Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Citori said:
Just some objectivity to go along with the suggestions you request a refund. Take a look at the archive of their Production Schedule page from December 4, 2021:

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They still haven't posted their December 2022 production update, but I think we can extrapolate their progress from their history.

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rightsideup said:
Personally... I think they should take the approach of no pre-orders and just sell their completed knives when ready to ship. That's just me though...
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They can't do that or they would have no money coming in. They've said time and time again that the money is GONE. It's a nasty cycle they put themselves in.
 
Elgatodeacero said:
Survive Knives are not “superb”.

They discontinued the Delta 3V heat treat protocol a long time ago, their grinds are too fat, they continually lie to customers to get more pre-orders, and the owners have a very tenuous connection to reality.
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I don't condone buying from this company but the GSO-6 I had was slightly thinner ground at the edge than my equivalent CPKs (not a knock against the CPKs, as they're overall better knives).

It is a shame that they stopped the D3V protocol after the GSO-6 run, though.
 
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marrenmiller said:
I don't condone buying from this company but the GSO-6 I had was slightly thinner ground at the edge than my equivalent CPKs (not a knock against the CPKs, as they're overall better knives).

It is a shame that they stopped the D3V protocol after the GSO-6 run, though.
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I'm curious which knives are you comparing? Thinner at the edge and ground too fat are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

And yeah, dumping D3V was ultra stupid. I wonder the real story behind that.
 
craytab said:
I'm curious which knives are you comparing? Thinner at the edge and ground too fat are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

And yeah, dumping D3V was ultra stupid. I wonder the real story behind that.
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The GSO-6 compared to my UF2. They're pretty different knives, but the primary grind height and stock thickness was similar between the two models. The GSO-6 was under .020" along the entire edge, seemingly at 20 dps, and it seems to me that when Nate specifies his edge thickness for field knives they are usually a bit thicker than that.

I would bet they dumped the delta protocol to A) save money in processing, and B) offer DLC coatings that would otherwise blow the low temperature temper. I have no doubt that their current knives will offer less edge stability than my GSO-6 did.
 
marrenmiller said:
The GSO-6 compared to my UF2. They're pretty different knives, but the primary grind height and stock thickness was similar between the two models. The GSO-6 was under .020" along the entire edge, seemingly at 20 dps, and it seems to me that when Nate specifies his edge thickness for field knives they are usually a bit thicker than that.

I would bet they dumped the delta protocol to A) save money in processing, and B) offer DLC coatings that would otherwise blow the low temperature temper. I have no doubt that their current knives will offer less edge stability than my GSO-6 did.
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Yup, those knives are very different. And yes, I bet they dumped D3V for something dumb like money. They sold tons of knives based on D3V but are not delivering it though. Bait and switch.
The Knife Life said:
Here's why :
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Right, I want the real reason though, not all the trash talking and bs excuses.
 
craytab said:
Yup, those knives are very different. And yes, I bet they dumped D3V for something dumb like money. They sold tons of knives based on D3V but are not delivering it though. Bait and switch.

Right, I want the real reason though.
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But why doubt the reasons he gave? What makes you think there's got to be some other reason? They seemed like legitimate reasons as the previous poster stated which is also what Guy is saying. And he also did state extra manufacturing steps sometimes had to be taken which obviously costs money, so he's not trying to obscure that fact.

I admit I've only loosely followed this ongoing saga over the years, so maybe I'm ignorant of something, but the reasons Guy gave didn't seem suspicious or like there just had to be some other more controversial reason which he didn't state.
 
craytab said:
Yup, those knives are very different.
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I agree, they are quite different, but that's the closest knife I personally own from CPK. The GSO-6 is a world apart from my SDFK and DEK1, but it's closer in edge thickness to the DEK1.

As far as I can tell, the most comparable thing CPK makes to the GSO-6 is the Basic Field Knife, and per Nate's specs it's .030" at 20 dps, the same stock thickness, and seems to have a similar primary grind angle based on the bevel height. I don't think either knife would qualify as being thickly ground for its intended use, but I digress.
 
The Knife Life said:
But why doubt the reasons he gave? What makes you think there's got to be some other reason? They seemed like legitimate reasons as the previous poster stated which is also what Guy is saying. And he also did state extra manufacturing steps sometimes had to be taken which obviously costs money, so he's not trying to obscure that fact.

I admit I've only loosely followed this ongoing saga over the years, so maybe I'm ignorant of something, but the reasons Guy gave didn't seem suspicious or like there just had to be some other more controversial reason which he didn't state.
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Um, if you believe a word of what guy says, then you haven't been paying attention. He's a proven lying con-artists that runs a ponzi-scheme for a living. No doubt some of the things a says make sense and sound plausible. But at the end of the day, he low-key disses CPK (blaming others for his actions. which is hi MO) and uses a bunch of excuses to avoid just coming out and saying D3V is too expensive and complicated for him to keep doing. Remember also that he has already bait and switched thousands of people years before in selling them on D3V. Those people aren't getting what they payed for, assuming they ever get a knife at all.

marrenmiller said:
I agree, they are quite different, but that's the closest knife I personally own from CPK. The GSO-6 is a world apart from my SDFK and DEK1, but it's closer in edge thickness to the DEK1.

As far as I can tell, the most comparable thing CPK makes to the GSO-6 is the Basic Field Knife, and per Nate's specs it's .030" at 20 dps, the same stock thickness, and seems to have a similar primary grind angle based on the bevel height. I don't think either knife would qualify as being thickly ground for its intended use, but I digress.
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If the GSO6 has the 2/3rds saber grind they have listed on the website now, I'd say that the FK is still ground thinner, even if not thinner at the edge and with a similar thickness, because of how high the grind starts on the CPK. It is just a proportionally higher primary grind. I bet it would be pretty close though on the FK if we could actually break down the numbers.
 
The reasons given in that video for dumping the D3V protocol really don’t make sense.

His back handed compliments to Carothers Performance Knives are absurd.

That video does not explain anything in my opinion. He actually suggests his knives cut better than CPK blades?!

Survive Knives seems to be saying they dumped D3V protocol because their edges were not straight after heat treat? and he wants to Cerakote blades? That video was embarrassing for Survive Knives.
 
Elgatodeacero said:
Survive Knives seems to be saying they dumped D3V protocol because their edges were not straight after heat treat? and he wants to Cerakote blades? That video was embarrassing for Survive Knives.
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Which is hilarious since he used the "blades were warped" excuse after the heat treat after moving away from D3V.


The Knife Life said:
But why doubt the reasons he gave? What makes you think there's got to be some other reason? They seemed like legitimate reasons as the previous poster stated which is also what Guy is saying.
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You answered your own question.
The Knife Life said:
I admit I've only loosely followed this ongoing saga over the years, so maybe I'm ignorant of something,
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craytab said:
Me thinks it may not be the steel's fault....
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WHAT!? Are you implying that it's somehow the shyster's ... Er I mean the innocent and incredibly unlucky and much put upon scrappy entrepreneurs who that run the company's fault? You sir are a cynical bully and all around horrible human being. I have it on very good authority that they will have their books cleared by Christmas...oops New Years despite all the disasters that consistently plague them.
 
Survive! Knives- The only company on the planet that can't get a proper Heat Treatment. Time to bring the procedure "In House" so they can execute it to Guys unattainable standards.

They should sell or take pre-orders for a "Survive Knives! Magic Eight Ball" of excuses.

I checked something on their website and saw this: "With this new system we are planning to have all preorders fulfilled by the end of 2020".

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