Tell me again why we need a knife??

RunningBoar, think whatever you want. thats your freedom to do so. Just like its my freedom to carry whatever blade choice i want into the woods and use them how i want. :):):cool:

I never questioned that in the least, feel free to link a post where I did. Chris
 
If it weren't needed in day to day survival, why did early man start using sharp shards to cut with and why did the knife continue to progress to what we have today? If it isn't needed, why did it become a reality in our lives in the first place?
 
If it weren't needed in day to day survival, why did early man start using sharp shards to cut with and why did the knife continue to progress to what we have today? If it isn't needed, why did it become a reality in our lives in the first place?

Longbow,
It is very much needed to the point of being essential, it however is not always the linchpin between you and visiting with your deceased relatives. Chris
 
I think what Runningboar is saying is that we could get by with a smaller blade than we think, just by using our heads, which in most cases is true.
For years I mowed my garden with a little rotary push mower and I got by but it was a lot less effort when I upgraded to a larger electric mower !!!
 
...It would have been next to impossible to clean the game without a knife...

Not really. I've cleaned deer, small game, birds and fish without a knife. It can be done quite easily if you give it some thought. Of course it is easier with a knife. A lot of tasks are.

For me, given the choice, I'd leave the cell phone behind and take the knife. Any knife. But that is just me. I am deaf/HOH. :p
 
I think what Runningboar is saying is that we could get by with a smaller blade than we think, just by using our heads, which in most cases is true.
For years I mowed my garden with a little rotary push mower and I got by but it was a lot less effort when I upgraded to a larger electric mower !!!

I haven't said anything at all about the size of any knife, I get the distinct feeling that people think that if they have the latest and greatest, most expensive gear they have some sort of talisman. All I have said is that knowing how to use what you choose might be more important than the quality. Chris
 
I love knives and carry them everywhere and in every kit and would not think of leaving home without one, but ridiculing people for not agreeing with my choice of knife is arrogant and elitest. Chris

I completely agree and do dislike the arrogant attitudes. Sure I can afford a Busse and even own a couple but the value and performance of the $10 Mora is not lost on me and one I often recommend. When I posted a thread about my essentials, all I listed were categories and one was labeled "knife/tool"; specifically for the reason that everybody will have differing views, but the bottom line was have something, even a $1.00 razor blade is better than nothing...again, I'm saying for me, a knife/tool is part of my essentials.

Good post BTW,

ROCK6
 
I haven't said anything at all about the size of any knife, I get the distinct feeling that people think that if they have the latest and greatest, most expensive gear they have some sort of talisman. All I have said is that knowing how to use what you choose might be more important than the quality. Chris


I've never had any complaints about my slicin action so I guess I'm off the hook !!!:D:thumbup:
 
I have read through but just a fraction of this thread and laughed my a$s off through some of the replies you have got thus far..

I think your list pretty much speaks to where this thread was intended to go.. So I won't comment on the genius of that..

What I will say is, if'n you find yourself in a real life survival situation(not one you prepared for) and don't have a knife on your person, you will be hunting for one or making one from some found material PDQ and that my boy, is one cold hard fact!.
 
I haven't said anything at all about the size of any knife, I get the distinct feeling that people think that if they have the latest and greatest, most expensive gear they have some sort of talisman. All I have said is that knowing how to use what you choose might be more important than the quality. Chris


I personally dont feel that my kit is the "be all end all" magic juju that will get me thru any situation. I could get by without any of the stuff i carry, and use knowledge , but i would rather use my kit, because it makes my day easier.
 
Any thread that makes us think about survival priorities is a good thing.

As many have said, or implied, the "most important" skill/gear depends on the situation.

In a frog-stranglin' 38F rain, the "most important" tool might be a poncho -- or plastic trash bag. Those tools might be better, in that situation, than a knife/matches/fire steel/tinder to meet the priority of keeping 98.6.

If your boat just sank, a flare to signal that boat 1/2 mile away probably trumps a knife - or a poncho. If the boat is out of sight, the poncho moves up 'cause it can be used to create a flotation device. If a shark shows up . . . .

It all depends.
 
Well, let's get some things cleared up first. What is a survival situation? Well, what does the word survival mean? At least for me it does not mean surviving getting a wee bit lost for a couple of hours and being late for dinner. For me, it means surviving an immediately life threatening situation, which getting a bit lost most certainly isn't. "Real life"? What is that? People in "real life" can find it horribly shocking that they're so lost they have to backtrack a couple of hours and arrive where they intended to arrive only tomorrow morning instead of tonight. Oh the horror. Other people in "real life" can find the previous about as exciting as going to the kitchen for a beer, and would never call that a survival situation.

As I've said numerous times before, and will say again, even though it is painfully obvious to anyone who knows anything, in most situations of any kind (survival or otherwise) a knife is not necessary, or even "needed." Very often a knife would be useful, however. So, yes, I agree with Runningboar that a knife is most often not needed. On the other hand, I typically carry one, because even though it is not needed it is very much useful - convenient. And, because there are those few situations where it is quite necessary, and if I get really unlucky...

I find the list Runningboar presents in his first post, though, a little weird, considering the entire thread was, it seems, started to make the point of knives not being necessary. I mean, if you're going to state that something isn't necessary, one of the worst ways to make your point is to then list items that are just as unnecessary and say that they are somehow preferable and/or more necessary. :D I mean, look at it, honestly, from the perspective of an experienced 'woodsman':


1. A detailed plan, with coordinates if possible, and a time schedule, and how long before help is called left with a dependable person before you leave.

This is, arguably, the most unnecessary thing of them all (but this is not to say it isn't very useful, because it in fact can be very useful)! Half the fun of going out into the wild for a whole lot of folks is in not having a schedule or coordinates, or indeed having people know where you are and when you're coming back. And besides, not everyone has dependable persons ready to keep an eye on you. People have survived without detailed plans and schedules for thousands of years.


2. A cell phone

Another completely unnecessary item, that won't even work in a whole lot of places. Yes, it's useful for emergency communications, but people did manage to survive in the time when these toys did not exist. And still do survive without them, by the way. So, useful yes, necessary no.

3. A map and compass and know how to use it

Unnecessary. If you know your way around the wild, you won't need to carry a map with you (although you will need to look at it at some point before setting out, to actually know what's out there and what to use for navigation, unless you're going to be all exploring), and a compass is just extra weight. Yes, a map and a compass are very useful, and when moving around in a region that I have no experience from, I will make a point of having them with me always. But necessary? No. As for the know how to use maps and compasses, well, know how isn't an item, so it really is not comparable to a knife in my view.

4.The best clothes and shoes/boots you can afford with extra layers in a daypack

More unnecessary stuff, although very useful and highly recommended for obvious reasons.

5. The ability to make fire now

Intensely unnecessary in a lot of warm regions, and in some desolate ones where there literally is nothing to burn except yourself or any gasses and liquids you may bring along with you. :D A lot of very experienced woodsmen never carry any extra items for making a fire, nor even intend to make fires at any point. Of course, having the ability to make a fire is certainly useful. It doesn't necessarily require bringing along any items for that purpose, though. If it's simply a skill in primitive firemaking we're speaking of, then it's not an item and cannot be compared to a knife - because you always bring your skills with you, and they don't weigh extra, so you don't have to make choices between bringing the skill of firemaking or bringing the item of a knife.

6. Water and/or a way to purify it

Depending on how long you intend to be out, you can't bring enough water, and depending on where you are, there's no need to purify it chemically, so... yeah, unnecessary, although very useful.

7. Something to use for overhead cover, a siltarp, space balnket, poncho or the like

More unnecessary and relatively heavy stuff. Useful, though, if you feel like carrying it.

8. A signalling device, at the least a whistle, better yet a PLB, flaregun with flares, or a can of orange smoke

So unnecessary it hurts, and will be useful only if things get really crappy - and you shouldn't let them get that way. Sure, can be life savers in certain situations, but then again, so can a lot of other things.

9. A few power bars or the like

Well, if this isn't unnecessary, then I don't know what is. If you like the taste, though...

10. The ability to stay calm and think, mental preparedness

The only thing on the list even approaching being a necessity, and of course, it's not an item, but rather a mental ability, which you can always bring along even if you're hauling the entire Big He-Man Choppers production line with you. (That all, however, isn't to say that I have any problem with your priorities - they're your priorities, and you can make 'em as you please, that's the beauty of things. You're also likely the person who best knows where you will be going and what you'll be doing there, so you're the best person to set those priorities in an educated fashion.)

So... yeah. A lot of things are unnecessary. Actually, I would say that in most situations everything except one suit of decent clothes is unnecessary. Bring your brains and your hands and feet, and something to wear, and most situations are survivable and the situations that absolutely require you to have brought something else with you are a very small minority indeed. But then, woodsloafing in this way isn't any fun - I like to be able to sit by the fire drinking some cold water and eating some good bread.

So what was my point again? Most things are unnecessary most of the time, a lot of things are useful. Knives aren't any different, although they have many more potential uses than perhaps most other items.
 
It all depends.

While rermaining determined to survive, overestimating your ability to control your situation can be deadly.
 
It all depends.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :thumbup:

It depends on what you value. Do you only want what's necessary, or do you want to have fun or an easier time doing things? Women aren't necessary either, and yet...
 
I get the distinct feeling that people think that if they have the latest and greatest, most expensive gear they have some sort of talisman. All I have said is that knowing how to use what you choose might be more important than the quality. Chris

So merely the fact that I can afford and have purchased a high end knife such as a Busse, makes me a macho man with a talisman? Thats a pretty unfair assumption. What gives you this "distinct feeling"?
 
So merely the fact that I can afford and have purchased a high end knife such as a Busse, makes me a macho man with a talisman? Thats a pretty unfair assumption. What gives you this "distinct feeling"?

Because some of these members here think a cell phone is more important than an implement that can do 95% of all survival chores that needs do'n,, if you have half a brain, that is...


OHHHH MYYY, What are they smoke'n?..::D:p:D
 
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