He's out $300 more than your (or his) firefighter discount. How do you consider that a refund or resolution? You could still buy him the knife with his money and pocket $260 on it. Your lost knife is, well, your fault. I hate to see this but it is what it is. Do the right thing TT.
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He's out $300 more than your (or his) firefighter discount. How do you consider that a refund or resolution? You could still buy him the knife with his money and pocket $260 on it. Your lost knife is, well, your fault. I hate to see this but it is what it is. Do the right thing TT.
To me this is just a case study in how NOT to transact (internationally or otherwise). I am relatively confident that TT sent the knife out but he did drop the ball repeatedly. I don't think this warrants a ban (as the intent to defraud doesn't seem to be there) but its definitely a serious strike against TT.
What's galling to me is that TT keeps coming back to "let's split the cost of a firefighter discounted knife". Firstly, I am sure that that isn't the intent of the discount. I don't Rick intended the discount to be used by firefighters who screw up internet sales to rebound by using the discount. Secondly, why should Roman send TT any more money? I mean the guys been screwed out of cash already. His comfort level is likely zero at this point with TT. If TT used the discount to simply buy a replacement then perhaps I'd be less put off by this. But as it stands right now I can't say I'm convinced that TT reasonably wants this resolved. Its like kicking a guy in the nuts unprovoked and then offering to split the cost of a cup with him.
What's galling to me is that TT keeps coming back to "let's split the cost of a firefighter discounted knife". Firstly, I am sure that that isn't the intent of the discount. I don't Rick intended the discount to be used by firefighters who screw up internet sales to rebound by using the discount. Secondly, why should Roman send TT any more money? I mean the guys been screwed out of cash already. His comfort level is likely zero at this point with TT. If TT used the discount to simply buy a replacement then perhaps I'd be less put off by this. But as it stands right now I can't say I'm convinced that TT reasonably wants this resolved. Its like kicking a guy in the nuts unprovoked and then offering to split the cost of a cup with him.
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Here is my final offer. I will refund half of the amount actually received. This was a standard PayPal transaction. I will send a USPS money order to a senior moderator on the forum or send the funds via PayPal gift to a moderator and they can go from there if willing. My reason for this clause is that I know I sent a XM18 to Roman in Russia. Maybe it was lost or maybe he has it I don't know. I do know that sent it and don't feel like loosing anymore on this. I am also willing to send a moderator a copy of the Arizona Custom Knives invoice from my original purchase of this knife. Like I have said before it was not purchased on my fire discount. Some of you may know that Rick doesn't always have knives ready to be shipped out. I have bought and sold several hinderers that were not purchased from Rick.
It isn't going to be this week that I even have the money. I was involved in a very costly MVA and have been off work for 2 weeks because of injury. Like others here I live paycheck to paycheck and my knife funds come from buying, selling and trading. I cringe at the thought of putting knives up for sale after all of this. That would be the quickest way to get money to pay him. After a 1000+ posts and piles of transactions I hope people understand somewhat.
$627.34 is what I received from Kroman on this transaction. I will pay 313.67
I understand all of the issues. Regardless of all of it the buyer still requested a low declared value. I would not have been able to collect the actual valued amount of item. I would not have been able to purchase high value insurance with registered mail and tracking in the manner in which Roman requested it shipped the way it was shipped. If he has purchased other knives he would know if he wanted point by point tracking that he would have to pay for it. I made it clear that international shipping would be extra he chose not to pay extra.
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It isn't going to be this week that I even have the money. I was involved in a very costly MVA and have been off work for 2 weeks because of injury. Like others here I live paycheck to paycheck and my knife funds come from buying, selling and trading. I cringe at the thought of putting knives up for sale after all of this. That would be the quickest way to get money to pay him. After a 1000+ posts and piles of transactions I hope people understand somewhat.
$627.34 is what I received from Kroman on this transaction. I will pay 313.67
I understand all of the issues. Regardless of all of it the buyer still requested a low declared value. I would not have been able to collect the actual valued amount of item. I would not have been able to purchase high value insurance with registered mail and tracking in the manner in which Roman requested it shipped the way it was shipped. If he has purchased other knives he would know if he wanted point by point tracking that he would have to pay for it. I made it clear that international shipping would be extra he chose not to pay extra.
Zach
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Onlooker96 and others I need our situation with the negative feedback addressed as well. So we might as well do it here.
Please be clear that you got a full refund from PayPal which was the proper channel on this. Also you didn't follow directions in my thread and that led to quite a bit of confusion on my part and I had to part with 2 amazing knives because of it. Much like this situation both parties at fault.
I want the record straight no hard feelings on my end. USPS has gotten an earful lately from me.
FYI PayPal will only insure through PayPal click and ship so I got double hosed on this one. The post office lady said that I put them in the already scanned bin. Which I didn't but still doesn't explain where my stuff has gone lately. I have also been having Netflix issues as well.
I was also unable to do anything with the now six month old customs number unfortunately. I had forgotten to post that. If this is a ban offense I am truly sad. I have put time and effort to make myself a good member of this community.
Thanks for listening, those that are.
USPS shipping is down right now. I want to get an estimate with it going to Russia priced full value, shipped express mail. As an option if he wants a knife or if he wants the money
Zach
P.S. here is Russian shipping web page. I will gladly send knives to people I know and have good involvement. Andy the Aussie is a recent history international transaction. He requested the knife shipped full value and whatever was needed
Please be clear that you got a full refund from PayPal which was the proper channel on this. Also you didn't follow directions in my thread and that led to quite a bit of confusion on my part and I had to part with 2 amazing knives because of it. Much like this situation both parties at fault.
I want the record straight no hard feelings on my end. USPS has gotten an earful lately from me.
FYI PayPal will only insure through PayPal click and ship so I got double hosed on this one. The post office lady said that I put them in the already scanned bin. Which I didn't but still doesn't explain where my stuff has gone lately. I have also been having Netflix issues as well.
I was also unable to do anything with the now six month old customs number unfortunately. I had forgotten to post that. If this is a ban offense I am truly sad. I have put time and effort to make myself a good member of this community.
Thanks for listening, those that are.
USPS shipping is down right now. I want to get an estimate with it going to Russia priced full value, shipped express mail. As an option if he wants a knife or if he wants the money
Zach
P.S. here is Russian shipping web page. I will gladly send knives to people I know and have good involvement. Andy the Aussie is a recent history international transaction. He requested the knife shipped full value and whatever was needed
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This is interesting to read. I was trying to find a customs calculator. No luck yet. I am to tired for google
http://www.expatinfodesk.com/news/2...s-mean-hefty-customs-charges-for-expatriates/
2 reasons why I asked if Roman if he wanted it labeled and sent used camping tool. I did not suggest value.
1. Everyone on here knows that plenty of dealers and all levels of members do it
here because others are doing it doesn't make it right it just sets a standard.. How else would I have known to do it? I of course will not send internationally without all safety measures again.
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2. Shipping as a used camping tool offers anonymity. I was told by PayPal that was fine. The knife labeled full value of course.
PayPal and one of the ladies at the USPS counter said having knife on a Russian bound package is the same as saying steal me!
I am currently loosing sleep on this when I need to be resting to pay bills.
Read up and respond if it a constructive criticism. Email is best, tapatalk doesn't always work and I am swamped getting started up for tourist season, wildland season and break up flooding. So quick emails are easiest to do. We don't have 3G yet where I live so the regular web site takes forever to do on my phone.
Thanks for listening to my ramble.
http://www.expatinfodesk.com/news/2...s-mean-hefty-customs-charges-for-expatriates/
2 reasons why I asked if Roman if he wanted it labeled and sent used camping tool. I did not suggest value.
1. Everyone on here knows that plenty of dealers and all levels of members do it
here because others are doing it doesn't make it right it just sets a standard.. How else would I have known to do it? I of course will not send internationally without all safety measures again.
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2. Shipping as a used camping tool offers anonymity. I was told by PayPal that was fine. The knife labeled full value of course.
PayPal and one of the ladies at the USPS counter said having knife on a Russian bound package is the same as saying steal me!
I am currently loosing sleep on this when I need to be resting to pay bills.
Read up and respond if it a constructive criticism. Email is best, tapatalk doesn't always work and I am swamped getting started up for tourist season, wildland season and break up flooding. So quick emails are easiest to do. We don't have 3G yet where I live so the regular web site takes forever to do on my phone.
Thanks for listening to my ramble.
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I have sold one I got direct. When you gotta pay a bill. You know that a Hinderer will help you. I have several that were purchased before joining fire service also some purchased from forums and the bay.
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Everyone is correct to leave firefighting out of this. I didn't decide on being a volunteer to purchase
Hinderer knives. It was a poor choice of words and trying to use it as my get out of jail free is not cool. I apologize for that portion of this.. It has no relevance except that it is a profession for helping people.
I don't want to loose my ability to buy Hinderer knives over this.
TT here is some constructive criticism, of the entire transaction.
TT, this whole deal was bad....but your choice(you were the Seller). You HAVE to provide full refund. Maybe he got the knife(but you have no shipping proof). If you had proof, I'd be in your corner...but without it, you pay the price for NO DOCUMENTATION.
Do I "think" you shipped the knife ? Yes I do...but in a US court of law, you lose...probably Mail Fraud/fines/jail. In a Russian court of law, think bed springs and a 12volt car battery
Here is my final offer. I will refund half of the amount actually received. My reason for this clause is that I know I sent a XM18 to Roman in Russia. Maybe it was lost or maybe he has it I don't know.
So, take it or leave it...not exactly a negotiation of comprimise ?
I do know that sent it and don't feel like loosing anymore on this.
It isn't going to be this week that I even have the money. I was involved in a very costly MVA and have been off work for 2 weeks because of injury. Like others here I live paycheck to paycheck and my knife funds come from buying, selling and trading.
You make a lame settlement offer, and don't even have the money ? Your financial matters, aren't related to morality...you owe the full refund.
I cringe at the thought of putting knives up for sale after all of this. That would be the quickest way to get money to pay him. After a 1000+ posts and piles of transactions I hope people understand somewhat.
I'm sure you doby doing the right thing(full refund), your reputation would be repaired. If not, "the lesser of 2 evils, is still evil"
I understand all of the issues. Regardless of all of it the buyer still requested a low declared value. I would not have been able to collect the actual valued amount of item. I would not have been able to purchase high value insurance with registered mail and tracking in the manner in which Roman requested it shipped the way it was shipped.
Zach
You STILL are missing the valid point, YOUR SALE/YOUR RULES. You choose the rules as the seller, and take responcibility for the transaction
When you gotta pay a bill. You know that a Hinderer will help you.
Obviously you're right, whether you shipped it or not....you have the money from the sale...but currently are broke ?
Everyone is correct to leave firefighting out of this. It was a poor choice of words and trying to use it as my get out of jail free is not cool. I apologize for that portion of this.. It has no relevance except that it is a profession for helping people.
I don't want to loose my ability to buy Hinderer knives over this.
You're right, it carries ZERO water with me:thumbdn:So you intend to continue tobuy(at a discount) and resale
TT, this whole deal was bad....but your choice(you were the Seller). You HAVE to provide full refund. Maybe he got the knife(but you have no shipping proof). If you had proof, I'd be in your corner...but without it, you pay the price for NO DOCUMENTATION.
Do I "think" you shipped the knife ? Yes I do...but in a US court of law, you lose...probably Mail Fraud/fines/jail. In a Russian court of law, think bed springs and a 12volt car battery
I dont understand how a post office in a town with a population of 6000 has lost so many packages. I've mailed over 1000 packages in the last 2 years in a city of 450,000 and every single one got to where it was going.
I guess i'll avoid sending anything to Homer, Alaska.
I guess i'll avoid sending anything to Homer, Alaska.
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Your offer of resolution has done as much to harm your reputation as the rest of the interactions thus far IMO. You cannot provide proof, you owe the gentleman a full refund. There should be no other way around this. I'm sad to say that I don't feel that I would ever do business with you based solely on how you have set demands for resolution, as well as your attitude toward taking somebodies money once and then demanding he send more money to make your error right. He should send NOTHING to anybody over this, as you have received full payment, and cannot prove your end was completed. To me this is a black and white issue, and you are in the wrong.
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The burden of proof is on the state. You might be correct under civil proceedings, but you're inaccurate here. Jail time.... yeah, right. You've established "reasonable doubt" yourself.
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This is to TT. I have a question about shipping. When I send a knife I print my label and insure through the PO website. I can insure for what I want. Is this an option on international sales. I know in the past I have printed a label through PP but did not like the process and started using the PO website. Also I stopped dropping off packages in the drive through when one of my packages did not show up to the buyer. I refunded the buyer and got my money back from the PO but it did take me 2 months. Even though I still pay and print shipping labels I now wait in line and hand over the package and watch them scan it in and get a receipt. So I guess I'm asking why not print and pay through the PO and insure for any amount you want? You can even pay with your PP account.
The burden of proof?!? What are you talking about?
This isn't a criminal court. Nor would this escalate as far as that if it ever were to get in front of anyone in a position of authority. At best, this would be a civil matter and in that case its a toss up as to which way that'll go. There is no "state" involved here. None.
That said, this is a forum and folks here make a judgement as to whom to deal with and not based on their actions. This action on TT's side has marred his rep here. Period. Full stop.
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Read the quote I was responding to.
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Huh? I've shipped internationally more than a few times. The customs form is on carbon paper, and you definitely get to keep (two, I think) at least one of the pieces. Can't imagine that your PO would be any different than mine in that respect, but it's possible.
This isn't directed at TT. Just more of a general WTF than anything. Never filled out a customs form that I didn't get a carbon copy of.
Yea...I did. Firstly, I think it was directed at a civil action. Secondly, both your quote and the one you're referring to are jumping the gun. This will never be decided in a criminal court and will likely never reach a civil court. Its likely just at the level where civil court fees become a worthwhile investment.
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