Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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Hi all. First off thanks to whoever unfroze my account to let me post.

#1 Dan you still haven't responded to any of my e-mails. So I don't know how I could have resolved this.

#2 I shipped the knife to your Italy address and it was seized by customs. I paid the fee to have it sent back to me and it finally arrived and was shipped to the US address within a week of it arriving back.
It took them over a month from the time I paid to get it out for them to even ship it. I see it was signed for at your US address already. Glad you posted to let everyone know.

#3 I did not include the damascus or the files in the package. Please contact me through my e-mail address since you wont respond to me when I e-mail you.

Just so people know the true chain of events here.....

Dan and I trade about 50 e-mails discussing what he'd like to have done to his knife. OK a bit of a pain to deal with and I should have backed out at that point, but oh well I decided to continue working on it.

The knife arrives. I order Damascus and some tools I will need to complete the work. So now I'm out on the project about 2 hours in correspondence time and $145 in damascus, checkering files and a specialized belt for my grinder i will need to preform the job. Never mind the long distance phone calls to order the materials and get some instruction on how to preform one part of the work i was unfamiliar with.

I inform Dan that I will begin work when I return from the blade show in Atlanta, and it will be done in about a week afterward. The day before I leave, he tells me to stop work hes changed his mind. ok..... Your going to have to pay me for shipping and my time and material costs. No responce...
While I'm at the show he sends me $60. I inform him that its not enough and give him a detailed price list. He refuses to pay.

I got hurt bad, and was laid up for well over 2 months I couldn't stand or sit due to a leg injury. During this time I have Dans knife shipped and figure ill just take a loss on it. It is seized by customs.

When this happened Dan finally sent me the money i was owed on the project.
I was extremal busy with work at the time and didn't feel any need to rush with getting his knife back, as he didn't see a rush to pay me.

Once I was caught up with work and back on track, I got the customs taken care of and on its way back. Once I received the knife the next time I went to the post office I shipped it to his US address.

So theres the whole story. Dans just blowing out his ass because he wouldn't pay up. If he would have paid up from the start it would have been a non issue.
I have to take fault on my own account for shipping the knife to Italy marked as a butterfly knife, causing it to get ceased. Also for not shipping it in a timely fashion once he said not to work on it. Unfortunately it just happened at a time when I was unable to communicate or access a computer at all.

RDT and I had a deal that went bad in the past, I would go into it but really don't see the point. I showed photo evidence of how he screwed me at the time so I dont need to recount it here.

The end result is Dan "has" his knife.
 
Kyle, along with his knife did you send Dan all the other stuff he paid for? If he hasn't gotten the other stuff then he shouldn't have had to pay for it.

I still think you handled this whole thing about as poorly as I have ever seen. From what I gather from your above post it looks like you think you were justified in doing things the way you did, other than purposely sending the knife in a way that would get it confiscated.

So Dan, do you have your knife as Kyle has stated?
 
It was signed for at his US address? :-) Gotta love it! Thanks for the update, one would have thought that ALREADY would have been mentioned here?? I guess there is a reason NO individual EVER, OTHER than DAN has had a theft issue with Eich as stated over and over !!! because NOTHING was ever STOLEN :-) Interesting to hear BOTH sides....If that wasnt enough INTEL to lock this one down.....then it is apparent it is nothing more than a "Reputation Bashing" AS it is obvious there was NO theft and mismanagment AT best ( If that!!! ). SOOO what now, should Eich have sent "The other" supplies to an individual that will/would not respond to him????? to be lost as well, Heck he claims he never got the knife AND it was signed for at his US address SO couldnt send supplies there right? OR should Eich be contacted properly for the rest of Dan's goods to be fowarded, then Dan pick his knife up at the US address that has signed for it and PUT this darn thing to bed? THEFT is a strong accusation we should be careful how it is used , it is a serious matter and NOT to be thrown about because 2 parties MIGHT have/had a personality conflict etc. :confused:
Thanks for clearing this up sir.

Loandr.
 
Parker said:
So sad, but predictable - anyone here care to speculate why he has not been excommunicated from that other place? Other than he was/ is their network/ tech support guy? Ethics have a funny way of getting blurred when you have a conflicting interest with the guy.

Thief. Liar. Con man. Valueless little piece of sh!t.

Keith, I'm with you, anytime anyone may ask about this, point em here or simply recount the story.

Kyle, you have no one to blame but you for this. Some really good folks have gone to bat for you, and you have let them look really bad in the process.
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Eich1911 said:
Hi all. First off thanks to whoever unfroze my account to let me post.

#1 Dan you still haven't responded to any of my e-mails. So I don't know how I could have resolved this.

#2 I shipped the knife to your Italy address and it was seized by customs. I paid the fee to have it sent back to me and it finally arrived and was shipped to the US address within a week of it arriving back.
It took them over a month from the time I paid to get it out for them to even ship it. I see it was signed for at your US address already. Glad you posted to let everyone know.

#3 I did not include the damascus or the files in the package. Please contact me through my e-mail address since you wont respond to me when I e-mail you.

Just so people know the true chain of events here.....

Dan and I trade about 50 e-mails discussing what he'd like to have done to his knife. OK a bit of a pain to deal with and I should have backed out at that point, but oh well I decided to continue working on it.

The knife arrives. I order Damascus and some tools I will need to complete the work. So now I'm out on the project about 2 hours in correspondence time and $145 in damascus, checkering files and a specialized belt for my grinder i will need to preform the job. Never mind the long distance phone calls to order the materials and get some instruction on how to preform one part of the work i was unfamiliar with.

I inform Dan that I will begin work when I return from the blade show in Atlanta, and it will be done in about a week afterward. The day before I leave, he tells me to stop work hes changed his mind. ok..... Your going to have to pay me for shipping and my time and material costs. No responce...
While I'm at the show he sends me $60. I inform him that its not enough and give him a detailed price list. He refuses to pay.

I got hurt bad, and was laid up for well over 2 months I couldn't stand or sit due to a leg injury. During this time I have Dans knife shipped and figure ill just take a loss on it. It is seized by customs.

When this happened Dan finally sent me the money i was owed on the project.
I was extremal busy with work at the time and didn't feel any need to rush with getting his knife back, as he didn't see a rush to pay me.

Once I was caught up with work and back on track, I got the customs taken care of and on its way back. Once I received the knife the next time I went to the post office I shipped it to his US address.

So theres the whole story. Dans just blowing out his ass because he wouldn't pay up. If he would have paid up from the start it would have been a non issue.
I have to take fault on my own account for shipping the knife to Italy marked as a butterfly knife, causing it to get ceased. Also for not shipping it in a timely fashion once he said not to work on it. Unfortunately it just happened at a time when I was unable to communicate or access a computer at all.

RDT and I had a deal that went bad in the past, I would go into it but really don't see the point. I showed photo evidence of how he screwed me at the time so I dont need to recount it here.

The end result is Dan "has" his knife.
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I am glad Kyle posted. Looks like things should settle down.
 
Eich1911 said:
Hi all. First off thanks to whoever unfroze my account to let me post.
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The Eich1911 account has never been frozen. If he tried to post and had any difficulty it wasn't at our end. Although we considered banning him at one point we decided to give him a custom user title instead.
 
loandr. said:
It was signed for at his US address? :-) Gotta love it! Thanks for the update, one would have thought that ALREADY would have been mentioned here?? I guess there is a reason NO individual EVER, OTHER than DAN has had a theft issue with Eich as stated over and over !!! because NOTHING was ever STOLEN :-) Interesting to hear BOTH sides....If that wasnt enough INTEL to lock this one down.....then it is apparent it is nothing more than a "Reputation Bashing" AS it is obvious there was NO theft and mismanagment AT best ( If that!!! ). SOOO what now, should Eich have sent "The other" supplies to an individual that will/would not respond to him????? to be lost as well, Heck he claims he never got the knife AND it was signed for at his US address SO couldnt send supplies there right? OR should Eich be contacted properly for the rest of Dan's goods to be fowarded, then Dan pick his knife up at the US address that has signed for it and PUT this darn thing to bed? THEFT is a strong accusation we should be careful how it is used , it is a serious matter and NOT to be thrown about because 2 parties MIGHT have/had a personality conflict etc. :confused:
Thanks for clearing this up sir.

Loandr.
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"Thanks for clearing this up sir." You have to be kidding, right? It seems, per Cougar, that the vendor could have posted the shipping numbers some time ago in this forum -- and still has not done so. Thus, it is his - belated and incomplete - story vs. his customer's. And we still await the numbers that allow checking the stories.
 
what ever works for you sir. no problem here :-) W'eve heard both sides ( each of us are free to agree or disagree with what we would like) Knife confirmed recieved (No proof need be posted?...thats been the vendor and buyer to deal with themselves, right) and rest of product ready to be sent when contacted (if i read correctly). Im glad all is much closer to conclusion for both parties that was all .
Loandr.
 
loandr. said:
what ever works for you sir. no problem here :-) W'eve heard both sides ( each of us are free to agree or disagree with what we would like) Knife confirmed recieved (No proof need be posted?...thats been the vendor and buyer to deal with themselves, right) and rest of product ready to be sent when contacted (if i read correctly). Im glad all is much closer to conclusion for both parties that was all .
Loandr.
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The vendor stated that he had been blocked from this forum -- attempting tp explain his failure over a period of weeks to respond. Cougar says that is not accurate -- that he was not blocked from responding.

The vendor stated that the knife had been delivered to the U.S. address supplied by the buyer. That has not been "confirmed." The buyer claims the knife was not received at the U.S. address. Therefore, there is a dispute as to the facts that could be resolved if the vendor would stop refusing to supply the shipping numbers OR if the buyer agrees that the knife was delivered to the U.S. address.

I seems that to you, anything said by the vendor, however belated, is truth -- his claims become "confirmed" facts. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on whatever basis it is reached. I and many here will reserve judgment.
 
Thank you for allowing my opinion?....anyhowww.... as said both sides have been stated and hopefully all is moving in the right direction. :-).
BBG
 
My father used to have a saying.
"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"
Served me well when it comes to dealing with people.
Randy
 
loandr. said:
It was signed for at his US address? :-) Gotta love it! Thanks for the update, one would have thought that ALREADY would have been mentioned here?? I guess there is a reason NO individual EVER, OTHER than DAN has had a theft issue with Eich as stated over and over !!! because NOTHING was ever STOLEN :-) Interesting to hear BOTH sides....If that wasnt enough INTEL to lock this one down.....then it is apparent it is nothing more than a "Reputation Bashing"
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Please point out to me where it has been posted that the knife has been signed for at the US address. Is this something that you got from the other forum? I really don't think this was a reputation bashing. Anyone that would purposely send a knife in a way that would get it confiscated by Customs deserves what he gets as far as bad feedback.

loandr. said:
Thanks for clearing this up sir.
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Kyle's post cleared up little as far as I am concerned. All it did was present his side of the story. All he did was blame Dan for the whole thing because Dan didn't send him the money right away. That is no excuse for what was done to Dan. What would Kyle have done if the knife had been keep when it was confiscated instead of being shipped back to him? That is not "mismanagement at best, (if that)". It is unethical and is also childish. Kyle was throwing a temper tantrum and getting even for Dan cancelling the order and not sending him money in what Kyle considered a timely manner.

loandr. said:
SOOO what now, should Eich have sent "The other" supplies to an individual that will/would not respond to him?????
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Yes, since Kyle was paid for them. You don't get to charge someone for something and then keep it. That is theft. Why do you think that Kyle should get to keep stuff that he has been paid for? If you paid someone for some damascus would you then think it was OK for that person to keep the damascus and the money? That's not how things work.
 
Chuck Bybee said:
Keith,

Who made you judge in this dispute?

Chuck
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I'm not the judge, but I made a personal judgement based on what has been posted here. If you think what Kyle did was right please say so.
 
Eich1911 said:
...I see it was signed for at your US address already....
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Posting tracking number here or on another forum would have saved you from the whole ordeal... And if you could not post here - I am sure you would find many people willing to post the number for you.

David
 
Just wanted to post that I received information today that confirms that the knife and only the knife was received by the person in the US that is Dan's intermediary. Although Dan will be getting his knife, I guess it is true that Kyle figures he has the right to take Dan's money and then not supply him with what he has paid for.

the45guy and Chuck, it's not to hard to judge this situation on the merits of what has been posted by both Dan and Kyle. If you don't think I'm being fair to Kyle that's fine. Remember that I posted that it was what I thought and it is what I think. You guys can think that Kyle keeping materials that don't belong to him is OK, and you can think that Kyle sending the knife to Dan in a way that was designed to get it confiscated is all right as well. That's up to you. Personally, I don't think either of those things is acceptable behaviour for an honorable person.
 
Keith you shure talk alot for not knowing one damn thing about the entire situation. What are you getting involved for anyway?
You want to be a moderator so bad on BF that your trying to get involved with everything?
I told him to contact me regarding the supplies, I didnt say i was keeping them jackass. So sit the **** down shut the **** up and stick your damn thumb up your ass and wait for the next thread to post on.

I said I take the balme for the deal gone bad allready in the post. I laid out what happend to the best of my abilities. So keep bumping it back up to the top for the next year for all I care dickhead.

I tryed to access BF 3 or 4 times to respond to this thread and got the you do not have permission to post error. So at some point I had my access removed.

Ive also contacted dan to inform him the status of his knife without a responce. So when he sends me an e-mail Ill beable to finish the deal.
 
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