Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

bonky said:
That's even part of Elliie's patented ExcuseTron2000: Blaming suppliers of all the parts for Survive's inability to honor years-old paid in full orders.
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Legit.
bonky said:
Does S?K make blanks? Nope.
Handles? Nope
Heat Treat? Nope
Sheaths? Nope

They're a glorified kit-knife assembly plant, and not a particularly good one at that.
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Based off the videos they're putting out they appear to be cutting and making their own blades and handles. I believe they still outsource for heat treatment and of course sheaths.

Do most knife manufactures make their own sheaths?
 
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AbjectTestament said:
Legit.

Based off the videos they're putting out they appear to be cutting and making their own blades and handles. I believe they still outsource for heat treatment and of course sheaths.

Do most knife manufactures make their own sheaths?
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I'm not surprised. Based off videos in the past, they were moving in with Millett and all outstanding orders were going to be completed in-house by Christmas. That was all chicanery, of course.

How many years ago was that? And how did that turn out for the backorders and Millett?
 
October update. Now that we know that Survive! counts refunded orders as "Complete", I'm not sure if they've made any progress on older orders. One thing for sure is that they didn't fulfill their backlog again, despite any promises that were made.

What's also interesting is they're at negative fulfillment for 2022. Meaning they once again took more orders than they can fulfill. It also doesn't look like there was much production at all in the last month. 😬

2015: 0.3% in 1 month
2016: 1.0% in 1 month
2017: 0.1% in 1 month
2018: 0.0% in 1 month
2019: 1.1% in 1 month
2020: 2.6% in 1 month
2021: 0.7% in 1 month
2022: -14.9% in 1 month

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They should change name of company to “Survive 7”

so people have some indication of how long it might take?

I am not very good at math, but someone who is could calculate the average wait time, the probability increase of receiving your knife with each year passing, etc. and give us real nice statistics on what this chart actually indicates.

I feel bad for the 2018 people, 99.8% delivery but not the last 0.2%?

7 years?! You could have ordered and received a Randall.
 
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tokerblue said:
October update. Now that we know that Survive! counts refunded orders as "Complete", I'm not sure if they've made any progress on older orders. One thing for sure is that they didn't fulfill their backlog again, despite any promises that were made.

What's also interesting is they're at negative fulfillment for 2022. Meaning they once again took more orders than they can fulfill. It also doesn't look like there was much production at all in the last month.

2015: 0.3% in 1 month
2016: 1.0% in 1 month
2017: 0.1% in 1 month
2018: 0.0% in 1 month
2019: 1.1% in 1 month
2020: 2.6% in 1 month
2021: 0.7% in 1 month
2022: -14.9% in 1 month

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Just imagine… poor Guy up for nights on end, turning the screws to assemble the pieces for knives he’s trying so desperately to get out the door. Each newly assembled knife a gnat’s eyelash from perfect… taunting him to correct it. 🤣
 
EngrSorenson said:
Just imagine… poor Guy up for nights on end, turning the screws to assemble the pieces for knives he’s trying so desperately to get out the door. Each newly assembled knife a gnat’s eyelash from perfect… taunting him to correct it. 🤣
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And when he finally gets one finished, he reaches into the sheath box....only to find it empty!
 
bonky said:
I think someone might be confusing "making" with "assembling". That's even part of Elliie's patented ExcuseTron2000: Blaming suppliers of all the parts for Survive's inability to honor years-old paid in full orders.

Does S?K make blanks? Nope.
Handles? Nope
Heat Treat? Nope
Sheaths? Nope

They're a glorified kit-knife assembly plant, and not a particularly good one at that.
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Yep. And I think, given how clean their shop and machines always are in their videos, this is how it still works for them. If they ever get called on it, they'll just say "Well, due to insane demand, we outsourced some of our production runs, but the rest are TOTALLY inhouse, we promise guys!" :rolleyes:
 
AbjectTestament said:
I'd like to know who made the knives I bought if it wasn't Survive!.
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Are you aware of Chinese knock offs? Some of us had knives failing in normal activities. I am also aware of shills on here using hermanutics and exegeses to ban and refund people who complain. Some of us are far more intelligent than you give us credit for also. Riddle me this when you have 7600 or more orders on GSO 5.1 and you only see a few on the table and 95% of the blades getting refunded and counted as completed what that picture tell you. They never had the intent of completing the number of orders they took in. It's been 6 years and counting and even at 1 knife a day that is 2190 knives in one model can you prove that 2190 GSO 5.1 were sent out? Do you have a photo of over 1000 of any model in the photos they release.
Very easy to prove fraud on Survive. It's easy to counter a troll as they always ignore 99% of the proof and focus on a sentence where they can take up for Survive. Gee I wonder if some of us are smart enough to lay a trap down? What make you think the police or AG of ID don't know of Survive? I wonder what aiding and abetting criminals look like? Have you ever listen to the song man in the mirror? Hey at least you got your knife.
I contacted Guy and told him I would stop complaining if he would honor the agreement but he just want money and for me to wait. They told me years ago to go complain knowing they would ban me from FB and shut their other comment sections on social media down. Yes they have a decent product if you can get it and part of me wants to give them the chance to redeem themselves but they have do intent of doing so. I say that because a lot of people put their money and faith in them. The response you always get is that it is the consumer's fault for not asking for a refund even at the 20% penalty on vaporware

Survive lies in emails to consumers that the knives will be shipped out in weeks a few months or by Christmas. Have you not seen the charts that all blades would be done by the end of the year over and over.
 
Sagemode said:
Are you aware of Chinese knock offs?
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I am yes. I seen a Survive knockoff, I think it was a 5.1?

Sagemode said:
Some of us had knives failing in normal activities.
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You're saying some have had Survive! knives breaking from every day stuff?
Sagemode said:
I am also aware of shills on here using hermanutics and exegeses to ban and refund people who complain.
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Can you explain this? The only thing that's showing up for hermanutics and exegeses is to do with interpreting biblical texts.

Sagemode said:
Some of us are far more intelligent than you give us credit for also.
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I think most of you on this forum are quite intelligent.
Sagemode said:
Riddle me this when you have 7600 or more orders on GSO 5.1 and you only see a few on the table and 95% of the blades getting refunded and counted as completed what that picture tell you. They never had the intent of completing the number of orders they took in. It's been 6 years and counting and even at 1 knife a day that is 2190 knives in one model can you prove that 2190 GSO 5.1 were sent out? Do you have a photo of over 1000 of any model in the photos they release.
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So when I look at their videos it appears to me they're moving a lot of knifes. You can say only a few on the table but it looks like hundreds to me. Have a look for yourself.

Currently it looks like they're emphasizing their 5.1s. Do I think they put old orders on hold to sell and manufacture 5.1s because they're in demand? Yes I do.

I've hit a point where I'm thinking okay enough is enough, clear the old orders. There are a few more knives I have my eye on but I've decided I won't buy anything else until the old orders are caught up. I'm also going to cancel my current orders in the next month or two.

Sagemode said:
Very easy to prove fraud on Survive.
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Yet no one has taken them to court, sent the police, filed a lawsuit and so on.
Sagemode said:
It's easy to counter a troll as they always ignore 99% of the proof and focus on a sentence where they can take up for Survive. Gee I wonder if some of us are smart enough to lay a trap down? What make you think the police or AG of ID don't know of Survive? I wonder what aiding and abetting criminals look like? Have you ever listen to the song man in the mirror? Hey at least you got your knife.
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You're losing me a bit here. I'm not sure if they're known to the police or not. I think if they were someone would be in here bragging about it. I've mentioned in the past when I spoke with Visa's fraud department Survive! wasn't on their black list.

Sagemode said:
I contacted Guy and told him I would stop complaining if he would honor the agreement but he just want money and for me to wait. They told me years ago to go complain knowing they would ban me from FB and shut their other comment sections on social media down. Yes they have a decent product if you can get it and part of me wants to give them the chance to redeem themselves but they have do intent of doing so. I say that because a lot of people put their money and faith in them. The response you always get is that it is the consumer's fault for not asking for a refund even at the 20% penalty on vaporware
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I guess. I think if more people canceled their orders Survive! might be incentivized to honor their legacy orders and not play shell games.
Sagemode said:
Survive lies in emails to consumers that the knives will be shipped out in weeks a few months or by Christmas. Have you not seen the charts that all blades would be done by the end of the year over and over.
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You're not wrong Sagemode. They do give knowingly unrealistic shipping times on their orders. The "all orders completed by Christmas" was a huge, very clearly unrealistic promise to make.
 
AbjectTestament said:
I am yes. I seen a Survive knockoff, I think it was a 5.1?


You're saying some have had Survive! knives breaking from every day stuff?

Can you explain this? The only thing that's showing up for hermanutics and exegeses is to do with interpreting biblical texts.


I think most of you on this forum are quite intelligent.

So when I look at their videos it appears to me they're moving a lot of knifes. You can say only a few on the table but it looks like hundreds to me. Have a look for yourself.

Currently it looks like they're emphasizing their 5.1s. Do I think they put old orders on hold to sell and manufacture 5.1s because they're in demand? Yes I do.

I've hit a point where I'm thinking okay enough is enough, clear the old orders. There are a few more knives I have my eye on but I've decided I won't buy anything else until the old orders are caught up. I'm also going to cancel my current orders in the next month or two.


Yet no one has taken them to court, sent the police, filed a lawsuit and so on.

You're losing me a bit here. I'm not sure if they're known to the police or not. I think if they were someone would be in here bragging about it. I've mentioned in the past when I spoke with Visa's fraud department Survive! wasn't on their black list.


I guess. I think if more people canceled their orders Survive! might be incentivized to honor their legacy orders and not play shell games.

You're not wrong Sagemode. They do give knowingly unrealistic shipping times on their orders. The "all orders completed by Christmas" was a huge, very clearly unrealistic promise to make.
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:rolleyes:
 
AbjectTestament said:
I guess. I think if more people canceled their orders Survive! might be incentivized to honor their legacy orders and not play shell games.
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Look at the fulfillment rate on the older orders since they've been publishing numbers. Given that they have admitted they count refunded orders as complete, how many orders do you think they've actually fulfilled? I'd guess little to none.

I also think it's hilarious that the term "legacy order" is a relevant description.
 
For a look at what is REALLY happening at S!K these day, all you need to do is spend a few minutes in the comments for their recent FB posts. There are some happy customers / fanbois. There are also a lot of unhappy people complaining about missed production dates, poor communications and difficulty getting refunds. Same issues, same excuses...
 
tokerblue said:
Look at the fulfillment rate on the older orders since they've been publishing numbers. Given that they have admitted they count refunded orders as complete, how many orders do you think they've actually fulfilled? I'd guess little to none.
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The problem with using order percentages by year is that you have no way to quantify how many orders are actually outstanding.
There could 10 outstanding orders in 2019 or there could be 10,000.

An increase of 1% in orders doesn't mean much if there's only 10 of them, it does if there's 10,000.

Unless you know how many actually orders there are per year then those numbers are really meaningless.
 
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