Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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TOMBSTONE said:
I didn't assume anything has been sent, I'm just saying it could have been.Just like it may not have been sent to Dan's contact and just directly to Dan in Italy like the knife originally as a possible scenerio,again just speculating.
I don't know,just like we don't know it has not been sent.Like I said before,I don't see btt'ing the thread resolving it and belittleing the USN or it's members to help push a resolution. Dan with his knife back and no supplies may be the conclusion to this deal.As a result,you can decide not to do business with Eich if you choose,but leave the "other" forum out of the transaction.
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Sir,
In post #416, you said:
"Probably Sent the stuff back,and doesn't want anymore to do with the situation or communicating with Dan might be a possible scenerio that has taken place,I don't know for sure."

Saying "Probably..." pretty much implies a conclusion has been made.
 
Kit Carson said:
Chiro,
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I would imagine that there are lots of people that call themselves knifemakers on forums and web sites, but that doesn't make them a knifemaker.
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:eek::eek: ....................!! Anybody we know?;):D
 
faramir said:
If you think stealing from one person is right just because you haven't stolen from other 800 (or 6 billion) you're just as big of a scumbag as Kyle.
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I didnt say stealing was right , I just wanted you to look at the whole picture. I am not convinced there was any theft... I was not involved in the deal , Dan and Eich were.

But you feel to read it however you want. You don't know me either , but feel to label me as a scumbag if it makes you feel better about yourself.

I could call you a ton of crap as a comeback , but I have never met you nor have any idea who or what you are about so I will leave it at that.

Just remember life isn't like a box of chocolate but more like a jar of jalepenos , what you eat today can burn your a$$ tomorrow.
 
the45guy said:
Just remember life isn't like a box of chocolate but more like a jar of jalepenos , what you eat today can burn your a$$ tomorrow.
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I like that!!!

I have never heard that before and have just added it to my list of proverbial proverbs. I hated that box of choclates bullshiit, this one's a winner!!:D
 
This thread has been going on so long it seems some people have forgotten what the issue is. If you go back to the beginning you'll see: Dr. Dan originally sent a knife to Kyle Eichenseer (DrDan and Eich1911 here) to be customized. He canceled the order before the work was started and asked for the return of his knife. Eichenseer said he had spent $200 for supplies to do the job with and demanded to be paid that before he would return Dan's knife. Dan paid the $200 and Eichenseer sent the knife but not the supplies. The last time he posted on Bladeforums (three months ago) he said he was awaiting email from Dan before sending the supplies. I pointed out that although apparently neither party could receive email from the other there was no need for it; Eichenseer could read this thread and he already knew the address to send it to.

That was three months ago. I've left out a bunch of details, Eichenseer's explanation of why it took so long between the time he was paid the $200 to when he delivered the knife, the discussion about what supplies could possibly be worth $200, etc., because the details don't matter. Eichenseer was paid the $200 he claimed to have spent on materials, a long time ago, and he has not delivered it or posted any explanation for not delivering.

This gets sent back to the top periodically by some members who do the same thing with other unresolved transactions. Unlike Reif, Corkum, Blade, etc., Eichenseer has defenders who make excuses for him and make counter-accusations against Dr. Dan and anybody else they can think of, so this thread ends up being more prominent than most....
 
This gets sent back to the top periodically by some members who do the same thing with other unresolved transactions. Unlike Reif, Corkum, Blade, etc., Eichenseer has defenders who make excuses for him and make counter-accusations against Dr. Dan and anybody else they can think of, so this thread ends up being more prominent than most....[/QUOTE]

TRUE THAT! though I may be guilty of that as well. :o ;)
 
As an active member of both forums, and someone who likes both forums, I should probably stay out of this, but, I'm dumb that way. :)

It sure seems to me that what started out as a legit thread/complaint about a bad deal has turned into little more than a venue for people who have felt slighted by the USN in the past to publicly get their feelings about USN known, something that until this thread, they were unable to do publicly.

I have no problem with people like Keith BTTT'ing it, if subsequent posts are about the deal between Dan and Kyle, but, invariably, the new posts are more about why people don't like USN and the way it's run than about Dan and his issue with Kyle, in fact, Dan hasn't posted in quite some time, certainly he is free and able to do so if he wants to, I believe that he doesn't need people to do it on his behalf, nor does anybody need the inter-forum bashing that is undeniably taking place here. What was once a thread about a valid complaint has become something else.

If someone tomorrow started a thread titled: "Why USN Sucks", how fast would it be locked, pretty fast, since BF policy is to not allow obvious forum bashing to take place, and yet, while this thread began as a complaint about a particular person, something this sub-forum is meant for, the fact that along with posts about the actual issue at hand between the 2 parties, comes a significant amount of forum bashing, well, that seems to be against BF policy and counterproductive, assuming that you believe forum bashing is a bad thing.

Things are tense enough between the 2 forums without this thread adding fuel to the fire, I honestly think at this point, as Tombstone has said repeatedly, it has served its purpose, Kyle is not about to change his attitude at this point, so, all that the continuation of the thread does achieve, is seemingly perpetual forum bashing, and increased bad feelings between the 2 forums, which cannot be good for either forum in the longrun.
 
sheltot said:
Sir,
In post #416, you said:
"Probably Sent the stuff back,and doesn't want anymore to do with the situation or communicating with Dan might be a possible scenerio that has taken place,I don't know for sure."

Saying "Probably..." pretty much implies a conclusion has been made.
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I'm just speculating of the possibilities.I as well as you, really don't know jack S*** for sure.I just see alot of negative comments made about other forums and it's members which alot of us are members of both places.At this point I don't care anymore what someone does with this thread.I've said all I'm gonna say,do what you will.
 
Megalobyte said:
..... Kyle is not about to change his attitude at this point....
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So this thread must warn others not to do business with him.

And why is the other forum mentioned that often? Maybe because he is hiding there and the rest is either with him or banned (I got only 2 negative reputation points from him so I consider myself lucky).

David
 
the45guy said:
I didnt say stealing was right , I just wanted you to look at the whole picture. I am not convinced there was any theft... I was not involved in the deal , Dan and Eich were.
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I am looking at the whole picture presented - Kyle stole $200+ and cannot even be bothered to prove otherwise, even though it would be trivial to do if he had really sent the money. You condone that theft. So what exactly is it that i am missing from the 'whiole picture' ?

How does not-stealing from others make stealing from somebody else right ? Why not present the scan/photo of the receipt or tracking number to Dan (or any of the moderators here, i'm absolutely sure they're impartial and would close this thread immediately if this issue was resolved) and put this to rest once and for all ? Because there apparently is no such receipt or a tracking number out there, that's why.

But you feel to read it however you want. You don't know me either , but feel to label me as a scumbag if it makes you feel better about yourself.
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The fact that i don't steal from others is what makes me good about myself. The fact that i don't support thieves makes me feel good about myself. Knowing that i'm nothing like you makes me feel good about myself. What do i know about you ? You are supporting and covering for a thief - that speaks volumes about you. Besides, in your own words you had nothing more to add to this thread (it's not like you ever added anything useful in the first place, except for supporting that thief) but just got dragged in magically again somehow.

Just remember life isn't like a box of chocolate but more like a jar of jalepenos , what you eat today can burn your a$$ tomorrow.
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There isn't that much of a step from covering for criminals to becoming one so make sure it's not your ass that is burning in the end. I imagine you wouldn't mind sucking it up for your buddy but it just might not be worth it. Why not set him straight instead ?

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Oh and one more thing to the piece of excrement who posted the following, whoever you are:

4g0w7t


I'm not the kind of person to wish others harm just like that but if there's a person that deserves harm come to them it's you. I honestly hope that you get shafted for more than $200 and then have somebody tell you that you got what you deserved.
 
Thanks to everyone who are endeavoring to bring closure to this issue. :)

$200 is really insignificant to me per se; I would, however, appreciate receiving the $200 worth of materials Eich says he purchased on my behalf, or be sent a check for the amount...

The issue certainly has nothing to do about fora; neither the one of which Eich is an administrator, nor BladeForums.com. It is about Mr. Eichenseer sending me the items he claimed he appropriated for work on my knife.

I was publicly asked by Eich to pay $200 for "materials" he purchased, and did so. I only ask that whatever their nature is, they be restituted...
 
faramir said:
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Oh and one more thing to the piece of excrement who posted the following, whoever you are:

4g0w7t


I'm not the kind of person to wish others harm just like that but if there's a person that deserves harm come to them it's you. I honestly hope that you get shafted for more than $200 and then have somebody tell you that you got what you deserved.
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Gotta love the spineless, faramir. I tried to give you rep to make up for the jacker but I must have also agreed with other things you've said so it won't let me. Yet.

And I agree that until this (getting ripped off by a thief) happens to all the Eich defenders it won't mean anything to them. Course they'll be crying when it's their turn and we can all get a good laugh.

oil

Edited 4 clarity, faramir isn't the spineless one.
 
Um, I will quote myself:
So much arrogance that people will defend a place where their Administrator/tech support can openly abuse people and apparently thieve from lesser members and he will be safe housed for it. The fact remains the reason why we get pissed at more than Kyle is that the site is now harboring a criminal and that makes the site and accessory to a crime. Willful and blatant. That the arrogance I speak of is being programmed into the lesser members I think without them even knowing it. They feel a sort of power finding a group of supposed "take no bull crap" people with common interests and being afraid of losing that at all make them deny the possibility that as a whole they have harbored someone who is now a criminal in many eyes. It's a sub cultural, microcosmic societal programming going on. Or simply and gang mentality. Any defense is unacceptable. The place has to "Handle its business" and the business at hand is getting Kyle to make Dan whole. Any knife maker who says he marks a box headed for another country as a weapon or knife is probably full of beans! I never have and never will. In the strictest language it is a "tool" and we mark it as such so that the person who has been so kind to give us business can get what he or she has paid for and will be happy with it. That is what we want is it not? Our customers to be happy. That doesn't mean giving them a "happy ending" of course but it means that in the end we aim to please as that is what keeps us in business, PERIOD! He hasn't done that. Sure neither has Reif or Corkum but you can bet those guys careers are over in the field. We will see to that. Thank you.
That is why there is any mention of that place. Until that site handles it's business and that business is making Kyle pay up or else. Then there will always be mention in the negative as far as that site is concerned. Administrators must also uphold the law. They are not lawless and recieve no special privileges where they can rip people off and get away with it. That's dirty. No one from that site has said what we want to hear. That they and others there are now pressuring Kyle to fork over the money. Also that if he doesn't he will be banned from the site because he ripped someone off. If anyone else not an inner circle member rips someone off they get banned don't they? So why not him? Because he has money into the site maybe? Why? because he's a "friend"? Also, the only people keeping continual mention of the other site alive are those who are members there. You keep harping on the random jabs some of us have taken at it but have not seen the picture clearly. So, you keep bringing it up. We will mention it occasionally as it has become an accessory because no one says they are working to make this right, only that we should'nt mention that site. I don't want to mention that site anymore. I swear! but it's gonna keep happening if you mention it and then apparently do nothing about it. Handle your business and this all goes away. Tempers will calm and harmony can once again be achieved. Anything less is the admission by all of you that because "kyle doesn't care" about this place and what anyone says and will no longer entertain this thread, it's okay to steal.
 
Hey faramir, I'm in agreement with you on this one. Here's my negative comment:

Update Re: Kyle Eichens... 04-10-2005 10:34 AM Go away you Dick!


Some people's lack of maturity amazes me. I never would have thought to give a negative point to anyone one this thread for disagreeing with my point of view. And the person doesn't have the guts to stand up and put their name down nor would they say something like this to my face.

Personally speaking, I'd bet those who are posting negative rep points here aren't posting because they don't have the courage to post behind their names and stand up for what they believe, whatever side they're on.
 
faramir said:
The fact that i don't steal from others is what makes me good about myself. The fact that i don't support thieves makes me feel good about myself. Knowing that i'm nothing like you makes me feel good about myself. What do i know about you ? You are supporting and covering for a thief - that speaks volumes about you. Besides, in your own words you had nothing more to add to this thread (it's not like you ever added anything useful in the first place, except for supporting that thief) but just got dragged in magically again somehow.

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:barf: :eek:
feel good about yourself more this morning ? great but you know nothing about me. I will just sit back now and read all the meaningful input you have since you are the chosen purfect one. OK nothing there.....Give it a break.

I just love how the cyber buff throw threats around. It wasn't me who left that negative rep point for you . I have recieved quite a few neg rep points off this thread. Funny how here I have like 12 rep points but another place 100 times that.

flame on all you want little one...your comments mean nadda. :rolleyes:
 
It is apparent from Dan's post above that he has not received either the materials or a refund (and yes I do believe this to be true until Kyle somehow shows proof otherwise). It is a shame that there is someone that thinks that Dan got what he deserved. No one deserves to have something like this done to them. It really doesn't matter how difficult a customer he was, that does not give Kyle the right to keep his money.
 
maestrodawg1 said:
Hey faramir, I'm in agreement with you on this one. Here's my negative comment:

Update Re: Kyle Eichens... 04-10-2005 10:34 AM Go away you Dick!


Some people's lack of maturity amazes me. I never would have thought to give a negative point to anyone one this thread for disagreeing with my point of view. And the person doesn't have the guts to stand up and put their name down nor would they say something like this to my face.

Personally speaking, I'd bet those who are posting negative rep points here aren't posting because they don't have the courage to post behind their names and stand up for what they believe, whatever side they're on.
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Don't feel too bad, I got one also from this thread, from one of the members of the same small gang of internet thugs and wannabe's.
It read; "LONG LIVE USN, why the hostility".
Of course, in true cowardly fashion, it's unsigned.:rolleyes::barf:

There was no hostility, just a hearty dislike of flakey thieves, and those who enable them.
But NOW, now there is hostility!!:mad:

I've had my doubts from the beginning that this $200.00 in materials ever really existed(just my opinion, for you internet attorneys), but was just something that eich made up to get another dig in at someone he didn't like.
I can't prove that, and I may be wrong, but if I am, why hasn't the material been returned?


Edited to correct a quote to the proper bad English in which it was originally made.
 
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