from 2015 and 2016 have not gotten their GSO 5.1 yet but is sad you can buy one online from a retailer before they got theirs. I don't think 95% of the people ever get their blades because they all ask for refunds. The lies that they are moving away from preorders then wham after a little time they are at it again.

I laugh at the new GSO 5.1 orders even in Magnacut are on schedule to shipped in 90 days but then they still cling to no set date of delivery.
Survive has no intent of getting those orders sent out in 90 days unless you are one of their FB warriors.
 
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Sagemode said:
Your missing the point if I bought this blade then Dutch... would not have it in possession to make the video. That very knife was at a retailer online for sale not too long ago. After all my post do you think I would do something to help them? I am sad that the video would get people to fall for the ponzi scheme. Now that they made that video a bunch of people are giving money to these deceivers.
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go to to the comment section and leave links to this thread

that's what I did
 
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