The Loveless Shop

Mike,

I thought you were shunning me?

Come on man make up your mind...your shunning...your not....you speak for the Loveless shop...you don't.,,,,,
 
giant1 said:
Never made a knife but happy to pull other peoples work down when ever you get the chance eh........
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Where did that happen in this thread, exactly?

And while you're finding that, maybe you could help me with where STeven was attacking Jim Merritt - as Mike claims? I'd ask Mike, but that strikes me as a pointless exercise.

giant1 said:
Just wondering how many knives you "experts" have actually made?? Lets have a look at them.
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I'm just wondering what making a knife has to do with having expertise, in this context? A guy who has been collecting and researching Loveless knives for decades probably has developed significant expertise in the area. Whether or not he has ever made a knife seems irrelevant to me.

Roger
 
RogerP said:
Where did that happen in this thread, exactly?

And while you're finding that, maybe you could help me with where STeven was attacking Jim Merritt - as Mike claims? I'd ask Mike, but that strikes me as a pointless exercise.

Roger
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Thank you Roger. It's really starting to flow. You'r always so kind.
 
Kohai999 said:
I believe that you were attempting to call me a liar, Mike. I don't lie.

Steven Said---I read that e-mail.....Louis was on the distribution list.

The only forum I got kicked off of was the USN, a long time ago, pretty sure if I wanted to, I could get accepted back there.

Wanting things to be a certain way, and acting as if they are that way does not make them that way, Mike.

My business, as a person and as a collector is the truth, about life and about knives....your business is about the visibility and viability of Lovett Knives....who has the most to gain by appearing to be tightly aligned and speaking for The Loveless Shop?

This has not been a debate....this is the public watching Lovett dig a hole, deeper and deeper....I suggested that you refrain in my very first post, and I would have left it alone....but you had to push.

At the end of the day...the person you should be mad at is yourself.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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I see your confusion. Perhaps you should have read the complete e-mail. I have it too! It is talking about John Denton claiming to be speaking for the Loveless shoop and putting Jim Merritt down. . NOT ME!

And for what IT is worth. I know all but one of the people the e-mail was sent to. And Jack and I are friends.

At least get your attacks right!

Looks to me like you just lied again.:rolleyes:
 
Hey Roger,

I'm just wondering what making a knife has to do with having expertise, in this context? A guy who has been collecting and researching Loveless knives for decades probably has developed significant expertise in the area. Whether or not he has ever made a knife seems irrelevant to me.
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There you go with that damn common sense of yours.

Careful...or Mike will shun you!

Im sure when he responds it will inane.
 
Michael Lovett said:
Thank you Roger. It's really starting to flow. You'r always so kind.
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Dang, Mike - I thought you had shunned me a long time ago. :) Since you haven't, maybe you would like to point out where in this thread STeven attacked Jim? Backing up your accusations would seem to me the honourable thing to do.

Let me refresh your memory:

Michael Lovett said:
Luckily, here, you are mostly attacking me. (You started in attacking Jim. Although you now deny it). Many others else where are attacking JIM. (Other than on this form). We're not standing for it. ....
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If that wasn't a figment of your imagination, then kindly point out where STeven was attacking Jim.

Thanks,

Roger
 
Kohai999 said:
I believe that you were attempting to call me a liar, Mike. I don't lie.

I read that e-mail.....Louis was on the distribution list.

The only forum I got kicked off of was the USN, a long time ago, pretty sure if I wanted to, I could get accepted back there.

Wanting things to be a certain way, and acting as if they are that way does not make them that way, Mike.

My business, as a person and as a collector is the truth, about life and about knives....your business is about the visibility and viability of Lovett Knives....who has the most to gain by appearing to be tightly aligned and speaking for The Loveless Shop?

This has not been a debate....this is the public watching Lovett dig a hole, deeper and deeper....I suggested that you refrain in my very first post, and I would have left it alone....but you had to push.

At the end of the day...the person you should be mad at is yourself.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Steven;

Perhaps you should have read the complete e-mail.

The E-mail you speak of was about John Denton putting Jim down, and speaking for the Loveless Shop. Not Me!:rolleyes:

Once again, you are intentionally misleading any one who will listen.

I too have the e-mail here. The fellow who wrote it, Jack Lucarelli is a friend of mine, as are most of the others on the mailing.
 
Michael Lovett said:
Steven;

Perhaps you should have read the complete e-mail.

The E-mail you speak of was about John Denton putting Jim down, and speaking for the Loveless Shop. Not Me!:rolleyes:

Once again, you are intentionally misleading any one who will listen.

I too have the e-mail here. The fellow who wrote it, Jack Lucarelli is a friend of mine, as are most of the others on the mailing.
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I read the whole e-mail, twice.

It isn't my place to bring any of the information that e-mail contains up on BladeForums, and I'm not going to address it. The copy I saw did not have your name on the distribution list. I will say that the content read much as if you had written it yourself, but with proper grammar, so I know that you had nothing to do with it.

You are clutching at straw man arguments, Mike-

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

You have accused me of being a liar twice, without substantiating it once. You claimed on a few occasions to be speaking for The Loveless Shop....and when I spoke to Jim Merritt....who IS The Loveless Shop, he said that you were not speaking for him....that is the crux of the issue.

You should stop digging.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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this is all rather unfortunate.
 
Lorien said:
this is all rather unfortunate.
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What is unfortunate, Lorien? Would it have been better if the BFC embraced Mike as the Voice of The Loveless Shop, only to find out later that was not the case?

OR

If Mike had never started with it in the first place, and stuck to the truth and shared in a non-self promoting manner his relationship with The Loveless Shop?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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I had hoped this thread would turn into a productive discussion on the future of the Loveless Shop and Loveless knives. I can't think of a custom knife related topic over recent years more interesting or deserving of such.
 
Kevin Jones said:
I had hoped this thread would turn into a productive discussion on the future of the Loveless Shop and Loveless knives. I can't think of a custom knife related topic over recent years more interesting or deserving of such.
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I agree - it's a very worthy topic, but it's not going to receive any significant illumination here.

It may be worth starting a separate thread. Some of the discussion points raised by Les and others are interesting and I would welcome input from those with expertise and interest in the subject.

But I can see where many would be reluctant to step into this mess.

Roger
 
Steven, I said I was speaking for Jim (The Loveless Shop) on the original post only. I posted at Jim's request.

You ask Jim if he had read it, and he said no. He said no because I read it to him over the phone. I ask if anything else needed to be added, or taken out, Jim said no. So yes you didn't tell the truth. Or at the very least, you very much mis-understood Jim.

I just got off the phone with Jim at teh Loveless Shop just a few minutes ago. . I told him you were going to call him today to complain about me. He is THERE!

I have spoken the truth about my relationship with the Loveless Shop, as well as Jim. He would however appreciate less calls about the Logo and being continually being told what to do.

I now have permission to post the e-mail. Some one please tell Steven who Jack Lucarelli is please.

Permission was given by Ed Wormser.

Mike

John Denton:


Shame on you for spreadin' this shit around. Bob's service has yet to take place and you are out there clangin' on the warnin' bell
to a lot of good people, whom most of em' I know, about money and what I consider to be "greed".


You should give Jim Merritt the respect that you and your family never gave him. Let Jim do what he has to do to help Bob's wife get
their worlds in order rather than run around seeking self serving publicity by acting like the authority on Bob Loveless. Bob was a close friend. I got to spend a lot of time with him the last five years, especially near the end. He shared a lot of his "true" feelings about a lot of folks in the knifeworld. There were those he respected and those he did not.


Why you chose Steve S. to prompt to call Jim is an act of cowardice in my opinion. I am a fighter and if you want to fight then let's do it.
I will do whatever it takes to honor and respect not only Bob, but Jim Merritt too. Rather than run around comparing era's during Loveless' life, everyone should give Bob the respect for whatever he did from the beginning to the end.


I asked Bob just two days before he died about what he thought the reaction might be after he was no longer with us. He managed that sly
grin that some of his close friends have seen and that I witnessed a lot in the past month, then struggled to lift his right hand and rub his thumb across his fore and middle fingers. I knew exactly what he was referring to, it's about the money. He was spot on and I felt deep inside that he was right.


Stop spreadin' crap and help support his good work, from the beginning to the end. He was hands on all the way includin' havin' his two closest pals, Jack Mork and Jim Merritt get him out to the shop so he could inspect what he knew was the last order that would leave the shop while he was alive and kickin'. He whispered to me while I sat next to him at his deathbed, "you gotta' a bunch of beauties out there". It has been Loveless and Merritt for the last 30 years plus just as it had been Loveless and Johnson before. That's how it should be told. Merritt should be treated with the same dignity and respect that everyone gave Loveless and gives Johnson. Everyone knows how Bob felt
about the knives that have been made in the later years, that they were the best ever to come from the shop and that came from Bob's lips and if anyone wants to disrespect Bob by disagreeing with him then so be it. Maybe you know more than Bob knew.


Jack Lucarelli


P.S.
If any of you would be so kind that I have cc.'d above to make certain that the individuals that Mr. Denton chose to cc in his email, would
you please forward my response since I do not know most of those folks and do not have their email addresses.

I am NOT Jack Lucarelli. And no, I am not perfect in my grammar Steven. I am dyslexic, and make no appologies for it. I owe you nothing. Nor are you perfect. Except in being a perfect Pompas Ass.

As I said. Jim is There. If I were lying, would I tell you this?

Roger P--Sorry for not responding. I have to have at least a little respect for someone to argue with them.
 
Michael Lovett said:
Steven, I said I was speaking for Jim (The Loveless Shop) on the original post only. I posted at Jim's request.

You ask Jim if he had read it, and he said no. He said no because I read it to him over the phone. I ask if anything else needed to be added, or taken out, Jim said no. So yes you didn't tell the truth. Or at the very least, you very much mis-understood Jim.

I just got off the phone with Jim at teh Loveless Shop just a few minutes ago. . I told him you were going to call him today to complain about me. He is THERE!

I have spoken the truth about my relationship with the Loveless Shop, as well as Jim. He would however appreciate less calls about the Logo and being continually being told what to do.

From Lucarelli's letter: "Bob was a close friend. I got to spend a lot of time with him the last five years, especially near the end. He shared a lot of his "true" feelings about a lot of folks in the knifeworld. There were those he respected and those he did not."


I am NOT Jack Lucarelli. And no, I am not perfect in my grammar Steven. I am dyslexic, and make no appologies for it. I owe you nothing. Nor are you perfect. Except in being a perfect Pompas Ass.

As I said. Jim is There. If I were lying, would I tell you this?

Roger P--Sorry for not responding. I have to have at least a little respect for someone to argue with them.
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I spoke with Jim YESTERDAY, Mike....I have no need to speak with him today.

I asked Jim if you were speaking for him, and he said no....end of story.

Your credibility is highly suspect, Mike....end of story....and I care even less about Jack Lucarelli than I do about you....How he got a virtual lock on The Loveless Shop output is beyond my understanding or need to know....

You have now insulted and "shunned" Les Robertson, Roger P and called me a whole bunch of names....what else do you have?

It isn't "Pompas ass" Pompas means "bubbles" in Spanish. Usually used to reference a good-looking buttocks...I didn't realize that you noticed my good looking buttocks....you meant pompous ass.;)

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Kohai999 said:
I spoke with Jim YESTERDAY, Mike....I have no need to speak with him today.

I asked Jim if you were speaking for him, and he said no....end of story.

Your credibility is highly suspect, Mike....end of story....and I care even less about Jack Lucarelli than I do about you.

You have now insulted and "shunned" Les Robertson, Roger P and called me a whole bunch of names....what else do you have?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Steven, do you really think you cn make these accusations with nothing to back it up. You said you were going to call him today. Lie again?

Jim ask today, who the f is this Garson guy. I told him you order and received a knife. Jim said yes he did. So?
Jim said I talked to him yesterday. I told him I didn't read the Blade Forum. Tell him to call me back if he has a problem with you or me.

Jim is expecting your call. Get a pair!

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Michael Lovett said:
Steven, do you really think you cn make these accusations with nothing to back it up. You said you were going to call him today. Lie again?

Jim ask today, who the f is this Garson guy. I told him you order and received a knife. Jim said yes he did. So?
Jim said I talked to him yesterday. I told him I didn't read the Blade Forum. Tell him to call me back if he has a problem with you or me.

Jim is expecting your call. Get a pair!

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I got huge stones, Mike.....I'll be speaking with him in a little bit, after I get to making some money, and will be sure to report back exactly what is said, word for word.

You are accusing me a third time of lying without substantiating the first or second lie....this is getting old.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Michael Lovett said:
Roger P--Sorry for not responding. I have to have at least a little respect for someone to argue with them.
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More than that, you'd need to have some credible means of backing up your claims. This wouldn't be the first time you've come up quite empty on that score. I expect it will be a long wait for you to point to where STeven was attacking Jim. Like, reeeeaaaalllly long. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath. You may now return to digging that hole....

Roger
 
Kohai999 said:
I got huge stones, Mike.....I'll be speaking with him in a little bit, after I get to making some money, and will be sure to report back exactly what is said, word for word.

You are accusing me a third time of lying without substantiating the first or second lie....this is getting old.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Jim has my back, I have his. We would never acuse each other of lying. We know each other too well, and have too much respect for each other.
That kinda leaves one other there Steven!
 
I would like to take a moment to apologize to every one here.

I started this post in order to honor Bob Loveless, and Jim Merritt. And thank them for all they have done for me as well.

I started to post in the beginning, that I would not be responding to the thread. Why?

Because I knew there were three people here on the forum that would attack. As they always do.

But unfortunately, the replies were so kind, and respectful I decided to reply.

My mistake!

I notice that two of the three expected attackers had shown themselves in short order. The third has joined in. Unbelievably low class. I guess it just goes to prove, you cant' buy common decency.

To all the kind replies, we thank you. I told Jim of the many nice replies as well.
I posted the same post on other Knife forums, and the replies were wonderful. Not one attacker. None of Bob. None to Jim. None to me.
Nothing appreciation and thanks.

I have received a number of e-mails here at the house, telling me how sorry they are that the three people here are so rude. More that one is telling me they hardly come to BF any longer because of the same three people turning most threads into, as one put pissing contest.

It's a shame. I'm sure I'll see Steven and the others at a Show one day soon. Perhaps they will not be quite so arrogant face to face. Its' a lot easier to work out differences face to face. It has no business here on a Knife forum.

I sure enjoyed the business more when I was unaware of all the politics, and back stabbing. Those were Great Days!

Mike
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