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Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame
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Not really. You could have just let it be and said nothing. If it's that foolish it will stand in its own. But you didn't.
Your whole post is full of wouldas, couldas, and if's that are arguably as ridiculous as what you're critiquing yet going in a certain direction.
I noticed you completely ignored both the initial post with a real critique of the video and my request for your opinion on it.
Again, any thoughts?
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This is a losing battle here. People are mad… and nothing except orders getting completed and shipped is going to make anyone less mad. Know what makes them more mad? Trying to argue that people here look “ridiculous” for mocking the PR stunts while they’re still angry.
Ever try to tell an angry person to “calm down” without solving the problem? How effective was it?
I get why he defends them. He ordered a knife and got it in 6-8 months, IIRC. I was in his shoes at one point. People were saying Guy was a crook, but I ordered a couple of knives, and got them almost as quickly as a Busse. Even though I paid up front for them, it seemed reasonable. Then I waited just under 5 years for a 7/7. And just over 5 years for a 6, that had been changed in design after I ordered it, and I didn’t know it until I got it. Those knives were NOT supposed to take that long.
Now I’m still waiting for a 5.1, which I now see has had the handle scaled up as well, so isn’t what I ordered. It was supposed to be Delta 3V, but isn’t going to be anymore. Which isn’t what I ordered. I ordered it with the knowledge that it was going to be a while because they were planning on getting 8’s and 12’s done before they started the 5.1. Still, 6 years? Really?!
So yeah, I can understand why he’s defending them. But I’d like to believe he’s just ignorant, and not a shill.
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I get that reasoning.
But at what point does one lose the ground to claim ignorance of a subject?
He knows the history and that people still do not have their purchased knives 6 years later.
He also chose to defend them against the subjective critiques regarding the posted video and completely ignored (twice) your quite objective criticism of the video.
Ignorance is no longer a factor.
Seem's to me that abjectnuisance's character arc has gone like this: troll->ignorance->shill-> and now back to troll. That's all he is.
An update to this post, Survive updated their web site to indicate my buddy's knife would ship in December:
Anyone want to guess at whether these idiots were capable of doing that?
Hey, don't rule out time travel! As a means to avoid "making" 6 year old paid orders, Guy and team have gone to great lengths to build the worlds first time machine. Unfortunately, they now have to still complete those orders so they can deliver them in the past.
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If I order one now, can I gift it to my 4 year old nephew as a high school graduation present?
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100%. Blaming Milet (or others) seems to make up 50% of their videos. It's terrible to listen to.
I think there are plenty of good reasons to be angry with Survive! and be critical of anything that comes out of their mouth. Plenty of reasons no one here should buy from them or give them a 2nd chance.
What I have been saying is that it appears they have been shipping orders out more regularly, which is aimed solely at people waiting on orders. Not people looking to make new orders. In one of their videos they state they have shipped more knives this year than the last 5 or 6 years combined. I actually believe it, and that's good news for people waiting on knives. It also highlights how terrible the last 5 or 6 years were.
I missed that. It's been a while since I worked a floor in a factory but I'll give it a shot.
Noise- Yes it's pretty dumb to try and make a YouTube video with noise in the background.
The machines do look pristine that's a valid point. It could have something to do with them being brand new. However, the new machines are the reason for their increased output allegedly- so they should have some signs of wear right? In the video we're just seeing the outside surface areas of the new machines. Should they have scratches or dents?
As for the wrench and hammer, they don't look beat up and old, that's for sure. How often do you think they need to use an adjustable wrench and hammer in the shop on machines costing tens of thousands of dollars? Do you think Guy is qualified to fix machines with an adjustable wrench? I'm not a knifemaker, how would you use the hammer in the video to make a knife? I'm willing to bet if something goes wrong with the machine the company sends out a repair team (I bet they have their own tools too).
Next the post criticizes Guy's apron and Shane wearing "nice" clothes. He's certainly not wearing business smart attire. Here's a video where Shane is wearing a T-shirt.
They showed a grand total of 2 knives. Sure, here's a video with 75 or so more.
Passing judgment on the handle without even touching in person, okay. I personally like the GSO-6 handles, YMMV.
I agree, people are justifiably mad. Hearing anything that isn't absolute hate for Survive! isn't going to sit well.
Shipping orders out isn't going to make people here less mad though.
In this case I think the people still waiting on knives who aren't content to wait any longer should get lawyers involved or show up at Survive's shop in person and have a face-to-face conversation.
You’re right, of course. WTH was I thinking?!
I’m guessing you already forgot I have held that handle, on a GSO-6, and thought it sucked. And have it to my daughter. Who liked the knife, even though the handle is stupidly oversized for her hand. But it works well enough for her. Hands are wonderful things. No matter how bad the handle design is, human hands can make it work.
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You're right. I'm wrong and I apologize. I incorrectly thought the 6 and 5.1 were different-sized knives with different handles. I just checked mine out again and after more consideration, the handle is a little larger than I like.
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They haven't appeared to put many knives out over the last half-decade. When I look at the pictures and videos they're posting along with what appears to be people finally getting knives sent to them it makes me think they've figured out a way to start getting knives out. Given their past production and where it appears they're at now, I believe them when they say they've produced more knives in the last year than 5-6 previously. Tokerblue brought up a great point that it may be a low bar to set, yup. It also begs the question what's been going on at the shop for those 5-6 years.
On a personal level I'm glad because I like their knives and I'm hopeful it means they've turned things around and will produce knives faster.
On a community level I'm hopefull people still waiting on their knives will finally get something in hand to either enjoy or sell.
If this were my first exposure to Survive I would probably have the same read, but it isn't so I don't. They (mostly Guy and Ellie) have done this sort of thing multiple times over multiple years: claimed fundamental problems with their business were solved and accompanied that by photos of knives and claims that orders were going out faster than ever.
I'm skeptical, but even it it is true "faster than ever" is a relative term and it really only matters relative to the demand they are accepting and the lead times promised to those customers. Clearly Survive has not done a single thing to correct that and get them on the path to being honest about when a given customer will get the knife he ordered. With that sort of performance there is no evidence that the promises they are currently making will be kept either. In the example I've posted with the TSK my friend has on order with them, they have revised the ship date 5 times now with the most recent miss having something to do with not being able to fix handles they have on hand to the blades they have on hand in the space of 2 months. Is it possible that someone who has been making knives as long as Guy has is really that bad at projecting pace? Or is it more likely intentionally misleading?
They are 2.5 years late delivering that knife yet they still claim it will be finished "more quickly". How delayed is everything else then?
If you look at threads from their old forum here, like The New Survive, or Hale Storm's disappointment thread, or ncrockclimb's concerns, you should find exactly the same sort of issues being described, exactly the same sort of excuse making (directly from Survive in these cases), the same apologists among their fan base. It all inspired the same hopefulness that maybe they really would get things straightened out. But they never did because they aren't capable of doing that. The pattern repeated over and over and continues today. Spark didn't accidentally close their forum here, they earned it.
Just to be clear: I have no issue with their knives. I own several, most bought on the secondary market. All are what they were advertised as so it doesn't seem their deceptive tendencies extend there. I don't particularly care what they do with their social media or what sort of clothes they wear when doing it because I don't really care for most social media in the first place. I do care about there being bad apples in the knife industry. Survive and Guy and Ellie have clearly demonstrated that they are bad apples and I would like as many prospective knife buyers to be aware of that as possible.
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Ok, so which is it? You keep saying things like the above bolded, and then come in here and make defensive statements (like the rest of this very post). So, if they're worthy of ridicule*, why are you here attempting to ridicule people who are doing so? You can deflect, and obfuscate all you want but the actual facts are, a super clean shop with clearly unused machinery is a pretty good sign that things aren't being made there. Soooooo.....? I feel like you came in here trying to play Devil's Advocate from the beginning, but you lost the plot somewhere. These people are scumbags, and they've had a ponzi scheme going for years, you've admitted that you understand this in this very thread.
So, why are you defending these scumbags?
*and they damn sure are.
And now you've flopped back to "I agree, Survive?Knives is bad!" mode. Got it.
One thing I want to mention. What even is this comment from you (above bold)? The insinuation that
dogboye
is somehow in the wrong for wanting what he ordered, and not something else? What? Listen, if I order something, and I receive something else, it's on the provider of that good or service to give me what I ordered (and what was agreed on), NOT on me to "at least give this other thing a try". That's the sort of logic that a shill in here defending Guy's little trash shop would use. I don't need to eat a dog-crap sandwich to know that I'm not going to like it. "You won't even try it? Wow, ok then, I guess." GFTOH with that.
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