The blade was defective when it came - who's responsible to make it right?

He is an anomaly in the system. The thing that concerns me is that he can't even post here to defend himself without throwing a seller pitch in. We all know how good Busse is about the warranty. But he is using that as a selling point. He has the attitude of it doesnt matter what I do Busse will make it right. That should not be for them to do. He is the dealer reselling a product. He should be held responsible to make it right. He should pay the shipping. Not throw it all back on Busse. That is just abuse.
 
Gang, just so you all know, the BFC staff have discussed Liu Kang and his practices at great length.

One of the things required of him was that he upgrade to a Dealer membership.
 
Mike G said:
Gang, just so you all know, the BFC staff have discussed Liu Kang and his practices at great length.

One of the things required of him was that he upgrade to a Dealer membership.
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Why, if he is a dealer, is he not required to also sell in the dealer section (like all other dealers), rather than having 5 active sale threads in the Busse sales forum?
 
I guess the biggest question then is why is he allowed to sell in the for sale by individuals section? Why isnt he infracted for drawing people to his for sale threads in the individual non-dealer section?
 
That's a question for Tech Support, not FEEDBACK.

In fact, just read Guyon's post above at http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8740918&postcount=53 and quit nagging us here about it.

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And why does Spark give Dan special treatment? Why is he allowed to post in the "For Sale by INDIVIDUALS" forum when there is a specific dealer forum?
My understanding is that, when his dealer status was under debate, Liu Kang struck a deal with Spark (perhaps at Jerry's request?) because of the traffic in the Busse For Sale forum. There was a post about it somewhere in Service and Support, I believe. Ah... found it.

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Liu Kang was specifically exempted for the Busse forums per request of the Busse staff.
In that thread, I voiced the same concerns posted above. Jerry himself posted the following:

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Originally Posted by Jerry Busse

For the record, once again, we only have two dealers. One (ThatMguy) is restricted to a couple of local gun shows only, and the other (Idaho Skunk) runs our company store and is restricted from selling anything other than his personal knives on Bladeforums. We currently only have these two set up as Busse dealers.

Liu Kang pays the same amount as everyone else and then marks up from there. The list of folks who buy our knives at the regular price and then resell them for a profit down the road is endless.


Hope this helps,


Jerry
Jerry's last point is certainly true, but these "folks" don't typically engage in so many blatant strategies that elevate profit above community.
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braillediver said:
This is how I see it:
You're a "Reseller" and the "I just work here" attitude doesn't cut it.

As a "Reseller" you do have some responsibility for what you sell.

That would include inspecting everything you receive to verify it is up to snuff and as the "primary" buyer you have the responsibility of addressing any warranty issues first before reselling the item.

Your Tag says “Dealer” but you claim to “buy and sell the knives just like you”.

Not really- you actively profit from the transactions as a “dealer” and the value you add to the transaction is how you earn your profit.

You can’t run a business as a “Dealer” but claim to be a “Hobbyists” like us. In all honesty I think the different titles have different expectations but similar responsibilities.
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+1 Bingo!

It's fine to slam the OP for acting too fast, but I think LK's initial reply pretty much told him where he stood and what he could do with his faulty knife. What exactly was he going to do if OP sent him pics or called him? He had made his position clear.

I also hate doing a search in the exchange trying to establish the value of a knife and finding all the sale prices erased :mad: Just say no to price hiding! :thumbdn:
 
I would be another who would like to see the prices remain on sales.

Naturally the seller can do as he pleases but I don't like the idea of the prices being removed just so some dealer can maximise his profits!

Knowing how much things sell for helps me keep up with current market value.


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tundratrader said:
The price hiding is one that really pisses me off. Why wouldnt people just leave that on the thread?
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I don't think this is something that should piss you off. I see it from both sides. As a seller rather you are talking about LK or not, has the motive to make money on the knives he or she has to sell. It is really know ones business to see what deal was made for the purchase of the knife. Look at a car dealership do you think they should post each purchase price for every car or truck they sold. They wouldn't do that because they would have to honor the lowest price. Sellers are in it for the money.

On the other hand....

It would be nice to see what a knife goes for so you will know for future purchases. I want a Busse NMSFO but don't know what a good price is. With prices gone I have to be willing to pay the posted price of the knife or try and make a deal. Most people that buy things research it before they buy in the first place. If you don't you can't be mad for paying too much for something. Knowone forced you to pay that price.

It can be seen both ways but I wouldn't slam a seller for not displaying the price. JMO sorry:)
 
resinguy said:
In this thread we learned that Busse sold a small number of B11s with an imperfect edge at Blade, and disclosed the defect, giving buyers a discount.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=747257&highlight=basic
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I find this disturbing. I just ran downstairs to check my B11s. Do I now have to check all of my 34 Bussekin? One of the reasons I buy Busse is because I think I know what I am getting - buying peace of mind. If these defects are not disclosed when those knives are moved on, then that is a problem for me. I know I have sold / traded some knives and described them as having sratches, have been sharpened etc. but then noticed that when they were for sale again, nothing of that was mentioned.

If I am not buying peace of mind, then I am just not buying.
 
l2lku2 said:
I find this disturbing. I just ran downstairs to check my B11s. Do I now have to check all of my 34 Bussekin? One of the reasons I buy Busse is because I think I know what I am getting - buying peace of mind. If these defects are not disclosed when those knives are moved on, then that is a problem for me. I know I have sold / traded some knives and described them as having sratches, have been sharpened etc. but then noticed that when they were for sale again, nothing of that was mentioned.

If I am not buying peace of mind, then I am just not buying.
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Only a small group of the asymmetrical ground B11's were sold as 'seconds' and at a discount at BLADE. The only thing wrong with them is that the edge grind was a little wavy...much less so than Jerry made them out to be before offering us the chance to buy them. Most likely, yours isn't one of these few.

If Venice Will was sold one of these, then my feeling is that Busse might not consider it as 'defective' with respect to the edge grind, if this is the problem. It was sold this way and at a considerable discount. The unintentional damage warranty on these is still applicable, IIRC. Any Seller of any of these few JWBIB11's (the unofficial nickname, "Johnnie Walker Blew It B11") should inform the Buyer of this possibility. I'm not saying that this is the case here on this thread with respect to the OP and the Seller as I have no idea if LK even had any of these discounted 'seconds' in his inventory.
 
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Say WHAT? Busse's selling "defective blades"..???? I just can't see where THAT would be profitable for ANY maker to do....

It wasn't the grind...it was a slgiht but easily dsicernable bend in the blade....

But if THAT'S what I was sold....DAMN....damn damn damn! NOW who can you trust...?

Dealer....? maker...?

Maybe STAMP the blades down near the choil with an "IRR" to signify irregular...otherwise,
I just can't see that going in a good direction after the intial sale....
 
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Venice Will said:
Say WHAT? Busse's selling "defective blades"..???? I just can't see where THAT would be profitable for ANY maker to do....


But if THAT'S what I was sold....DAMN....damn damn damn! NOW who can you trust...?

Dealer....? maker...?
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Busse is not selling functionally defective blades. The problem was a grind that, while less than visually perfect, was perfectly functional. Any buyers of these blades received a substantial discount. Please read Jaxx's post.

Busse would have no role in any duplicity if you received a "second" B11. The knife was sold to the original owner with full disclosure. It's up to any and all resellers to pass on information about the nature of any aesthetic defects.

l2lku2 said:
I find this disturbing. I just ran downstairs to check my B11s. Do I now have to check all of my 34 Bussekin? One of the reasons I buy Busse is because I think I know what I am getting - buying peace of mind. If these defects are not disclosed when those knives are moved on, then that is a problem for me. I know I have sold / traded some knives and described them as having sratches, have been sharpened etc. but then noticed that when they were for sale again, nothing of that was mentioned.
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Same point as above. If there are any issues that make a knife less than new, then the seller is responsible for passing along that information. I think that sharpening, in particular, would be worth noting. Some folks can sharpen. Others can't.
 
l2ku2's post got me curious, and just a little bit of searching produced an interesting result. Here is a knife clearly listed as having been sharpened by a third party (not Busse and not l2ku2). Clearly, it is a nice job of sharpening. The knife also is listed with some smoothing of the coating disclosed.

Link to sale post (sale is ended, thread is now locked): http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8374825&postcount=4

Here is what appears to be the same knife in Liu Kang's "for sale" posting. Notice there's no mention of the sharpening by Mike Billman at Grindstone Cutlery or smoothing of the coating. Judging by that sheath, there's a pretty high probability that's the same knife. To his credit, LK doesn't list the knife as "new" or "mint," but he still ought to disclose a third-party sharpening job IMO, even if it's a really good one. Heck, in this case, it probably makes the knife more desirable.

YMMV.

Liu Kang said:

BATAC CG .20" Thick Black Blade, Black Magnum G10 with Mike Billman (Grindstone Cutlery) custom sheaths $370
Tali Wacker w/kydex and teck-lock w/Penetrator Tip $370
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A knock on effect of not passing on the complete history of a knife is that other peoples' reputations are jeopardized. I might for example buy a knife thinking it is new / mint and not know enough to tell the difference.

I then sell it to someone else and describe it as new / mint but he is knowledgeable enough to look at the knife and tell that it has been used, sharpened etc.

Then I would be seen as dishonest. Peoples' reputations are at stake when buying and selling knives and every person in the chain should pass on all the information he obtained when he bought the knife and any changes in condition that they effected.
 
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Buck_110 said:
The selling price isn't necessarily the value. Items more often than not, are purchased based on worth. The worth is determined by the buyer. The actual value may very well be higher or lower. While a picture of a deceased, unknown person has zero value, it may be worth the world to surviving family members.

Also, man was not created financially equal. What's expensive to one, may be peanuts to another. Purchases in the exchange are a result of free will. The options to make an offer or move along also exist.
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I don't know what your point is relative to my post, but a trip to the dictionary may be in order regarding "value" and "worth".

The recent selling price (and hopefully more than one) is by definition the current market value unless something has occured in the meantime to change it (usually by affecting supply or demand).
 
Venice Will said:
Say WHAT? Busse's selling "defective blades"..???? I just can't see where THAT would be profitable for ANY maker to do....

It wasn't the grind...it was a slgiht but easily dsicernable bend in the blade....

But if THAT'S what I was sold....DAMN....damn damn damn! NOW who can you trust...?

Dealer....? maker...?

Maybe STAMP the blades down near the choil with an "IRR" to signify irregular...otherwise,
I just can't see that going in a good direction after the intial sale....
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Whoa...hold up... The blade was actually bent??? ...NO. The few Jerry sold had a bit of a wavy grind. The BLADES THEMSELVES are still straight and everything else about them are as all the rest. :thumbup: I really don't believe that Busse would have sold a bent blade if they noticed it first...even as a 'second'.

Sorry for the confusion, man.
 
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