Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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Hmmmmm, I've tried to stay out of this one, but alas, I've failed big time now. Mike, as one of the people who contributed to your co-pay-no-pay-ok-use-moneygiventomebythemembersoftheUSN-to-repay fund, Ill attempt to explain something to you. Sometimes people help out people who appear to be in need. When the recepients of said gratitude then begin to badmouth the benefactors AS A WHOLE, it stings a little. Nobody attempted to blackmail you. However, I for one think it's only right, in a thread supposedly about morals, to make public knowledge of the fact that you have none. (No before you ask, Ive never sent you a rep point...not here, not there, not anonymously or otherwise, Im happy to let everyone know publically EXACTLY how I feel about you.) For those of you keeping score:
I am a Usual Suspect.
I am proud to be one.
I hope you guys let the focus remain on the topic at hand, and know at the end of the discussion, based on what I know, I continue to call Kyle my friend.
 
I must be getting slower as I get older. Someone please tell me, when did helping another person become wrong? Since when is taking the food off your own table, to help feed someone else who is less fortunate, a bad thing, to be ridiculed & degraded by others? When did we start repaying kindness with hate? What type of person would?
 
Okay...
Your "friend" lied and stole.
Does that make it okay because he is your friend?
Or do you take the high road and be a good friend and say "friend, you did wrong, make it right for your honor and for mine"

Or, do you be a very good friend and say "Friend, you did wrong, and although you refuse to admit it and make amends, I will make amends for you and hope in the future you come to your senses"

Let it be known now, that if I were to recommend anything to anyone, or to vouch for anyone, and one individual screws the other over, I will make amends, pay the difference and square away any debt that may arise. That is a friend... What you call a friend is some jerkoff you barely know tapping away at a keyboard a thousand miles away from you.

As for Hull, he's being a friend right now and telling you that you're doing wrong.
 
Hey Mutt, Kyle is a FRIEND of mine. True, we live on opposite ends of the country. Guess what, I've met Kyle, I've shaken his hand. I've been across the country, to his home, his shop, his town.....not once, but a number of times. Please don't bring my definition of a friend into this disconbobulated mess. I don't see it to be my place, as a friend, to say "Kyle, come to your senses. If you don't, Im going to send Dan $200". Kyle told me what happened. You're not going to change my mind about it, neither is Keith or RDT. If you would like to direct any more remarks to me, I would ask that you use my posted email addy, or my phone number, which I have just emailed to you. Mike Hull is not my friend, and he never will be.
 
There's been some talk about forums, but I can't see that this is about forums. It's about individuals. It's about one individual who was paid money by another individual and didn't deliver anything in return.

And maybe it's also about some other individuals who are making excuses and counteraccusations on behalf of the first individual. That's unusual. As a general rule most such individuals make their own excuses and counteraccusations, and naturally take the heat for it. But this time, some other individuals who aren't involved in the transaction choose to make the excuses and counteraccusations. But as far as I can see that doesn't matter much. The excuses and counteraccusations that have been posted wouldn't fool anybody here, no matter who posted them.
 
I am not interested in talking or corresponding with you outside of the public eye. It is always best to conduct adversarial correspondence in the open as to avoid lies and deceit.

Let's take away the word "Friend" for a minute...

So you say basically that Kyle is a man whom you shaken hands with, visited his home, shop and town, but you care not that he stole and lied and care not to take any steps to help him come to an honorable solution.

If your statement directing me to use e-mail or phone means that you will not be looking at this post, then I hope one of your "friends" will inform you of the contents.

As for Hull, according to your defenition, as long as he's shaken your hand and visited you, he's your friend...
 
Mutt, Ive never shaken his hand or visited his home. I don't consider you an adversary, I consider you an idiot. We've made our personal feelings about one another known. Let's leave it at that, OK?
 
then why would you engage an idiot in an arguement, and then lose?

before you deny losing, you must admit that the first to resort to namecalling has given up all hope of winning a debate...
 
OK, sure, you win. I wasn't debating I was just telling you exactly how I felt. Opinions aren't right or wrong.
 
Brandon, I am actually an idiot. For giving money and items off my table and from my kids so Mike Hull could have food on his table.

BTW Mike no one blackmailed you. They gave you a negative rep point. You brought it up and no one else. So don't whine when someone calls you on your dirty laundry. Is far as I'm concerned you comitted a theft under false pretenses to the tune of a grand and that makes you a hypocrit.
 
Your fellow man's subsuquent treachery is no reflection of you, it only speaks volumes about his character.
 
Maybe give some to Kyle so this thread can be put to bed!!

Then, both individuals (wordage change per Kit) can agree this is resolved and I can get back to whine and cheese where men are men and goats are scared!!
 
Gentlebeings, once again: this is a discussion about a transaction between two individuals. It is not a forum for you to talk about other people who have also posted in this thread. You're not distracting anyone, you're not fooling anyone, you're not embarrassing anyone, all you're doing is revealing your own character -- and we've probably all seen enough of that already.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Gentlebeings, once again: this is a discussion about a transaction between two individuals. It is not a forum for you to talk about other people who have also posted in this thread. You're not distracting anyone, you're not fooling anyone, you're not embarrassing anyone, all you're doing is revealing your own character -- and we've probably all seen enough of that already.
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Hear, hear!
 
Hard to believe a page and a half has passed since I posted this just a little while ago.

I hope this is worked out to both Individuals involved.

There. I said it.
 
I thought I had seen it all , but Mike , posting that you showed some true colors. Really disappointed that you did that. :(
 
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