Terrible experience with SmedleyButler

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Rounic said:
Larry at KnifeArt was kind enough to reply saying he can verify that he did sell me this exact Strider model, however we both agreed that since its been in someone else's possession now - I'm basically screwed as I can get back a brick wrapped in a newspaper and will have no way to prove that it's not what I sent.

Looks like I'm screwed a bit here. Regardless guys, not passing the buck here. My mistake trusting the guy. If he sends back anything other than my knife I am just going to handle this offline. If it ends up being mine - I will re-list it (I'll let everyone who PMed me dibs) with a link to this thread.

Keeping my fingers crossed.
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There is one recourse if that does happen.
Also, do not ever send something to anyone here without them paying you for it first. It doesn't matter that there is no feedback on the forums. You should not be risking your property in such as way any more than people should be using the gift option when paying money for items to strangers.

You could log into the store you bought it from and print a receipt, take a picture of it and black out your personal details. It will show the time, date, price, and location of the purchase. Doesn't get much more verifiable than that.
 
Wow, this is to bad.. this bullshit shouldn't happen in a place like this. The only way these work is with honesty, and RESPECT.

I can vouge for ROUNIC through and through.. I just bought the Lego sng arctic grey off of his previous thread.. the guy was nothing but a genuine professional.. he agreed to let me pay him in two payments, and as a matter of fact, after he got the first payment he was ready to ship me the knife! I was able to pay him the rest of the money the same day he shipped but that's besides the point.. it says something about an individual that is as willing to help out a fellow knife nut by going the extra mile, even when he isn't asked.
Now thanks to smedleybutler (or whatever it is) he is going to start questioning everyone else integrity..
YURI (rounic) continue being the good dude you are.

Smedlybutler- that was no way to treat someone.
 
Ajack60 said:
Rounic, never ever ship anything to anyone unless it's paid for first. Always demand Goods/Services through PayPal. It protects everyone.
Don't be surprised if the knife comes back in worse condition than you sent it. That's even if you get it back.
Always remember, it only takes one "Oh crap" to ruin anyone's spotless feedback record.
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^^^ This. OP, once you have your knife back, put Smedley on your Do Not Deal list. I already did.
 
RevDevil said:
There is one recourse if that does happen.
Also, do not ever send something to anyone here without them paying you for it first. It doesn't matter that there is no feedback on the forums. You should not be risking your property in such as way any more than people should be using the gift option when paying money for items to strangers.

You could log into the store you bought it from and print a receipt, take a picture of it and black out your personal details. It will show the time, date, price, and location of the purchase. Doesn't get much more verifiable than that.
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Good advice. Hard to believe people still find away to let themselves get taken advantage of. This is a new one. OP, lesson learned (as you only have the one recourse Rev alluded to). The smelly butler guy, you are now on ignore.
 
I think the buyer in this deal was so out of bounds it makes my head spin . You just don't pull this crap around here. I don't care what your argument is or distorted reasoning is you don't sucker a guy like this. You talked your was into a test drive and you fully admit you picked up another strider which I am sure you liked better and decided you didn't need two from strider or whatever your excuse is now. You really screwed up on this one . I highly doubt this was a fake it just is a lame reason to justify you flaking
 
If I owned the place, I'd ban smedley for his behavior. I don't, so good luck to anyone who runs across him in the future.
 
SmedleyButler said:
**** Rounic. The knife will come back just as you sent it...A Chinese clone in great condition. The knife is a knock off and not even a great one. Maybe you did buy a real one at one time, but this isn't it. I buy knives here EVERY WEEK for a long time now. Got one today from PACPAL in fact. It's not cost, it's not buyers remorse, I just am not going to keep a clone.
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I wonder what knife will be in the box and I wonder why the OP would ever ship an unpaid for knife.

Mr. SmedleyButter, I know you said it was shipped already but could you at least describe the knife you shipped back? Does it look like the one in the photos?​
 
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RevDevil said:
There is one recourse if that does happen.
Also, do not ever send something to anyone here without them paying you for it first. It doesn't matter that there is no feedback on the forums. You should not be risking your property in such as way any more than people should be using the gift option when paying money for items to strangers.

You could log into the store you bought it from and print a receipt, take a picture of it and black out your personal details. It will show the time, date, price, and location of the purchase. Doesn't get much more verifiable than that.
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As suggested, here is the receipt I just received and printed from the dealer:

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Or did I just continue committing fraud? Oh wait, I did buy this real one and then somehow found or manufactured a clone and created an elaborate sale scam where I sold (at a loss) off part of my collection of expensive knives in order to sneak in the clone and keep the real knife... That's what the buyer came up with.

Now how about we all wake up to reality: buyer figured he'd persuade me to fork over a rare knife he never had a chance to fondle before only to then tell me it's a fake and send it back (or even worse - pull a switch and send me back a fake). Which theory do you think sounds closer to the truth gentlemen?

What's even worse now is that after I told the buyer that I googled him and his business (he had me ship the knife to his office) just in case I need to have the authorities involved... he said that if I threaten him again he'll show up at my house. Just throwing it out there so that it's public record in case this person does something stupid.

Edit: Just to add to the insanity - according to the seller not only did I come up with the whole clone knife scam - I actually agreed to send the "clone" first without seeing a penny. I should be a role-model for scammers and thieves guys because this is just such a clever plan, don't you agree?

Sigh... As one of you said: No good deed...
 
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Notice he hasn't came back because he knows what he did was wrong in so many ways. Op I hope you get the knife you sent to him back. Dishonest people are sick and will try to justify their action when they get caught. And now his actions were frowned on here and he conveniently has no response. But before this in his talking with the op he had many excuses why the op should send the knife without payment. Smelly butler you have now made my ignore list.
 
gonebad395 said:
Notice he hasn't came back because he knows what he did was wrong in so many ways. Op I hope you get the knife you sent to him back. Dishonest people are sick and will try to justify their action when they get caught. And now his actions were frowned on here and he conveniently has no response. But before this in his talking with the op he had many excuses why the op should send the knife without payment. Smelly butler you have now made my ignore list.
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Yet he's been looking at the post for over half an hour...;)
 
I really hope you get exactly what you sent back .. I wish in the future you don't send items before they are paid for.
 
Rounic said:
As suggested, here is the receipt I just received and printed from the dealer:

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Excellent, that is pretty far from being a fake as that dealer does not sell counterfeit items. The bad attitudes and rageaholics are not necessary here, this is why I love when these threads work out. All it takes is getting someone talking/writing, their true nature will come out very fast and I think that has happened here. As an aside this is going to be documented for posterity, "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear".
 
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What are the rules Rev if the sell left a negative feedback to the buyer that protects the seller from reciving one for the buyer? Since the seller has proved he's been legit the entire time ?
 
MercyfulfateXX said:
send me the knife and when it gets here ill pay for it?


Wow.
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That is like going to the store and asking to take a TV home and then pay for it.
Not to mention the buyer has zero feedback as well (unless I am missing something). He just have some big balls to ask the item sent to him first. The seller should have not sent first with exactly that argument.
 
Hope everything works out for you, but guarantee that I'll never buy from smelly Butler! Lol
 
gonebad395 said:
What are the rules Rev if the sell left a negative feedback to the buyer that protects the seller from reciving one for the buyer? Since the seller has proved he's been legit the entire time ?
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No completed transaction then no Itrader feedback. A public thread is sufficient.

Due diligence by checking all avenues of feedback (Itrader, GB&U, post history etc) is on you if you plan to partake in the Exchange. Appropriately adding to experiences both positive and negative to Itrader and the GB&U helps everyone.
 
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