two legged snake problems in the woods

We do a lot of tent camping in remote areas. Got to say that security is far far less of a problem out in the bush, than it is in any urban area! Out there, I only have a handfull of individuals to worry about, vs many many thousands in the city. Yes, being very remote can attract certain kinds of weirdos, but it also eliminates 99.9% of the rest of them.

The only seriously close call I have had was when I returned to a popular staging/fishing area after a winter ATV ride, to find a group of about 8 Mexican skinhead gangbanger looking dudes, beginning to break into the parked vehicles. It was windy and snowing hard, and I think they thought that offered them some cover....but I came roaring up and interupted their fun. All I had to do was face them, stick my hand in my fanny pack, and they got the picture very quickly! They jumped in their (yes) lowrider and left. Had no cell service out there to call 911, but later when I did I called in their license plate number.....
 
. Now I'm going to contradict myself some when I say this I do own bows & crossbows, I collect swords and other period weapons and have trained period fighting styles (think of it as western martial arts.) But, to me there is a skill and an art to use these and use them effectivly--any idiot can use a gun (I'm not calling anybody here an idiot, but many of you have relayed stories on this thread of said idiots.)



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Private citizens have no need for swords and they should be banned and confiscated for the common good because hoodlums use them---> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7139724.stm

Anyway a buddy of mine went to a friend's hunting camp and found it in disarray. The furniture was knocked over and he found some blood. He figured his buddy had finished butchering a deer inside for some reason, cleaned up the cabin and went to bed. The next morning he hunted, didn't see anything and left.

As he thought about it on the way home he became concerned that his friend had hurt himself, since it was a lot of blood. He stopped and rtied to call the friend with no response, he then called the friend's son who said his father was fine and had not been at the camp in weeks.

When he arrived home he heard on the news that the police were looking for several high school girls who had gone missing the day before. The light bulb went off over his head and he called the police.

The police eventually figured out that a friend of the guy who owned the cabin had kidnapped the girls the day before, taken them to the cabin, raped them, murdered them and then cut them up partially burned the bodies and threw the body parts around the woods, the murderer left and my buddy arrived on the scene a few hours later. They caught the guy and he's in prison.

My friend owned guns, including pistols, but rarely went armed and did not have a loaded firearm with him that day. You rarely seem without a 1911 now.
 
The only people problem that i encountered that comes to mind is... I was bird hunting and decided to step into the forest and check out a couple miles of terrain when i came upon a five star pentagram cut into the earth containing a dog with it's throat slit on each point (5 dogs in all) and a goat hanging upside down directly above the center also with it's throat slit allowing it's blood to drain into the center from above while the dog's blood was offered from the points. needless to say the thought of my fully loaded pump 12 never came to mind as i stared for a few moments at the freshly offered animals, i got the heck outta there in a big hurry! foolishly i wandered into a cave to peek around and found evidence of people being there (fire pits etc.) and of course written on the rocky walls in blood was the words Satan's castle! I left and never returned and never even came to mind that a crime had been committed (butchered animals) that was about 20 years ago and i really wish i had called the police now that i look back on it as i may have saved the life of a fellow human being.
 
That's freaking twisted man.Hurting animals like that is plain wrong.You were right not to hang around there though.Those kind of people could be dangerous.
 
I use to be just fine in the woods with my Axe/Kuhkri, a Fixed Blade & a Vic Trekker. Then after coming upon a Meth Lab while at my local WMA, I started to rethink carrying a handgun. The increase in violent crime in our National Parks does not inspire confidence either.

Always hate when I hear someone say a Handgun is only for killing & any idiot can use one. A lot of things can be used for killing, handguns are just easier than others. Still comes down to the intent of the person. Handguns are also used in shooting competitions & for hunting.

Personally I like shooting handguns to see if I can hit things at distance or shoot tiny groups at bullseye targets. One of my favorite books is by Ed McGivern called Fast & Fancy Revolver Shooting. Mr. McGivern was no Super Commando Killing machine, just an amazingly gifted handgun shooter. Some of his records still stand today. I consider his shooting ability as much an art as I do a gifted fencer or martial artist.

Well said.
I'm glad you replied.
 
Bare Rib,

Do you NEED your swords? How many do you NEED? I for one would hate to live in a world where the only acceptable reason for owning anything was need. As to your being educated about firearms, well, not so much. I was fortunate enough to have as one of my professors a very bright man named Gary Kleck. Dr. K was of the opinion that firearms in the home were more likely to injure or kill a family member than an intruder and he set out to prove it. In fact he ended up proving the exact opposite and was enough of a true scientist to say so and publish his results. There were and continue to be many such scientists with integrity who consistently show the value of our 2nd A. as well as many daily actual life examples. While I certainly have issues with the NRA, you can open up any of their monthly publications and find at least one page of news blurbs wherein good guys used firearms to successfully defend themselves. In fact, much like this thread, many of said good guys were able to save themselves and their families without harming anyone including the bad guys.

You may be right that most handguns are designed for killing people but that is a misleading statement. If you are being attacked or threatened bodily, defending yourself is the logical and sane thing to do. Some people who would do you harm will not be deterred by anything short of death. Yes guns like swords are designed for killing but if killing were the only use neither is hardly the most efficient tool to accomplish that end. Both are designed to be carried far more than used. If killing were the sole objective, any number of things are useful for that, like cars, airplanes, bombs, WMDs, poisons..... you get the drift. Or, maybe not.
 
This will probably open up a can of worms.

1. Guns are made to kill things, and I don't like to killing things. Now I'm going to contradict myself some when I say this I do own bows & crossbows, I collect swords and other period weapons and have trained period fighting styles (think of it as western martial arts.) But, to me there is a skill and an art to use these and use them effectivly--any idiot can use a gun (I'm not calling anybody here an idiot, but many of you have relayed stories on this thread of said idiots.)
Well, first of all, it does make you a hypocrite. Sorry, there's no nice way to say it.
Second, this nation was founded by firearm wielding men. Being a rifleman/pistoleer, IS the American martial art.
Third, you're not as well educated as you think if you think that firearms do not require, as you say, "a skill and an art to use these and use them effectivly." Yes, any idiot can use a gun, but not effectively. Any idiot can use a sword/bow/crossbow, but not effectively.
Fourth, I find it funny that with modern medical care, someone shot has a decent chance of surviving. It's well known that knives/swords/arrows and bolts are more lethal typically than gunshot wounds becaus ethey slice flesh, not allowing it to close in on itself like it tend to do with a gunshot wound. So you prefer the more lethal weapons, although firearms offend you because they kill people. . .

2. I dislike handguns more than other types of firearms as handguns (at least the vast majority) are designed to kill people, and I don't think that there is a need for the average citizen to be able to own handguns.
No, they are designed to protect people where other people have forbidden them to carry more effective long arms. They are also better at protecting yourself in close quarters, such as your house.
Another gap in your education -- handguns are almost universally seen as defensive weapons and rifles as offensive weapons. Some countries such as Turkey, allow citizens to carry pretty much any handgun they want, but forbid them owning rifles. Rifles can overthrow a government, handguns can defend a citizen. You're offended by the wrong thing.
Another thing you fail to recognize is that the vast majority or reported incidents where a gun was "used" to defend oneself, the gun is never fired. It's mere presence ends the encounter.
I'm certain that some of my encounters would not have gone so well had I not been visibly armed.
BTW, Re: killing people. Handguns are used for hunting all the time. Anything that can be hunted with bows and crossbows (which is everything) can be hunted with handguns. They generally have the same range limitations (other than the single shots that fire rifle cartridges). Before you try to limit the TYPE of handgun, keep in mind a lot of people hunt fairly good sized animals with Glock 20s (10mm). So even the "tactical mankiller" guns are hunting guns. Ask Mr. Zumbo.

See I think required gun courses are a great idea. We make people go thru a courseand testing to get a drivers liscence and a gun is just as dangerous if not more-so than a car (I say this only becasue you can fit a car in your pants; statistically more people are probably killed by cars per year than guns)
Do you also support required courses be required before you can own knives, swords, crossbows, etc? After all, knives can be carried in the pants, swords under a coat. . .More people are killed by knives than guns. More people are killed by swimming pools than knives (let's restrict/ban swimming pools. I see no reason why a civilian needs to own a swimming pool in the first place.). While we're at it, let's ban screwdrivers, they are the weapon of choice with many ne'er do wells. Perhaps screwdriver's licenses? Because licensing works, right?

We license cars, yet cars kill more than all of the above, combined.
We license doctors to practice (practice!!) medicine, yet doctors kill more patients each year than guns OR knives. Let's ban doctors.
Cars and doctors, two examples of licensing that doesn't save lives.

You know, I have no problem with you not liking them, nor with you not wanting to own them. But when you want to restrict others, that's where the problem lies.
 
We do a lot of tent camping in remote areas. Got to say that security is far far less of a problem out in the bush, than it is in any urban area! Out there, I only have a handfull of individuals to worry about, vs many many thousands in the city. Yes, being very remote can attract certain kinds of weirdos, but it also eliminates 99.9% of the rest of them.

The only seriously close call I have had was when I returned to a popular staging/fishing area after a winter ATV ride, to find a group of about 8 Mexican skinhead gangbanger looking dudes, beginning to break into the parked vehicles. It was windy and snowing hard, and I think they thought that offered them some cover....but I came roaring up and interupted their fun. All I had to do was face them, stick my hand in my fanny pack, and they got the picture very quickly! They jumped in their (yes) lowrider and left. Had no cell service out there to call 911, but later when I did I called in their license plate number.....

Wonderful.:rolleyes:

The nice people at a local church thought it would be a great idea to move a "Mens Home" into my community. Of course everyone just got out of the joint and still carries the demeanor of it. For the first time since I moved here (3 years ago from NV) I felt like a potential victim because I had to check my CCW at the door.:(
 
Well, Ted Kennedy's driving skills have killed more folk(s) than me and all of my friends put together have with our firearms. Hey, and I am a native NY-er - and I think folks aren't necessarily born with the right to 'bear arms' forever... we need background checks! Of course, pass that - be of majority age - and buy a firearm. CCL? A deeper background & character check. Here in Jefferson County, AL, the sheriff won his election by promising to bring the CCL fee down from $20 to $7.50/yr - I appreciate that. Now, a hunting license... that SHOULD require some evidence of training.

I retired as a college instructor years ago - and, most recently, worked as a part time RO at a public shooting range - until I had enough of the 'close calls'. Folks could go to Wally World or a local 'Academy' chain and buy whatever the latest ultra short-super-dooper-magnum rifle & scope they wanted - then out to a shooting stand by a baited field to ambush/bushwhack whatever moved there. To 'hunt', by definition and historically, means to search or persue your game - that's what this Brooklyn-boy did when visiting his cousins in Alabama many, many years ago. I wouldn't set foot in the woods around here now during 'hunting' season.

I am a 'gun nut', I suppose. I lay waste to paper targets - and metal plates - at a distance, too - with a mix of revolvers, firing my homebrew ammo. I resisted the temptation to buy 'protection' for a long time, finally buying a 'pocket protector', a S&W Airweight 642 .38, just this year. Sure, I had home protection - even an AirLite 296 .44 Special - but nothing 'pocketable' - the R. Mika's holster made that form of carry possible with both revolvers - legally, too, as I had possessed a CCL for years. That 'ability' may have saved my bacon this fall - in the 'urban jungle'.

I was in a new Wally World with my wife back in October, when a 'gang banger' started shadowing me - not looking at products, just me. He was coming down an aisle, about to corner me against a wall, when my wife hollered a question - alerting me to another one coming down the adjacent aisle next to me. I backed up against the wall - my right hand went into the pocket to retrieve the 642 as I faced the older & larger one - with the meanest look I could muster. He nodded at his 'pal' - and they fled. My wife was in shock... I followed them as fast as I could, experiencing a bit of a light-headedness myself, and saw a large, blue, older Ford sedan driving too rapidly away from the front of the store as I made it to the door. I took my wife home, returned a couple of days later and related the story to the area & store managers - who apologized and thanked me, promising to review the 'tapes'. I suggested they put another camera back there.

I 'carry' now at church, when checking the mail, etc. It aint a nice place any more! When my kids were young - and we hiked, backpacked, and tent-camped in The Smokies - all I ever carried a SAK. Sure, back then, I saw what I assumed were wild boars - or some damn ugly dogs - and black bears. I shot them repeatedly - with Panatomic-X in my Canon. I never saw a snake there - found baby rattlers and copperheads in my yard, however. Relocated the copperheads... killed the rattlers. I guess camping now in The Smokies would mean breaking a Federal law - I'd have to carry now... two legged predators are everywhere.

Stainz
 
barerib, the 2nd ammendment protects the rights of everyone to keep and bare arms ( including crossbows,swords, and knives) .you are picking apart the constitution to fit your needs like alot of the anti gun , knife haters out there. it is all or nothing when it comes to the constitution . what would you do if you lost your rossbow and knife rights?
 
On the lighter side, most remote encounters are pleasant, sometimes funny.

We were jump shooting ducks on remote desert tanks (for watering cattle) and parked about a quarter mile from our favorite. The plan was to sneak the one ahead, then return to the 4WD and drive on to the next one and out the loop road. Before reaching the tank, we heard another 4WD rattling up the road near the tank.

We watched a couple of dozen mallard drakes and hens circle wide, gain altitude with the sun glinting green off of the drakes, heading for the big lake about three miles south. We dejectedly headed back to the truck. The other truck overtook us and stopped.

"Huntin?" the driver asked, and I answered "ducks." He offered "There was some back on the tank. All green. All of 'em big green ones, huh Bill" looking at his passenger. Bill answered "Yup. Every single one 'em green"! Then he thought for just a moment adding "'Cept for the brown ones".:D ss.
 
, what OTHER Rights would you require "training" before being able to exercise them?

Who pays for it ? .

The person buying the gun would pay the (WOW!) $80 fee(here in Canada) for the license which allows both handguns and long-guns.
Maybe, being the USA, you should be allowed to keep a gun in your HOUSE without requiring training, but to wander around the woods with a high-powered firearm and NO training?
Yeah, THAT sounds safe.:rolleyes:
Just look at the holes in the ceiling at the gun range from the supposedly "trained" cops, and tell me how great everyones shooting is going to be with NO training.
I want the hunters in the woods to be able to shoot their intended target and not me.
 
The person buying the gun would pay the (WOW!) $80 fee(here in Canada) for the license which allows both handguns and long-guns.
Maybe, being the USA, you should be allowed to keep a gun in your HOUSE without requiring training, but to wander around the woods with a high-powered firearm and NO training?.

Hunting is one of the safest sports there is. Why does a hunter getting shot make news? Because it's so rare, given the number of hunters out there.

Canada has NO Bill of Rights. The USA does. We fought for and won our independence using guns.

Canada gun laws SUCK in many, many ways. Sounds like you deserve 'em.

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Canada gun laws SUCK in many, many ways. Sounds like you deserve 'em.
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That was uncalled for and very jerkish. The US isn't great in some ways, but I don't enumerate them for you.
But back to the actual issue you were supposed to be addressing, $80 isn't much, especially compared to the amount spent on camping, hunting licenses, food, gas, etc., and it's a one time fee.
Training is always good(or is the case that untrained boxers beat up pros? I guess since training is bad surgeons shouldn't waste all that time in school.:rolleyes:)
Oh, by the way, we have less than half the shootings corrected for population than in the States. We ALSO have far less murders overall corrected for population.
Guess we're doing better than you guys in some ways(economically too:thumbup:).
 
stabman-Sounds like you have bought into a lot of PC bull$hit!

Just how PC is a name like stabman??? You use a knife in self-defense, and they find out your screen name is "stabman".....it isn't going to go very well for you.....

Former Canadian here!
 
stabman, TN and many other states require hunter's education before you can hunt. I've been carded numerous times on dove hunts here, and I had to have both a license and a hunters' ed card.

Anyone born on or after January 1, 1969 must possess proof that they have successfully completed a hunter education class before hunting in Tennessee.

http://www.twraregion4.org/TWRAHunterED/TWRAHuntersEDMain.htm
 
Stabman- all states have training incentives for hunters, mostly points for better odds in pemit drawings. What is objectional is a prerequisite to own what is a right in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Regulation is a creeping advance toward prohibition inch by inch. All it takes is a modification of requirements so it becomes almost impossible to have that right.

Many states have had to pass "must issue" amendments to avert the bureaucrats' reluctance to issue CCW permits that were defacto denials. I, too, stood by and let things go in small steps without opposition or comment. Now my two bird dogs sleep on the sofa.:) Regards, ss.
 
Anybody out there have any experience with woods jackasses?

A couple of years ago I was walking with my wife and daughter in a state forest where I had been orienteering a couple of weeks earlier. We spotted a snake by the stream and kept walking. When we returned several minutes later, some jackass was beating the snake to death with a stick. When I went over there and asked him what the hell he thought he was doing beating on an animal in a state forest, the only reason he could come up with was "It's a snake."

He started to get a little belligerent when I insisted he stop (and I didn't want to foul the water by drowning the idiot :D ) so I told him I was reporting him the the rangers and I walked away. I saw him walking away, too.

Now does anybody have a story that begins "I was beating this snake with a stick when this jackass walks up to me and..."? :D

I had to tell a guy to keep his poorly trained and ill-behaved dogs leashed one time, too. Those are the only times I've had problems with people in the woods.
 
stabman, TN and many other states require hunter's education before you can hunt. I've been carded numerous times on dove hunts here, and I had to have both a license and a hunters' ed card.

I got "grandfathered" in so didn't have to take the course. :eek: But I took it anyway and became an instructor. :) All five of my kids took the course and passed it. But we could KEEP AND BEAR ARMS without it. We just couldn't hunt.

Oh, and my Mother, now 81, didn't have to take a driver license test. Back then you paid fifty cents and that was it. We tease her calling her "Sears Roebuck" license! :D We have an enumerated right to travel unencumbered, but operating a motor vehicle is a privilidge requiring a privilidge license. So is hunting and fishing.

Codger
 
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