The hyping of Chris Reeve Knifes

[Ken44]

aot of very old people thought the world was flat, hitler was an old man, racism was widely accepted 50 years ago, my grandparents can not use a computer..... they are all old

hell mr reeve has flaws with his knives he wont acknowledge...... why does he still use 1 thumb stud primairly, why does he think flicking a knife is bad, why does he run a super steel at about 58.5 rockwell. listen to crimson tide shooters videos and you can tell he is a knife expert.

Oh man, thanks for the laugh

 

[Tasmaniac]

Holy crap that's hilarious!!!

 

[imbryan715]

Oh man, thanks for the laugh

that was me being a smart ass

as it relates to knives : young minds have created the best concepts. chris was young when he designed his knife. he had something new to offer. he was problay called an idiot because he did not have a wodden scale, pinned construction, nail nick etc..... he had a new locking method, a thumb stud, a new scale etc. that is what he learned. the new guys have made the better steels, better scales, better locks etc.... andrew demko created a stronger lock, we have steels that make reeves brain child (s30v) look like garbage such as 20cv, s110v,m390,xhp etc....., reeve still uses small screws. every generation makes something new that is stupid at first and then it is realized how much better the new is. reeve has one hell of a knife design but it is stuck in the past in many aspects. would you like a sabenza in s110v or 20cv at a HARD rockwell, a carbadized lock face, larger pivot, a flickable knife and one without idaho made on it etc....... yes you would!!!!! because it is better. being close minded is the largest sign of stupidity one can show. if he has so many years of experience he should realize how good these new things are and should add them to his knives if they are proven

 

[Hadji Flip Me Over]

That seems to apply to a lot of brands. It gets very annoying, but everyone is entitled to their own particular knife fetish. It just so happens that a lot of people really enjoy CRK knives.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I can understand people liking different knives, different styles, different prices. CRK may not be for everyone. I don't care if you never buy one.

But to take your opinion solely from online reviews and videos is like writing a technical paper from encyclopedias and Wikipedia. It is all derivative, second-hand, ultimately unreliable.

Even "handling" a Sebenza isn't anything like using one. The name of the knife is the Zulu word for "work". You wanna argue with a Zulu ??? Using a Sebenza over a period of time and a variety of tasks will show you how good it is, and whether you will want to keep it.

For all the supposed hype, we have a limited range of discussions about CRK. We have the enthusiasts. We have the haters. And we have the questioners who wonder why all the discussions.

Many of the enthusiast discussions aren't meant to inform anyone of anything. It's a club, we get together to share our obsession. We don't need to sell you on performance, we are satisfied with it, and understand our friends are, too. That leaves the questioners asking why we don't tell them how many cooked noodles it can cut through before resharpening.

The haters? A current term, sounds harsh to me. People with a negative attitude toward the CRK experience. We don't care what they think. Many of them -- who don't even post that often -- don't hate the knives, they just don't like them They are looking for a different price range, style, or level of performance for their use and interests. And that's great. A knife is supposed to be a tool or toy you can enjoy, can afford, can take pride in.

But there are always a few who need to show how smart they are, who need to show they know something we don't -- that the Emperor's knife has no class. For whatever reason, it doesn't meet their high standards of materials and performance.

Even if they have never used one to find out ...

 

[Ken44]

Not quite as funny, but yet still pretty funny stuff

edit- 715 that is.

 

[imbryan715]

Not quite as funny, but yet still pretty funny stuff

you obviously cant add anything to the conversation..... are valid points hard to rebut? or is your old age and experience just getting to you? please name one thing you understand that a young man or woman could not learn and understand better than you......

 

[Sonnydaze]

It ALL about fit, feel and finish and NOT the important part of how the blade cuts
and performs....I dont get it.

Gosh, you really know how to stick your head in it. You're new; you may survive the firestorm.
One of our more distinguished experts on blade-steels and test-cutting (Ankerson) recently said that he uses a lot of S30V in his EDC's. Of course, that's one of the major steels that CRK used; went to S35VN about a year ago or so.
One of the more well-known knife-testing guys on YouTube (Crimson Tide) recently sold off a bunch of his favorite CRK's in order to purchase a custom folder in 154 CM, IIRC. He is primarily interested in the fine tolerances and workmanship of the new custom, and said it represents a complete change in his philosophy of what makes for a good folder.
Yes, there's more than just "cutting" involved in a good EDC.
Stick around and learn...
Sonny

 

[Ankerson]

reeves brain child (s30v) look like garbage such as 20cv, s110v,m390,xhp etc

CRK didn't invent S30V, Crucible already had the steel.

What they and others involved did was start making knife blades out of it.

NO, Chris Reeve wasn't the only one involved in that....

 

[Scott Dolan]

you obviously cant add anything to the conversation..... are valid points hard to rebut? or is your old age and experience just getting to you? please name one thing you understand that a young man or woman could not learn and understand better than you......

You don't learn about, and understand, something better in a vacuum. There has to be a foundation to work from.

 

[imbryan715]

CRK didn't invent S30V, Crucible already had the steel.

What they and others involved did was start making knife blades out of it.

yes very true. i believe he had some input on the steel and asked them to make a knife specific steel didn't he?

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

Gosh, you really know how to stick your head in it. You're new; you may survive the firestorm.
One of our more distinguished experts on blade-steels and test-cutting (Ankerson) recently said that he uses a lot of S30V in his EDC's. Of course, that's one of the major steels that CRK used; went to S35VN about a year ago or so.
One of the more well-known knife-testing guys on YouTube (Crimson Tide) recently sold off a bunch of his favorite CRK's in order to purchase a custom folder in 154 CM, IIRC. He is primarily interested in the fine tolerances and workmanship of the new custom, and said it represents a complete change in his philosophy of what makes for a good folder.
Yes, there's more than just "cutting" involved in a good EDC.
Stick around and learn...
Sonny

I haven't sold any of my CRK's, but yeah the rest of your post is correct. SO much more to a good knife than steel/cutting performance.

 

[Sidehill Gouger]

Hi,

The overwhelming general consensus on ALL the forums is that Chris Reeve Knifes make the best production/semi-custom knives available today. I have spent many days perusing all the
forums reading all the CRK fan boy comments...."best knife on earth", "it just feels right", etc. Ok, well thats all fine, BUT the mast majority of these folks NEVER mention the blade performance
or talk about the blade's cutting ability or the blade's edge retention or how long it holds a razor sharp edge. It ALL about fit, feel and finish and NOT the important part of how the blade cuts
and performs....I dont get it.

A very popular You Tube channel member put the large Sebenza 21 to a cutting test, and it failed miserably! Than tester got nasty,immature comments from the all CRK fanboys. It certainly
appears to me that his blades are mediocore at the very best, and very hit and miss with quality control. To me , that is unacceptable for a $425.00 knife.

So, do most of the CRK Sebenza owners buy these knives simply to play with and constantly and mindlessly flick it open and closed while sitting on the couch watching TV, or, they they acutally
use them daily and if so, what are you results with the blade performance?

Please understand this is just my opinion from all the reading I have done and the videos I have watched.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen the video you refer to or know what cutting tests the knife was put too but I have been using Sebenzas for a number of years and I've never had any complaints about their performance or edge holding. One rule holds for ever true on the forum. What ever steel you make a knife from, a number of people will say it doesn't hold an edge and you should have used something else. Maybe if you learned how to sharpen your knife once in a while this wouldn't be such a big problem.
I've carried a Strider and didn't like the feel of it at all so I no longer own it. If you don't like the feel of a Sebenza don't buy one.

 

[imbryan715]

You don't learn about, and understand, something better in a vacuum. There has to be a foundation to work from.

i agree with your quote. what i was saying is there is no theroy or skill taught 50 or 60 years ago that he knows that can not be taught, learned and added to by a younger student. chris reeves building is the standard now but is somebodys foundation to add to, change, improve and prefect. chris's building is not perfect or timeless

 

[MrPocketsOfSteel]

I am not a friend or foe...just a guy that has been there, and gave the knife away to a great friend.
Your OP will upset a lot of people not just CRK fans. It is comes off as brash and disrespectful to a respected maker. If you had posted the same thing about a company like Cold Steel, Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw, or Buck, you would likely get the same type of responses...and that does not make the responders fan boys. It just shows that many people here respect makers that have offered fantastic products and advanced the industry.?

But I think what he also is saying without actually saying it....but I will say it....is that you don't see Ytube vids from the companies you mentioned that are so cult like. Just watch....nevermind. No one is going to change the OP's mind or yours but I do know what he's talking about.

I wasn't going to tell my own "story" in regards to CR knife owners because I'm sure not "everyone" is like this...lol...but I'll have to say many of the Ytube vids are very strangely close to my run in with the CR product.

I was out with a friend on a weekend camping trip and he kept telling me that "he had a suprise for me"...just kept on and kept on all the drive out there. Lo and behold I think you know what I'm gonna say - Yep- he had a Sebenza.{sigh} I just recently (last 2 yrs. or so) starting carrying a folder. I always used a machete, very rarely did I come up on something I couldn't do with one. OK - back to the story.

I was breaking down wood and the things one does to prepare their camp before night and I noticed I was basically doing the majority of everything. I asked him if he was going to put his knife to work and his response was to the affect of "oh no, I'm not using *her* for that." The "that" that he wouldn't do was clean off big limbs for poles. But there was a period for about 15 minutes where he weirdly kept on me about his knife. "Come on, just touch it." I responded with "no, I don't want to touch it, get busy and stop flicking your knife." I bet during that 15 minute period I heard the phrase "just touch it" or "just check it out" about five or six times...lol...and no funny jokes either - homey doesn't swing from that side of the plate.

I guess what I'm getting at is that it seemed like he was going to force me to touch that daggone knife and that the "Sebenza Spell" would take over me, later on much later on when he finally set it down - I checked it out. Yeah, nice looking knife if that's your style but he about flipped when he showed back up and I was just shaving a stick.....you would have thought I was beating it with a sledge hammer. I don't know, I'll stick to my machete and HEST or one of my other folders. But I NEVER EVER saw him act like that before. Weird is all I can say. Kind of like some of the videos out there I suppose.{ducking rocks from CK owners}

 

[Charles Gallo]

Go way way back, and it was common. Back in the Vampire Gerbil era. A lot of Sebbie fans called the "Plain" model the Grey Turd. Let's face it, the base model is kinda plain.

A lot of folks tend to forget that when the Sebbies first came out, the fact they were using BG-42, then SV-30, LONG before others were making knives of that level gave them some of their reputation. Today, there are lots of folks running super steel, but look back. I BELIEVE the stated reason for running the SV-30 a bit soft was that some early knives (I'm thinking of my sprint run leek) which were harder got a reputation for chipping with a thin edge, and he made the tradeoff for toughness

Are there better knives today? I'll bet there are, and maybe even at less money, but you KNOW what you are getting when you buy a sebbie. I will say that when mine came out of the box I was NOT fully happy with the edge, but then again, I rarely am. I lowered the angle - SLIGHTLY, and made sure the bevels were run to the edge _I_ like, and then it cuts with just about anything I own

Are they hype? Don't ask me, and I OWN one. I do know that Post sebbie, I haven't bought much, because I'm basically happy with what I have, I'm sort of getting the urge for a Nnundi (sp?) because I CAN use my Chimera (and yes THAT was an EDC for a few years, so you know how I feel about carrying expensive knives) for the class of work of the Sebbie, and I have nothing really in the nitch between where the Small sebbie and the WH Lancet. My Hall is sort of in the same blade class as the Sebbie, but the handles are no where near as strong (Oh, THAT was an EDC for about 2 years too)

My current reason for comming back is that I'm back in a shirt and tie. Yes, my pants are sized to fit the leatherman, but..and I'm looking for something a bit smaller than the sebbie, but bigger than the lancet, and GOOD looking. Sigh, it never ends

 

[Ken44]

please name one thing you understand that a young man or woman could not learn and understand better than you......

OK, one, involving a knife. Butchering. Old union meat cutters know a good bit. To be fair though, it is a much more easy job now days.

 

[imbryan715]

OK, one, involving a knife. Butchering. Old union meat cutters know a good bit. To be fair though, it is a much more easy job now days.

is it easy because new people learned from the old, and then improved. then made cleaner more efficient cuts that wasted less meat and was more time and energy efficient.....? dont get me wrong. listening toyour elders is the best way to learn. i sit in amazement when i have a long conversation with my grandfather. but sayng you must be old to be right is idiocracy. we should listen to our elders. analyze there results and try and improve them. test our beliefs and if they are true then they should be adopted for the beterment of the product or society. you should not just trust the old man because that was his conclusion

 

[Esav Benyamin]

aot of very old people thought the world was flat, hitler was an old man, racism was widely accepted 50 years ago, my grandparents can not use a computer..... they are all old

hell mr reeve has flaws with his knives he wont acknowledge...... why does he still use 1 thumb stud primairly, why does he think flicking a knife is bad, why does he run a super steel at about 58.5 rockwell. listen to crimson tide shooters videos and you can tell he is a knife expert.

Seriously?

Old and young people thought the world was flat. They went by what they could see from where they were. Some old men figured out otherwise, scientists, philosophers.

Hitler was young when he got into politics and racism. Racism was not only widely accepted 50 years ago, it was also widely opposed centuries before that. Depends on where you were.

I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather. I manage OK with my computers.

These are not flaws of the Sebenza, they are design decisions:

why does he still use 1 thumb stud primairly, -- One is enough. If you want two he can put dual studs on. If you just need a left hand stud, he makes lefty Sebenzas. Why put two for most people, who only use one?

why does he think flicking a knife is bad, -- because it is, because hard metal to metal contact will wear the metal. Because despite other knives encouraging flamboyance, CRK builds for a lifetime, and hopes the owners respect and support that.

why does he run a super steel at about 58.5 rockwell -- because his knives are used for general purpose, longterm effect, and he feels that hardness will support that kind of use best.

 

[MrPocketsOfSteel]

It is worthless if you don't care if a knife is collectible. When I buy a knife I know I am going to keep it till I die. I've never sold a knife of mine, why would I?