Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

[craytab]

Frankly, if I had not witnessed the level of idiocy it takes to know a company is a shady shit show that may or may not send you the knife you pay for 5 years after you paid for it, and still give them your money, I would not believe it.

I find it disrespectful as hell. From survive, to spit on their customers by taking their money and then refusing to give them the knife they paid for, while selling knives to other people . Down right disrespectful and criminal if you ask me.


The level of stupidity it takes to hear 1st hand testimony/experience of that and still give survive your money anyway?!?
I mean, at that point why would you support that company? Is the knife so amazing you don't give a cluck who the company screws over? I think we've both seen through the years that, people give no clucks unless they are the ones getting shafted.

Wow. Just wow. I hope this dude gets shafted for 5 years. Hard. Maybe then he'll give a cluck.

Shill? Troll? Idiot? Combo platter?

Doesn't really matter so long as a search of Survive! Knives produces results like this thread. I mean, have you read their BBB profile? Yucky at best.

 

[shinyedges]

Shill? Troll? Idiot? Combo platter?

Doesn't really matter so long as a search of Survive! Knives produces results like this thread. I mean, have you read their BBB profile? Yucky at best.

I'll choose D, all of the above, final answer.

I have not looked at their bbb profile, I'll have a looksy!

Also, after they got booted from bladeforums I thought that was the end of them. I forgot all about them except in a passing thought of humor and disgust when I heard the word survive used in other contexts.

Bummer they just won't go down. Like a floater after a flush, they "survive" lol

 

[sixplymaple]

Yeah lol. Survive, as in, like a cockroach during nuclear winter.

 

[dogboye]

Look, a screwdriver at 1:33 that looks used. They probably stole it from a neighboring shop and placed it there to look used. And look at his t-shirt, obviously, he beats his wife. And it says NASA, someone alert Stolen Valor. He probably tells people he worked with Mark Rober.

Well.... at least they do show a few knife parts that they are busily getting assembled. Wonder if they ever got that rod broken down into bow-drill divots. That seems like that should take them a few more years.
You can also hear what sounds like some machinery being used in the background.... although, for all I know, it could be a soundtrack.

But that was back in September. They had 5.1s in hand. Heat treated. Just needed final surfacing? And sharpening? OH, yeah... sheaths. Crap.... that'll take another 6 months.... at least.

 

[TakaBKK]

Am I flogging a dead horse? I thought they had their backlog under control and everyone waiting got their knives by now - judging by their YouTube videos.

History: I bought a 5.1 and 3.5 (both in 20cv). Might have been 2012 for the 5.1 and 2013 for the 3.5. Super fast delivery and even a last-minute change on my side from coyote to black kydex.

Still my favorite knives of all time.

 

[braillediver]

Am I flogging a dead horse? Might have been 2012 \ Super fast delivery

Your flogging something. 2012 was 10 years ago and has no bearing on the performance of Survive! Knives in the decade that's passed since then.

Sort of like praising Blackberry today for their performance based on your experience with them in 2012 even though they no longer exist today.

 

[Sagemode]

I can say this to the Troll. If you change the design and steel of the knife you paid for up front then no you did not get your knife that you ordered and you should eat crow.
Let me put it like this so you can grasp the situation. If I order a Randall Knife and wait six years to get it and Randall had a guy in China make the blanks and the knife you ordered was suppose to be Delta 3V but it isn't and it doesn't have the same size and materials you ordered would you be angry. I mean that would tell me it wasn't even a real Randall Knife that it just has his name on it. I pay for Dozier knives that are made by other companies with his graces but I don't pay Dozier prices.

I ordered a 5.1 in May of 2016 and was told I was going to have it in a few weeks then after I checked in again it was a few months. . I was told to cancel my order since the missed deadline because the fanbags said it was my fault I didn't ask for a refund. I didn't ask for a refund but they sent it to me anyways to shut me up.

There isn't a massive fulfillment of orders in any models. The vast majority of them get cancelled because of LIES and Survive knows they are not going to get sent in a few months, Christmas, or any other date.

Can you explain to me where the SK models that were suppose to reduce demand and get the GSO orders fulfilled faster are? Did anyone get those knives they ordered?
Did anyone get the Essentials Model of knives that were upgraded to the GSO models?
Did anyone get the CPM 154 steel or CPM 20CV steel knives where they came out and said they had the steel for them to be made.

Your beloved company is lying on purpose to defraud. The reason to get funds don't matter to me as that is what Con-men do to get your money. The company is no different than other scammers who tell a lie to separate victims from their money.

I will give you some slack about all the machines but if you think a machining company to be that clean and everything in neat labeled boxes all the time your living in a delusional state. 3 workers that claim to work 16 hours a day to get knives out don't have time to keep things that tidy.

Answer me this: If you are in control of every aspect of manufacturing just who is it that is telling you misleading dates on manufacturing times? Guy stated that he didn't lie about knives being done in X amount of time because someone told him it would be done by a date. Who is in charge of telling him completion dates and why are they off by years?

I told you that the GSO 5.1 would not be made by Christmas of 2021 and I was right. Can you tell me why a few got their GSO 5.1 in Magnacut before others that have been waiting since 2015-16 in 3V?

Why are new models coming out when they have a list of undone knives?
Just when is the done in a few months really going to be done?


Prediction the GSO 5.1 knives in Magnacut will not get made till the steel prices of those blades drop and will that will take years.
Will Survive be around after 10 years of backlogs and why should I put faith in their knife comany.
It is my opinion that they are up to the same things and hoping more victims fall for their lies.

News Nugget " Survive Knives is not worth 6 years of waiting and it is not as valuable as a Randall Custom Knife. " At least Randall tells you it might take 6 years and not a few months.

 

[jbmonkey]

I still don't see myself defending Survive! For the sake of argument let's say I am defending them and just don't see it.

I don't have to agree with something or someone to find a manner of criticism wrong or unfounded. "But their shop is clean". They have other older videos of stuff all over their shop. I'm not sold on the evidence that a clean-looking machine is proof they're lying and the machines are leased with the intent of just tricking people into buying more knives.

Look, a screwdriver at 1:33 that looks used. They probably stole it from a neighboring shop and placed it there to look used. And look at his t-shirt, obviously, he beats his wife. And it says NASA, someone alert Stolen Valor. He probably tells people he worked with Mark Rober.

I agree with all the criticism about their past and previous excuses and failed delivery dates. Trying to pick apart what he's wearing is goofy.
They bought (or rented or leased or stole or 3D printed) new shop equipment that is still in good looking condition on the outside. Sorry, not a smoking gun for me.


And I'm curious what secret location they're making them now. Maybe we'll never know.


Thanks for the candid response. Okay maybe they are having knives made in a secret location by slave labor for peanuts and those knives are getting secretly shipped to Survive! and they, in turn, are finally appearing to ship knives that people have been waiting on for years (unless Guy made fake social media accounts years ago for this very moment, which is possible too).


So that said, no one should buy their knives and should continue to criticize everything they do. If those knives (probably from China) do end up shipping then put them up on Ebay or Bladeforums and get your money back.

ill help you see what ya can't.

everyone else here sees you defending survive in this thread. like a shill or troublemaker would.

cant make it any easier or clearer than that.

 

[AbjectTestament]

I can say this to the Troll.

Are you referring to me?

 

[AbjectTestament]

ill help you see what ya can't.

everyone else here sees you defending survive in this thread. like a shill or troublemaker would.

cant make it any easier or clearer than that.

Argumentum ad Populum.

 

[dogboye]

I told you that the GSO 5.1 would not be made by Christmas of 2021 and I was right. Can you tell me why a few got their GSO 5.1 in Magnacut before others that have been waiting since 2015-16 in 3V?

Wait, whut?! People have gotten Magnacut knives that were just announced last year? In 5.1?! And I'm still waiting?! WTAF?!

Why are new models coming out when they have a list of undone knives?

This is a DA** good question!

News Nugget " Survive Knives is not worth 6 years of waiting and it is not as valuable as a Randall Custom Knife. " At least Randall tells you it might take 6 years and not a few months.

Absolutely correct. They have never made a knife that was worth 6 years of waiting. And right now, based on what I've seen (they f-ed up their handles, sh**canned D3V), they aren't even making knives that are worth 6 MONTHS of waiting.
The only question is, are they making knives that are worth me waiting maybe just a couple more months for? That is an important question for me.... and I'm really starting to lean toward, "No!"

 

[AbjectTestament]

The only question is, are they making knives that are worth me waiting maybe just a couple more months for? That is an important question for me.... and I'm really starting to lean toward, "No!"

So what are you (and others in the same boat) doing about it? Anything? Or are you just going to keep waiting?

Is it possible people who let companies continue to take advantage of them are actually empowering them to continue their behavior? When did you order your knife?

 

[Insipid Moniker]

So what are you (and others in the same boat) doing about it? Anything? Or are you just going to keep waiting?

Is it possible people who let companies continue to take advantage of them are actually empowering them to continue their behavior? When did you order your knife?

Man, crazy how that behavior is, according to you, enabling them, but coming into this thread to tell everyone how you think they're turning it around and that they're putting out more knives than ever and potentially sending a group order their way is just hunky dory.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Man, crazy how that behavior is, according to you, enabling them

And do you agree or disagree with that statement?

 

[Insipid Moniker]

And do you agree or disagree with that statement?

Actually, I don't think it is at all. Demanding that they fulfill their original obligations is absolutely not enabling their ponzi scheme, putting new money in is explicitly what does that.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Actually, I don't think it is at all. Demanding that they fulfill their original obligations is absolutely not enabling their ponzi scheme, putting new money in is explicitly what does that.

Demanding? How? Angry posts on Bladeforums?

Let's say you paid $300 for a knife. It's 6 years overdue and all you've done is sit and wait for it. How is that holding them accountable? You basically gave them an interest-free loan. Think that pressures them to get their ass in gear and knives out the door?

If you start calling them every day and asking where your knife is, threaten to get a lawyer involved (and be ready to make good on the threat), show up at their business and ask for your money, one of two things will happen:

1. They'll give you a refund to shut you up.
2. They'll make your knife and ship it to you to shut you up.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Demanding? How? Angry posts on Bladeforums?

Let's say you paid $300 for a knife. It's 6 years overdue and all you've done is sit and wait for it. How is that holding them accountable? You basically gave them an interest-free loan. Think that pressures them to get their ass in gear and knives out the door?

If you start calling them every day and asking where your knife is, threaten to get a lawyer involved (and be ready to make good on the threat), show up at their business and ask for your money, one of two things will happen:

1. They'll give you a refund to shut you up.
2. They'll make your knife and ship it to you to shut you up.

Hmmm, maybe if you could somehow manage to make a deeply negative thread about their business practices one of the top search engine results for their company name it would apply similar pressure.

But then some worthless pissant might come into the thread and tell everyone there how the company is doing much better now, they swear, and talk about how THEY got THEIR knife in a reasonable amount of time, so they're thinking about putting together a group order for their coworkers and does Survive really deserve all this criticism, it seems like they just can't win with you people!

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Demanding? How? Angry posts on Bladeforums?

Let's say you paid $300 for a knife. It's 6 years overdue and all you've done is sit and wait for it. How is that holding them accountable? You basically gave them an interest-free loan. Think that pressures them to get their ass in gear and knives out the door?

If you start calling them every day and asking where your knife is, threaten to get a lawyer involved (and be ready to make good on the threat), show up at their business and ask for your money, one of two things will happen:

1. They'll give you a refund to shut you up.
2. They'll make your knife and ship it to you to shut you up.

Oh, also, you're STILL trying to let Survive off the hook by making it the responsibility of the consumer to spend time, energy and money to hound them, rather than accepting that it's purely Survive's responsibility to simply deliver the product that they were paid for and promised.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Hmmm, maybe if you could somehow manage to make a deeply negative thread about their business practices one of the top search engine results for their company name it would apply similar pressure.

Define top search engine results. I did a search on Google and it came on page #4, halfway down the page.

"Survive knives forum should be closed"

But then some worthless pissant might come into the thread and tell everyone there how the company is doing much better now, they swear, and talk about how THEY got THEIR knife in a reasonable amount of time, so they're thinking about putting together a group order for their coworkers and does Survive really deserve all this criticism, it seems like they just can't win with you people!

Always lead with an ad hominin attack when the position you're debating from is weak. I suppose it's as good a tactic as any when all you have is strawmen and deflection though.

My point stands. People who don't fight a company that has kept their money and promised product for 6 years are enabling them. Enjoy your tough-to-swallow pills.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Define top search engine results. I did a search on Google and it came on page #4, halfway down the page.

"Survive knives forum should be closed"


Always lead with an ad hominin attack when the position you're debating from is weak. I suppose it's as good a tactic as any when all you have is strawmen and deflection though.

My point stands. People who don't fight a company that has kept their money and promised product for 6 years are enabling them. Enjoy your tough-to-swallow pills.

Ad hominem is a tactic in which I dismiss your argument based on a personal attack, what I did was simply an insult to a hypothetical poster. I not shocked that you're so unfamiliar with the fallacy that you can't spell it.

Meanwhile, bringing up accusations of strawmen and deflection without any logic or evidence to back either up does, actually, come fairly close to an ad hominem argument.

My search the thread pops up as the sixth entry halfway down the first page of Google.

So in short, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to logical fallacies, you indulge in them yourself, and you're still trying to blame others for the clear failings of Survive.