Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Can confirm via my sources that Peters is still heat treating MagnaCut. So rumors to the contrary are unfounded.
 
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Just sharing some info from Peter's FAQ page that seems relevant to the discussion:

What do I need to know if I’m using Magnacut?​

All Magnacut should be prepped in accordance with best industry practice, i.e. surface ground – oversized. Due to the fine structure of this steel, any mill scale or oxidation remaining on the surface can impact the heat treat response negatively in the form of excessive distortion and/or potential decarburization at the surface. Peters’ Heat Treating will strive to do our best with any unprepared Magnacut but cannot guarantee the level of quality straightness that we hold to other blade steels. Peters’ Heat Treating has processed over 64,000 blades of Magnacut for over 100 different customers. Any questions, please call us at 814-347-8175.
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Antonymous said:
That’s all Guy did until supposedly 2 years ago when he started purchasing his own equipment. For the vast majority of survives existence, Guy was merely bolting parts together made by other manufactures. Survive fans even then were acting like his knives were something special when they’re literally just bolted together knife kits he sold. Now he supposedly is doing “more” of the manufacturing himself but we all see how many knives he’s actually delivering in the process. He doesn’t heat treat himself and his knives are stock removal, so I’m not sure why survive fans pretend his knives are special. I’ve owned (now sold) 2 and they’re no better finished than my white rivers. They weren’t even as comfortable in hand as the white rivers, either. White river also does their own heat treat I think. Guy’s knives aren’t special and they sure as hell aren’t worth the gamble and wait. He’s not worth giving money to, most of all. He doesn’t even use delta 3v anymore which was his claim to fame. He has many outstanding orders in delta 3v but no one will get them with that ht protocol
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No, no, he doesn't want to hear that. Those facts would mean that his knife that he said was as good or better than anything else on the market wasn't actually produced by Guy. But let's be honest, it's not like Guy's making anything these days either, the shop in his vids is the cleanest shop I've ever seen. Wonder why that is? Hmmmmmm.....
 
El_Bribon said:
CPM doesn't need anyone to carry their water for them, they're big boys.
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Then why are you here? Guy's a big boy, so by your logic, you don't need to be here shilling for him, right?

These ankle-biters, I tell you what. If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards. LOL
 
El_Bribon said:
ESEE Knives is not a knife maker?
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ESEE is a knife designer. They don't really manufacture anything.
Architect is also Rowan, I believe, and maybe the handles are made by The Knife Connection (maybe, I don't know for sure), but the hard part is done by Rowan.
When I buy an ESEE, I know I'm buying a Rowan product. ESEE was the brainchild, and ESEE did a lot of work to make sure they got what they wanted.
If you want credit for making a quality product, you need to make the quality product.
 
Antonymous said:
Oh, so you’ve resulted to putting words in my mouth in your quest to shill for survive. Nice. I didn’t say they’re not a knife maker because they essentially sell or sold pre assembled kit knives. I said I don’t get why people act like they’re so special. People don’t act like eseee is some grail knife of unmatched quality while making excuses for the inexcusable. At least esee actually delivers their knives and I’m pretty sure they even ship next day. Crazy. At least if you had a warranty claim with esee, you can feel assured you’ll get it fixed asap. Good luck trying to warranty anything with survive.
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You and I both know you were insinuating he isn't a legitimate knife maker. So whatever.
 
Blues said:
Can confirm via my sources that Peters is still heat treating MagnaCut. So rumors to the contrary are unfounded.
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Thanks E! I had a feeling that was BS. I appreciate you doing the leg work.
I hope your source is letting Peters know S!K is falsely advertising the contrary.

Ilikesharpstuff said:
Just sharing some info from Peter's FAQ page that seems relevant to the discussion:
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Wow... it's like Peters is a legitimate company who works hard to ensure customers get what they want!
Guy is 100% absolutely so full of shit.
Boo S!K. Down with S!K.
Time to close up shop.
 
Quiet said:
Man, imagine thinking unironically that people who paid for knives in D3V, 3V, or even MagnaCut would be excited or interested in his thoughts on ELMAX (LOL), dude is a super cereal genius. :rolleyes: 🤣
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In all seriousness, who can take Guy seriously anymore?
Everything he offers is the next best thing, which quickly gets replaced by the next best thing when the last best thing is no longer convenient.

... and no one has stopped to acknowledge that a 2015 GSO 12 made out of pot metal would be the best 2015 GSO 12 ever produced.
(Because there aren't any!)
 
El_Bribon said:
You and I both know you were insinuating he isn't a legitimate knife maker. So whatever.
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Guy is heading for a closure of his garbage little ponzi scheme company, and most likely a personal bankruptcy, so in my mind, he's absolutely not a legitimate anything. Well, he is a legitimate scumbug, but we all know that.
 
El_Bribon said:
By what you're saying if a company outsources any part of the manufacturing, design, and assembly they are not knife makers, just designers? Just trying to understand, that's all.
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I understand, and to clarify, there are things that knife makers don't generally do, because they require special tools or know-how.
Heat treating would be one of those things.
Or making the the raw materials to begin with. I wouldn't expect a knife maker to produce that in house.
I'd even accept sending out for water jet cutting blanks, if it's expedient and produces good results.

If I had a company and all I did was have a knife cross my desk and I stamped it with my logo, I didn't really make the knife, did I?

Survive couldn't even "make" a knife when all the components were handed to them and all they had to do was bolt them together.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Thanks E! I had a feeling that was BS. I appreciate you doing the leg work.
I hope your source is letting Peters know S!K is falsely advertising the contrary.
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You're welcome. I'm pretty sure that the appropriate folks are, and have been, in touch.
 
El_Bribon said:
By what you're saying if a company outsources any part of the manufacturing, design, and assembly they are not knife makers, just designers? Just trying to understand, that's all.
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You seem to be intentionaly missing the point. For years and years, Guy went on and on about how his relentless passion for quality meant that his work was slow, which was the explanation he gave* for why he'd never once in the entire history of his shabby little company kept to a stated deadline. So, you tell me. Bolting two scales to a blade blank that was:

- Cut by someone else
- Heat-treated by someone else

Can you explain then where all the time is going? Where in the process of putting together parts made by others is he injecting all this quality? Sharpening? I mean, virtually every other knife company out there seems to have zero issue sharpening hundreds of knives a day and sending out tens of thousands of knives a year. Why can't Guy do that? It's almost like it's been an excuse this entire time, and he was just using the income from all his preorders to pay his personal bills, go on vacations, and put food on his table instead of ordering the materials, and having the parts made so he could bolt them together and send 'em out.

I mean, do you even realize how dumb and lazy Guy and Ellie are? All he had to do, ALL he had to do was use the money to order those parts to be made, get 'em in, bolt 'em all together, belt-sand all the rough edges off, sharpen the knife, and ship it out! Once upon a time, people actually wanted his knives!!!! He had a license to print money at a workload level a lot less than what actual custom makers endure, and he pissed it all away because he took one look at that bank account after that first big prorder, and realized he could buy Ellie (or himself) a new car, or finance a two week Disney vacation with all the trimmings, or buy real estate......and then instead of that little voice saying "Nah, those are intrusive thoughts. Let me call my blade maker and get that order going for these knives!", he actually went and did those things instead. Then, people started asking where their knives were at, so he took a look at a shop full of empty tables, panicked, and immediately doodled up a new design and then immediately opened a preorder for that so he could get another huge infusion of dopaminecash, so he could make the previously ordered knives. It went downhill from there. Again, as has already been said, we invite you to go read through their old sub. These same excuses were being vomited up by Ellie over a decade ago!! Dude has been pulling this same gig for over a decade, and covering it up by only using social media they can control and delete negative comments on!!



* up until a few years ago when he started going on his worldwide crying game tour where it became the fault of all of his suppliers, instead of his "relentless pursuit of perfection". :rolleyes:
 
EngrSorenson said:
I understand, and to clarify, there are things that knife makers don't generally do, because they require special tools or know-how.
Heat treating would be one of those things.
Or making the the raw materials to begin with. I wouldn't expect a knife maker to produce that in house.
I'd even accept sending out for water jet cutting blanks, if it's expedient and produces good results.

If I had a company and all I did was have a knife cross my desk and I stamped it with my logo, I didn't really make the knife, did I?

Survive couldn't even "make" a knife when all the components were handed to them and all they had to do was bolt them together.
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Accurate.

For the record, this is the same issue I have with all of these new Insta-Famous brands that have cropped up where they come up with designs and then ship that napkin drawing over to We/Reate/BestTech with the direction to turn it into a functioning knife. These dudes don't make anything.
 
Quiet said:
No, no, he doesn't want to hear that. Those facts would mean that his knife that he said was as good or better than anything else on the market wasn't actually produced by Guy. But let's be honest, it's not like Guy's making anything these days either, the shop in his vids is the cleanest shop I've ever seen. Wonder why that is? Hmmmmmm.....
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Well, how dirty should we expect a shop to get when all they make in it is @#$&*% videos.
 
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