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Yea...I did. Firstly, I think it was directed at a civil action. Secondly, both your quote and the one you're referring to are jumping the gun. This will never be decided in a criminal court and will likely never reach a civil court. Its likely just at the level where civil court fees become a worthwhile investment.

I agree, my statement was just confirming....he's guilty as sin, and TT should pay a full refund. Court of law doesn't apply, a community of knife ethousiast...with good faith, honesty, and integrity in all dealings does apply.
 

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I see a seller that made a mistake and a buyer that asked for unsafe shipping method to save money. Both at fault. Let them resolve it or not.

It seems there are a couple people posting here that have taken up the fight for the buyer. Push the rock off your hole and go out and enjoy life.

I'll still buy from and sell to TT. I believe he shipped the blade as promised. I deem him to be trustworthy.
Even with proof it shipped, the shipping method requested by the buyer would not have shown any proof of receipt of goods on the buyers end. Buyer to a huge risk, blade was probably stolen or confiscated, and now he's trying to recoup his loss on a technicality.
 
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Huh? I've shipped internationally more than a few times. The customs form is on carbon paper, and you definitely get to keep (two, I think) at least one of the pieces. Can't imagine that your PO would be any different than mine in that respect, but it's possible.

This isn't directed at TT. Just more of a general WTF than anything. Never filled out a customs form that I didn't get a carbon copy of.

Ditto on this. I've shipped internationally for many years, sending things to friends, gf, etc. I always have received a copy of the customs form. I only ship USPS internationally as well. This gave me a bit of a head turn.
 

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I happen to see an interesting trend of circumstances here. TT has two knives that go missing in the mail. One is the topic of this thread, the other to another forum member. In this case, he can not provide one ounce of proof of shipment. He then attempts to aviod the buyer and does nothing for 5 months to resolve. After feedback here and it being in the open with considerable postings he decides a month later (with still no proof of shipment) he offers to refund half of the money. In the other case, buyer does not get that knife either - in US might I add, and instead of giving the refund to the buyer himself; he makes him have to go through a paypal dispute. One could take some of the other facts/stories gained in this thread and suggest a more tangled web; but I will not. We should just stick to what we know for sure. Hey, if some of you want to say he is a standup guy and you would still deal with him - go ahead - good luck. That is what FB is for; people make their own call. Me - no way.
 

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It seems there are a couple people posting here that have taken up the fight for the buyer. Push the rock off your hole and go out and enjoy life.

Bwana1 says:TT's actions, history, lack of response, illegal Customs transaction, and no proof of shipment...speak for themselves...BAD. If you're a TT Fanboy, that's great & I wish you luck in the future. But if he burns you, please don't post on GB&U whining about lost money :)

I believe he shipped the blade as promised. I deem him to be trustworthy.
Even with proof it shipped, the shipping method requested by the buyer would not have shown any proof of receipt of goods on the buyers end.

Bwana1 says:You're "belief" is irrelavant...proof must be produced, he has none FACT...He also doesn't even have the HALF refund in available funds ? It was his sale, buyers wishes on shipping method...irrelavant again, it cancels the deal :)
 
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You're "belief" is irrelavant...proof must be produced, he has none FACT...He also doesn't even have the HALF refund in available funds ? It was his sale, buyers wishes on shipping method...irrelavant again, it cancels the deal :)

I don't entirely agree with the last bit. If the buyer was made aware (in plain language) that his method of shipping will result in the seller refusing to take responsibility for the item getting lost then that's up to the buyer. This is one of the reasons that I think contract law should be taught in most schools. If I tell you "I will not be responsible for what happens to this after it leaves the US" and provide proof of shipping then I don't see how I can be held accountable. It also encourages the buyer to select a method of shipping thats a bit better then the cheapest possible method.
 
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Bwana brought up jail/fines/mail fraud etc. Those are criminal matters/punishments. I was refuting that statement. This is not productive, I'm done.

Yea...I did. Firstly, I think it was directed at a civil action. Secondly, both your quote and the one you're referring to are jumping the gun. This will never be decided in a criminal court and will likely never reach a civil court. Its likely just at the level where civil court fees become a worthwhile investment.
 
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I don't entirely agree with the last bit. If the buyer was made aware (in plain language) that his method of shipping will result in the seller refusing to take responsibility for the item getting lost then that's up to the buyer. This is one of the reasons that I think contract law should be taught in most schools. If I tell you "I will not be responsible for what happens to this after it leaves the US" and provide proof of shipping then I don't see how I can be held accountable. It also encourages the buyer to select a method of shipping thats a bit better then the cheapest possible method.

I agree 100%...but still no proof from TT....And doesn't have the 1/2 for refund either :(

Without going into needless details, I'm referring to a Buyer telling me to ship without insurance, or tracking/confirmation, etc...Documentation protects both parties, especially the Seller. If I can't prove he received the item...I'm screwed, if I don't have proof of shipment...I'm screwed.

To try to save money on shipment & insurance methods, is silly at best...especially high ticket items. TT could have just said "CONUS" only :)
 

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You're "belief" is irrelavant...proof must be produced, he has none FACT...He also doesn't even have the HALF refund in available funds ? It was his sale, buyers wishes on shipping method...irrelavant again, it cancels the deal :)

Kindly edit my quote that you added your silly attempt at humor to. This is not Whine & Cheese and those are not entirely my words. I suggest you attempt to govern yourself in a more mature manner. Thanks.
 
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Kindly edit my quote that you added your silly attempt at humor to. This is not Whine & Cheese and those are not entirely my words. I suggest you attempt to govern yourself in a more mature manner. Thanks.

My words are in BOLD RED, and pretty plain to see. I feel no need to "govern" myself Sir, just because we disagree.

I made the edit...and find NO silly humor in the TT situation :(

He's a thief till he pays up in full...(as muffled from my hole, couldn't move the rock)
 

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I've been staying out of this hoping things will turn out well.

I think I'm not the only one here that has come to this conclusion: I would never do business with TT because of his refusal to step up and do what's right.
 

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My words are in BOLD RED, and pretty plain to see. I feel no need to "govern" myself Sir, just because we disagree.

I made the edit...and find NO silly humor in the TT situation :(

He's a thief till he pays up in full...(as muffled from my hole, couldn't move the rock)

Haha. It took me a moment or two to figure out what he was talking about...

I don't think anyone would mistake the edits for something LMT said. Then again, we digress.
 
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I found this thread very interesting and never interfere with other peoples business but I feel that I must give my personal opinion because the way I see it it is black and white. Here it goes: 1. Both parties are at fault for cheating the system so I would not trust ethier of them. 2.There has to be one winner and one loser so in my opinion TT loses because he is the seller and should have known better not to cheat the system and needs to save hisshipping documentation. It seems pretty simple. TT you need to step up and do the right thing. I afraid you have lost your good name and the respect of all BF members. Why would you do that to yourself? It just doesnt make since. You should have taken care of your customer and your business. This should serve as a good lesson. Hopefully all sellers will now be aware of what happens if they cheat the system and dont keep proper documentation.
 
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Here is my final offer. I will refund half of the amount actually received. This was a standard PayPal transaction. I will send a USPS money order to a senior moderator on the forum or send the funds via PayPal gift to a moderator and they can go from there if willing.

$627.34 is what I received from Kroman on this transaction. I will pay 313.67
From where I sit, although not perfect, this is a legitimate attempt for SOME resolution.

I think it's been stated repeatedly that both parties are at fault to some degree. Forget about the percentage, which is subjective. This is the court of public opinion, not exacting law.

What's tangible is an actual cash redemption. Props for this at least.

I say support TT to follow through on this and stop the further harrassment, or nothing will be redeemed.

I may be wrong. :)

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From where I sit, although not perfect, this is a legitimate attempt for SOME resolution.

I think it's been stated repeatedly that both parties are at fault to some degree. Forget about the percentage, which is subjective. This is the court of public opinion, not exacting law.

What's tangible is an actual cash redemption. Props for this at least.

I say support TT to follow through on this and stop the further harrassment, or nothing will be redeemed.

I may be wrong. :)

Coop

I'd agree except for TT's statement below, he doesn't have any money for a refund....partial or full.

It isn't going to be this week that I even have the money. I was involved in a very costly MVA and have been off work for 2 weeks because of injury. Like others here I live paycheck to paycheck and my knife funds come from buying, selling and trading.
Zach
 

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Waiting for what exactly? I can’t believe the amount of posts in this thread. Do I think TT shipped the knife? Sure, I do. Did a customs agent pocket it? More than likely. This is the exact reason I don’t ship international unless I know you. Everything I ship, I snap a picture of the box and label after it’s been stamped at the PO with my phone. Sometimes you loose stuff and that was my backup to losing a receipt or tracking information. Honestly it’s the international community who will lose out on being able to buy knives based on threads like these. It scares people away from shipping outside the US even if done correctly.

TT is right about one thing. He did not come up with the shipping method on his own. I have been asked to ship things several times in a dishonest way. The difference is I said no. Even after saying no sometimes they begged and pleaded to do so. The answer was still no. If it were me I would take the hit and refund the guys money but not because there’s an internet forum lynch mob out to get me, but because it’s the right thing to do. At this point TT has been hung out to dry in an epic thread. By chastising him publicly here still now after almost 400 posts your not helping to get the other guys money back. If anything your pushing TT to just say FK it and walk. By him coming back here to post and defend himself he must care just a little at least. He’s come half way with it and told him he would refund half of it. To me that counts for something. He just needs to come full circle with it and be done.

I can imagine on a FF salary it could be extremely difficult to come up with the funds, but it is what it is.

So it comes down to if one he wants to do the right thing and two if he cares to still be part of the community after being stomped on by the mob. Let’s hope he does.
 

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If you have nothing to add and are only here to stir the pot, I recommend not posting.
 
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