Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

[AbjectTestament]

For a look at what is REALLY happening at S!K these day, all you need to do is spend a few minutes in the comments for their recent FB posts. There are some happy customers / fanbois. There are also a lot of unhappy people complaining about missed production dates, poor communications and difficulty getting refunds. Same issues, same excuses...

You're not wrong. Lots of people asking perfectly logical questions. Survive! shouldn't be filling new orders when old ones are outstanding. It looks like they haven't even been responding with the usual excuses.

 

[benchwarmer380]

The problem with using order percentages by year is that you have no way to quantify how many orders are actually outstanding.
There could 10 outstanding orders in 2019 or there could be 10,000.

An increase of 1% in orders doesn't mean much if there's only 10 of them, it does if there's 10,000.

Unless you know how many actually orders there are per year then those numbers are really meaningless.

The percentage shows the general progress, which is sometimes very little or none at all.

They likely don't show the actual figures because it allows for speculation that can't be proven, and that obfuscation is better for them.


Whether that 1% of knives that was completed was 1, 10, 100, 1,000 or 10,000 I think it is meaningful and all ends of that spectrum show failures on their end.

If it resides on the lower end, that means that they have been unable to get a small number of knives built and sent to their customers for years.

If on the higher end, it shows a higher overall production rate, but still well short of what they need to do as its only a 1% increase. It also means that they took a lot more money from many more customers that have not received their items after years of waiting when mere months were promised.

 

[toker]

The problem with using order percentages by year is that you have no way to quantify how many orders are actually outstanding.
There could 10 outstanding orders in 2019 or there could be 10,000.

An increase of 1% in orders doesn't mean much if there's only 10 of them, it does if there's 10,000.

Unless you know how many actually orders there are per year then those numbers are really meaningless.

Agreed. We don't know their actual production numbers since they don't post the actual numbers. Two things are certain.

1. There has been little to no progress for their 2015-2018 orders. Doesn't matter what the number is. The percentage has not changed.
2. Their 2022 progress was negative in the last month. Meaning they took more orders than they produced.

 

[craytab]

The problem with using order percentages by year is that you have no way to quantify how many orders are actually outstanding.
There could 10 outstanding orders in 2019 or there could be 10,000.

An increase of 1% in orders doesn't mean much if there's only 10 of them, it does if there's 10,000.

Unless you know how many actually orders there are per year then those numbers are really meaningless.

What a total bullshit excuse. You can never say you aren't defending survive when you make absolute garbage posts like this.

 

[AbjectTestament]

If on the higher end, it shows a higher overall production rate, but still well short of what they need to do as its only a 1% increase. It also means that they took a lot more money from many more customers that have not received their items after years of waiting when mere months were promised.

Those are good points.

Agreed. We don't know their actual production numbers since they don't post the actual numbers. Two things are certain.

1. There has been little to no progress for their 2015-2018 orders. Doesn't matter what the number is. The percentage has not changed.
2. Their 2022 progress was negative in the last month. Meaning they took more orders than they produced.

Yup. I'm really curious what they actual numbers are and on which specific types of knives. They certainly should have started producing new styles of knives with old GSO pre-orders outstanding.
I believe they took more orders than they produced. I think I was right when I suggested they leveraged the fact people waited 6 years so they'll wait longer against the money they'll lose from some of those people canceling orders against the money they're making from new orders.

They're armed with the knowledge that people will wait 5 or 6 years for their product and from a business POV that's huge. That will give them confidence to stretch out shipping times and take more and more orders.

 

[craytab]

They're armed with the knowledge that people will wait 5 or 6 years for their product and from a business POV that's huge.

And one of the reasons for that is because they have shills like you out here pumping them up. Not one person should listen to a single thing you have to say, save for us destroying your garbage trash-bag arguments.

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

Guy learned his lesson well from the gun store burglary. They keep the numbers low in the petty theft/white collar crime category so no law enforcement will go way out of their jurisdiction for a $200 theft.

Q U A N T I T Y

 

[danbot]

Dear valued Survive! customer.
Due to unforeseen rises in Russian caused inflation, we will only be using materials purchased pre-2021. In order to fulfill Legacy orders, we will be adjusting all orders for inflation by 35%.
Please keep an eye on your account for your new invoice that we will be issuing within the next few days. Make sure to pay promptly to keep your place in line!

 

[Citori]

That will give them confidence to stretch out shipping times and take more and more orders.

That isn't a "will give them", that is how they've always operated.

They've never not lied about their lead times even though they know full well they are not capable of meeting them.

 

[AbjectTestament]

That isn't a "will give them", that is how they've always operated.

They've never not lied about their lead times even though they know full well they are not capable of meeting them.

Fair point. It will give them continued confidence to continue stretching out shipping times and offering unrealistic goals.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Lots of GSO 5.1s heading out for heat treatment. Wonder if these are upgrades for previous orders or new.

 

[craytab]

Lots of GSO 5.1s heading out for heat treatment. Wonder if these are upgrades for previous orders or new.

Why don't you go ask guy, shill.

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

Dear valued Survive! customer.
Due to unforeseen rises in Russian caused inflation, we will only be using materials purchased pre-2021. In order to fulfill Legacy orders, we will be adjusting all orders for inflation by 35%.
Please keep an eye on your account for your new invoice that we will be issuing within the next few days. Make sure to pay promptly to keep your place in line!

forreals?

 

[palonej]

Take my money!!!!! Please!!!!

Dear valued Survive! customer.
Due to unforeseen rises in Russian caused inflation, we will only be using materials purchased pre-2021. In order to fulfill Legacy orders, we will be adjusting all orders for inflation by 35%.
Please keep an eye on your account for your new invoice that we will be issuing within the next few days. Make sure to pay promptly to keep your place in line!

 

[Sagemode]

The problem with using order percentages by year is that you have no way to quantify how many orders are actually outstanding.
There could 10 outstanding orders in 2019 or there could be 10,000.

An increase of 1% in orders doesn't mean much if there's only 10 of them, it does if there's 10,000.

Unless you know how many actually orders there are per year then those numbers are really meaningless.

My order # was in the 7600s and they had many open dates after that and I canceled by the 24 month mark then 54 months after that they finally said they were done with the 7/7. the 5.1 was in the 7000s and that was May 2016 and I cancelled at 18 months and they are still not done. I saw others with order # in the 10k and no they never got theirs. I got replies from them saying they were bored from just sharpening knives all day and nobody wanted to help them.

Further proof of lies is they said they had all the steel to make their knives after I called them out on it and sure enough the knives in 20CV will be upgraded to Magnacut but it will add time to your order and they have used this steel upgrade excuse for years.

My guess is that over 80% of the people ask for a refund and they know it but hold on to the money for about 3 years on average before people make a request. When they get replies from Survive it is always some bottleneck or lie to stall for time.

 

[Sagemode]

I am yes. I seen a Survive knockoff, I think it was a 5.1?


You're saying some have had Survive! knives breaking from every day stuff?

Yes and when sent it in they never got it back and some others took 3 years to get a replacement so how is that for warranty.

Can you explain this? The only thing that's showing up for hermanutics and exegeses is to do with interpreting biblical texts.

Interpreting text a reveiw of words that you or others use points to regions and down to neighborhoods so people post where they are from and we can tell who wrote what even if they hide their identity,

I think most of you on this forum are quite intelligent.

So when I look at their videos it appears to me they're moving a lot of knifes. You can say only a few on the table but it looks like hundreds to me. Have a look for yourself.

I have looked and it is not thousands of knives on that table. Some people can talk to others and see order numbers and have an idea on how many knives are suppose to be there. It is often recycled photos with the illusion that many are being sent out. Do you see thousands of post about people getting their knives or not getting them?

Currently it looks like they're emphasizing their 5.1s. Do I think they put old orders on hold to sell and manufacture 5.1s because they're in demand? Yes I do.

I've hit a point where I'm thinking okay enough is enough, clear the old orders. There are a few more knives I have my eye on but I've decided I won't buy anything else until the old orders are caught up. I'm also going to cancel my current orders in the next month or two.


Yet no one has taken them to court, sent the police, filed a lawsuit and so on.

I would beg the differ but then how would you know oh you had to fix that in your next statement how convenient.

You're losing me a bit here. I'm not sure if they're known to the police or not. I think if they were someone would be in here bragging about it. I've mentioned in the past when I spoke with Visa's fraud department Survive! wasn't on their black list.


I guess. I think if more people canceled their orders Survive! might be incentivized to honor their legacy orders and not play shell games.

Most have and no they are not going to stop with games because that is the point to Survive Knives.

You're not wrong Sagemode. They do give knowingly unrealistic shipping times on their orders. The "all orders completed by Christmas" was a huge, very clearly unrealistic promise to make.

Yet they have done it many times.

So you spoke to Visa. Did you speak to the BBB or Paypal because they have a different story. Are you 100% certain OGA have not been contacted and how would you know if such contacts were or were not made? There was only one thing protecting them and they just admitted to having a Mens Rea and ditching that protection they had. Which one do they fall under?

Mala Prohibita or Mala in Se​

 

[TOMBSTONE]

I may have mentioned previously, but I’ll reiterate. It would be beneficial to file a complaint with the AG in survives home state. I had an issue with a company in Texas and I and some other’s filed complaints. I got my money back and the company was put out of business. I don’t know if there were criminal charges but unlike the bbb, the AG can put this turd in prison

 

[toker]

November update. Now that we know that Survive! counts refunded orders as "Complete", we can't tell how much progress they actually make on older orders. One thing for sure is that they barely fulfilled their backlog again, despite any promises that were made. It doesn't look like they produced much of anything in November.

They also decided to remove 2022 progress and overall progress from the Production schedule. I have no idea why they would want to do that.

2015: 0.0% in 1 month
2016: 0.8% in 1 month
2017: 0.0% in 1 month
2018: 0.2% in 1 month
2019: 1.3% in 1 month
2020: 0.2% in 1 month
2021: 0.1% in 1 month
2022: ??? in 1 month

 

[craytab]

November update. Now that we know that Survive! counts refunded orders as "Complete", we can't tell how much progress they actually make on older orders. One thing for sure is that they barely fulfilled their backlog again, despite any promises that were made. It doesn't look like they produced much of anything in November.

They also decided to remove 2022 progress and overall progress from the Production schedule. I have no idea why they would want to do that.

2015: 0.0% in 1 month
2016: 0.8% in 1 month
2017: 0.0% in 1 month
2018: 0.2% in 1 month
2019: 1.3% in 1 month
2020: 0.2% in 1 month
2021: 0.1% in 1 month
2022: ??? in 1 month

But but but...abjectfailure posts videos of them doing stuff!

 

[AbjectTestament]

Yes and when sent it in they never got it back and some others took 3 years to get a replacement so how is that for warranty.

That's shitty.

Interpreting text a reveiw of words that you or others use points to regions and down to neighborhoods so people post where they are from and we can tell who wrote what even if they hide their identity,

Thanks for the explanation.

I have looked and it is not thousands of knives on that table. Some people can talk to others and see order numbers and have an idea on how many knives are suppose to be there. It is often recycled photos with the illusion that many are being sent out. Do you see thousands of post about people getting their knives or not getting them?

Hundreds not thousands. You should post some of the pictures so people can analyze lighting, coffee cups, level of dirt on his apron and other telltale photo shopping. I'd like to see proof they're recycling photos to be honest.
I'll post a video sooner or later and we can check ambient sound levels.

I would beg the differ but then how would you know oh you had to fix that in your next statement how convenient.

I still haven't heard the plaintiffs name who took Survive or Guy to court.

Most have and no they are not going to stop with games because that is the point to Survive Knives.

Most people have canceled their orders?

So you spoke to Visa. Did you speak to the BBB or Paypal because they have a different story. Are you 100% certain OGA have not been contacted and how would you know if such contacts were or were not made? There was only one thing protecting them and they just admitted to having a Mens Rea and ditching that protection they had. Which one do they fall under?

No I haven't. What's PayPals story on Survive! ?