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Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame
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ncrockclimb
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This is Guy's response to a customer that wants a refund.
welderknifenut
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I was 50/50 on getting my GSO 12 that I ordered on Jan 2021. After following this thread for the last couple weeks. I only put my chances at 5 out of a 100 that Guy will be able to keep his house of cards from falling. The End is near in my opinion for Survive.
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The odds that Survive! would have that much bad luck are stupendously small.
It's the kydex's fault, it's the fault of the heat treat, it's the fault of the manufacturer, it's the fault of the employees... etc etc... we've heard it all.
Instead, consider the possibility which uses the least assumptions, I can think of three different ones.
1) S!K has unreasonably high quality standards (As Voltaire would say, perfect is the enemy of good)
2) S!K doesn't have the skill to make the knives they want
3) S!K doesn't have the knowledge to make the knives they want.
His back's against the wall. He has no other recourse than to jump up and down and blame everyone else for his financial troubles.
The crazy thing... and lets just let this sink in... is that it's obvious that Guy feels that this is his only recourse.
That's the last act of a desperate man.
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Forgot about that one. That was one of their first major impediments, wasn't it? Or was it the factory accidentally catching fire?
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You are SO WRONG. First it was too much demand. Then USPS losing a batch of knives. Then it was a bad partnership with someone in PA. Then the lack of people willing to work in PA, then the banks wouldn't loan them money, then the move to middle of nowhere ID, then the lack of people willing to work in middle of nowhere ID, then the fire, then the move to Boise, (there were issues with kydex and covid somewhere in there) THEN Millitt, then they were understaffed, then the move back to PA, then they were understaffed AGAIN, then issues with getting shop setup (including no access to internet), THEN the steel...
I probably forgot a few "issues."
That worthless scumbag Guy moved his "company" into Millitt's shop, and within a year, was already blaming them for multiple failures to deliver, when really, it was Guy who was failing to pay them.
As others have said, I sincerely do not know how some of these suppliers haven't had anyone come beat his ass for how much trash he talks about them and their companies, blaming them for everything. He isn't hard to find, after all.
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Just going to post this exchange btwn Guy and a poster up here before Guy deletes it. He is really letting it all hang out...
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Weird how guys like CRK ship 2,000+ knives a month to customers and either dont see these issues, or its so small it makes up less loss than employee mistakes.
Maybe you should ask those guys how they do it.
Oh thats right, your process and tolerances are so much better than a company with a 30+ year history of incredible quality.
Got it
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reply from Guy:
Oh Steve, maybe actually watch some of the informational content. I've seen some of your videos now, I believe you're just a guy who needs to be right to feel validated. I don't really have time for that.
Most places aren't even going to see what we're seeing, simply because their processes don't highlight it. Here is a link explaining:
Now, I don't mean to put anyone on blast but you're putting me on the spot, so here we go.
As far as excessive part warpage we're seeing, versus CRK. They use a local heat treating company, Aceco, whose equipment has a max quench rate of 5psi I believe? Maybe Ken over there can reconfirm if you need. In any case, it takes 7+ minutes. That slow quench minimizes distortion but as I've shown in a previous video, not all steels respond the best to that situation.
At Peters' they are performing a 5+BAR quench, which has parts under 200° in well under a minute. That is followed up by a double cryo and a triple temper. Any deficiencies in the material condition become immediately apparent. If you don't understand the difference between those two processes don't know what to tell you.
If you take the time to watch this next video on a large screen and pause a few times, you will see that Niagara Specialty Metals was still playing around with annealing temperatures, well after Crucible published handling data, not really sure where to land to get all of the Magnacut material strain out from processing.
There is leftover grain memory and stress in the sheets, so if that is not attended to before hardening, you're going to end up with very warped parts with a fast quench.
I've been to the CRK shop, they run a clean operation but with 45 or so employees and all those assets, in my opinion the output is pretty low. Per person, we deliver many more knives a month, if your numbers are accurate. The Millit crew came from CRK, they called themselves the Reevejects. My lead machinist worked with Chris for 10 years. Please stop using companies who have been established for 30+ years to try to throw salt in my eye.
We are doing a great job with these new materials, we've just had a lot of Millit stuff to mop up, which is getting done, and these Magnacut situations have been a real setback. We are working through it. If you have any other questions that are actually relevant, let me know.
Otherwise, I've already spent too much time responding to this. I need to get back to work. We have actually had a pretty good laugh in the shop at some of your videos. We have a new saying in here, "don't be a Steve". Also, nobody at Peters' even knows who the heck you are, so quit being so self important and lying for dramatic effect.
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Weird how guys like CRK ship 2,000+ knives a month to customers and either dont see these issues, or its so small it makes up less loss than employee mistakes.
Maybe you should ask those guys how they do it.
Oh thats right, your process and tolerances are so much better than a company with a 30+ year history of incredible quality.
Got it
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reply from Guy:
Oh Steve, maybe actually watch some of the informational content. I've seen some of your videos now, I believe you're just a guy who needs to be right to feel validated. I don't really have time for that.
Most places aren't even going to see what we're seeing, simply because their processes don't highlight it. Here is a link explaining:
Now, I don't mean to put anyone on blast but you're putting me on the spot, so here we go.
As far as excessive part warpage we're seeing, versus CRK. They use a local heat treating company, Aceco, whose equipment has a max quench rate of 5psi I believe? Maybe Ken over there can reconfirm if you need. In any case, it takes 7+ minutes. That slow quench minimizes distortion but as I've shown in a previous video, not all steels respond the best to that situation.
At Peters' they are performing a 5+BAR quench, which has parts under 200° in well under a minute. That is followed up by a double cryo and a triple temper. Any deficiencies in the material condition become immediately apparent. If you don't understand the difference between those two processes don't know what to tell you.
If you take the time to watch this next video on a large screen and pause a few times, you will see that Niagara Specialty Metals was still playing around with annealing temperatures, well after Crucible published handling data, not really sure where to land to get all of the Magnacut material strain out from processing.
There is leftover grain memory and stress in the sheets, so if that is not attended to before hardening, you're going to end up with very warped parts with a fast quench.
I've been to the CRK shop, they run a clean operation but with 45 or so employees and all those assets, in my opinion the output is pretty low. Per person, we deliver many more knives a month, if your numbers are accurate. The Millit crew came from CRK, they called themselves the Reevejects. My lead machinist worked with Chris for 10 years. Please stop using companies who have been established for 30+ years to try to throw salt in my eye.
We are doing a great job with these new materials, we've just had a lot of Millit stuff to mop up, which is getting done, and these Magnacut situations have been a real setback. We are working through it. If you have any other questions that are actually relevant, let me know.
Otherwise, I've already spent too much time responding to this. I need to get back to work. We have actually had a pretty good laugh in the shop at some of your videos. We have a new saying in here, "don't be a Steve". Also, nobody at Peters' even knows who the heck you are, so quit being so self important and lying for dramatic effect.
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I now sincerely believe there is a significant mental health issue on full display !
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It was really innocuous. He was encouraging Guy to keep up the good work.
I agree. Guy has always had difficulty being truthful but this latest behavior is a lot more unhinged. He is showing defects that are visible to the naked eye and claiming they are problems with the steel, yet there hundreds of thousands of uncoated blades out there made of the same steel and not only did the makers miss those defects but the customers did as well. If what Guy is saying was true there'd be hundreds of threads asking about problems from hundreds of makers.
Desperate times for Guy. If I owner a gun store near Gettysburg I would hire a night watchman.
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So, what's the deal with them having EDC 4 in stock? I've been adding them and removing them from cart for days now, without ever buying, just in case it bother's them to see them in carts without ever being purchased. It seems that they have more steel and scale options today than they did at the end of last week or beginning of this week.
I don't believe they have anything in stock ready to ship.
I don't believe they have anything in stock ready to ship.