Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

ncrockclimb said:
I have always appreciated all the post quoting S!K own incredibly damning numbers. However, I would not assume that their data is at all accurate. These dimwits cannot reliably fulfill orders or provide accurate lead times. I would not imagine that they have a good handle on their backlog.
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Yeah, maybe, but the numbers are at least consistent and the story adds up- like a contractor strapped for cash and making poor business decisions, they couldn’t fulfill orders in the boom 2015-2016 years. They had to wait for other checks to clear on new sales and “factory seconds” before they could build the knives they owed.

They took out interest free loans, maybe on purpose, but likely because Guy’s an idiot and doesn’t know how to deliver.

Unfathomable that from January 2022 to January 2023 they couldn’t close the gap on 2015. You’d think if they were going to fudge the numbers at least they’d make it look like the company was growing since 2015.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Yeah, maybe, but the numbers are at least consistent and the story adds up- like a contractor strapped for cash and making poor business decisions, they couldn’t fulfill orders in the boom 2015-2016 years. They had to wait for other checks to clear on new sales and “factory seconds” before they could build the knives they owed.

They took out interest free loans, maybe on purpose, but likely because Guy’s an idiot and doesn’t know how to deliver.

Unfathomable that from January 2022 to January 2023 they couldn’t close the gap on 2015. You’d think if they were going to fudge the numbers at least they’d make it look like the company was growing since 2015.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you assessment of what is happening at S!K. Financially, they are screwed. I believe that is an unsustainable business model. S!K continues to run the business on the cash from new orders. However, I don't believe that will ever achieve profitability. The are just incompetent at running a business.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Yeah, I totally agree with you assessment of what is happening at S!K. Financially, they are screwed. I believe that is an unsustainable business model. S!K continues to run the business on the cash from new orders. However, I don't believe that will ever achieve profitability. The are just incompetent at running a business.
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They’re very competent…











thieves.
 
70_kylin said:
Does the delta 3v version gso6 have performance issues?I was curious because guy said they didn't work well with the process🤨
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When someone exaggerates a bit, you may get cautionary advice to take that individuals statements with a grain of salt. When considering statements from convicted felon 'Guy', you should understand that the grain of salt becomes a truckload of winter grade road salt.

He has blamed every supplier he has purportedly dealt with for his Ponzi schemes shortcomings.
 
tokerblue said:
Carothers doesn't seem to have any issues with their Delta 3V. That should be telling enough.
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Wait wait wait…
You’re trying to tell me Survive isn’t able to achieve the same results as other reputable knife makers?
… 🤣

As an aside, reading the rhetoric on their website is fun- I’m interested to see how they can top “no but this time we’re actually almost done with 2015 orders”.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, if they actually prioritized back orders, they’d be done a long time ago.
 
70_kylin said:
Guy said they didn't work well with the process
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Consider the source. Guy aka SurviveKnives! has had 2 bad Heat Treats from reputable vendors and Kydex changed their formula- all in the last year. They've blamed ever one and everything in the manufacturing process at least once and most problems multiple times- Like getting sheaths made.
 
braillediver said:
Consider the source. Guy aka SurviveKnives! has had 2 bad Heat Treats from reputable vendors and Kydex changed their formula- all in the last year. They've blamed ever one and everything in the manufacturing process at least once and most problems multiple times- Like getting sheaths made.
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You know what I bet it is? Guy's exacting standards are so much better than the rest of the world's that he was able to sniff out that reputable companies are turning out lack-luster work.
Survive! Knives... what a freakin' treasure.
 
braillediver said:
Consider the source. Guy aka SurviveKnives! has had 2 bad Heat Treats from reputable vendors and Kydex changed their formula- all in the last year. They've blamed ever one and everything in the manufacturing process at least once and most problems multiple times- Like getting sheaths made.
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Yea, recently he complained about the decarbonization of magnacut
 
I forget where I have seen it and how exactly it is worded but it comes down to is that any one who constantly has problem but it is always someone elses fault is someone to be wary of trusting or trusting to complete the task by any reasonable measure if ever.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Yeah, maybe, but the numbers are at least consistent and the story adds up- like a contractor strapped for cash and making poor business decisions, they couldn’t fulfill orders in the boom 2015-2016 years. They had to wait for other checks to clear on new sales and “factory seconds” before they could build the knives they owed.

They took out interest free loans, maybe on purpose, but likely because Guy’s an idiot and doesn’t know how to deliver.

Unfathomable that from January 2022 to January 2023 they couldn’t close the gap on 2015. You’d think if they were going to fudge the numbers at least they’d make it look like the company was growing since 2015.
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That's not possible when Ellie had responded so many times over the years with this nonsense fluffery about "Only Guy is good enough at making knives* to make all our products, he works on and inspects every single one!" I'm sure she'd hate to have to give a conflicting story. 🤣



*Bolting parts made by people who actually make knives together
 
70_kylin said:
Does the delta 3v version gso6 have performance issues?I was curious because guy said they didn't work well with the process🤨
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Guy stopped offering Delta 3V as an option, because it's almost certainly more expensive to get heat-treated correctly, and he needs to put more of your payment into his bank account so they can continue to buy hot food, and pay their personal bills, while they wait for some other mark to place an order, so they can start putting money towards paying the companies who make their blades, scales, and sheathes.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Yeah, I totally agree with you assessment of what is happening at S!K. Financially, they are screwed. I believe that is an unsustainable business model. S!K continues to run the business on the cash from new orders. However, I don't believe that will ever achieve profitability. The are just incompetent at running a business.
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JohnWE said:
They’re very competent…

thieves.
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John is spot on here. They aren't trying to run a business or be profitable. These folks are con-artists. They were before this whole knife con thing and they will be after. They'll just move on to the next con. Their goal is literally just to Survive!, as in live day to day from running a con, whatever that may be. This current con is working perfectly, exemplified by the number of yahoos that continue to show up here and defend them despite all the evidence to the contrary. You've got a line of youbbob and insta-face influences propping up their product for free stuff and a few "credible" knife ad news sources doing the same. They are so deep in this con but don't be mistaken, if it collapses, they'll move on at the drop of a hat.

These thieves are not in the knife business, they are in the con-artists business, and at that they are very successful. All we can do is try to warn people but there are too many dumb folks who won't listen or don't care if they are out $300 bucks. Sucker born every minute and there are lots of them. Survive only needs a few to buy that week's groceries and make next months payment on whatever.
 
EngrSorenson said:
They took out interest free loans, maybe on purpose, but likely because Guy’s an idiot and doesn’t know how to deliver.
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There is a lot of speculation about their business finances, which I don't think is helpful. The fact is none of us really know we are just guessing.

They did take PPP loans totaling just under $18k and both were forgiven.

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