Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

Status
Not open for further replies.
but it turned into one, not even a war really, more like a pre-battle where everybody is rattling sabers.

I'm sure that everyone has their reasons for positions.

Let's say that it all is a gang mentality, for the sake of argument. We have a gang, here, they have a gang there.

I have never been in a "gang" per se, but am still associated with a "crew". We are inkslingers(tattoo artists). I have not tattooed anyone in about 2 years, but I am still "in", and my opinions carry a fair amount of weight, but some of the crew does not really like me very much, even though they love me, if that makes any sense.

One time, 4 of my crew beat a homeless guy senseless. His crime was pissing on one of our cars. The punishment fit the crime, but it didn't take 4 of us to do it. I went ballistic when I found out. I was ashamed at the lack of control my "boys" showed, it was unnecessary, it was a needless escalation of violence.

If the head of our crew was attacked by someone, he would insist that he be allowed to handle it, he was ashamed at the way the crew acted as well, and every one was held accountable. He thought that his dogs were better trained then that. That is the way he is. He is Honor personified.

We are accountable for the actions of everyone in our "gang". Their victories are our victories, their failures are our failures. That is what family and brotherhood is all about, and has been since before I landed on this planet, and so it will be long after we are all dust.

You cannot make someone do the right thing in your family, and you may feel beholden to defend them against outsiders, but you do have a responsibility to ensure that they hold up the beliefs, if there are any, held by the leaders of the clan. If you cannot in good conscience do so, and they will not behave according to the codes, that are more important than the individual, you must either leave the family behind, or expel the offending individual. These codes are not subject to interpretation, they are as unforgiving to the USMC as they are to the Cosa Nostra.

The family is only as strong as the individual members.

That being said, and thank you for bearing with me this long, if Kyle stole money from Dr. Dan, and is defended for doing so, that is wrong. More importantly, he should be mandated to make the wrong right, or expelled from the family. It is so simple, but has become twisted by pride, and by misguided loyalties.

Either way, the problem will not go away until it is dealt with, dead horse or not.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Mike Hull said:
The term nonsense was referring to the fact that the "gift" was actually a gift with a hook, and would be used against me later to shut me up.
That's the nonsense I meant.

If you were one of those that contributed, I appreciate it, but I will not be blackmailed.
Click to expand...

Mike,

I am sorry to say so but if you really think they gave you money to blackmail you later - you are simply wrong. They sent you money when you need it. If you did not need the money or did not want to accept it, you could have return the MO (and you can still return the amount). I too participated in several auctions, gave knives to the auctions and always thought the auctions were very good idea.

David

Edited: I edited the other paragraph just because I got some new pieces of information.
 
This comes to mind...
I do piss off a lot of people on the boards...
I also open my pockets and sometimes very deeply to those in need. (several times to those who were/are USN members)

Now, if in the debates and frays, should it come up that someone I helped feels it is his duty to speak out against me, or to put me in my place, I would certainly remember that I helped him in the past and feel a little pained. However, I would certainly not want that person to feel that he owes me a debt of silence or complicity...

Hull was obviously made to feel like the intent of such charity was to put him in a debt of honor.

It is very dishonorable to feel that one can, with money or materials, in times of dire need, purchase another man's honor. Anyone who has brought up and attacked Hull for accepting charity when he was in need is certainly an example of that.

As for those who give in a charity, the rewards are in knowing you did a good deed. You ask for no more, and should get no more except maybe the hope that someone else will do for you in your time of need.
 
What I got out of Mike's comment about the gift was that it should not be used to leverage his silence as was alluded to in the comment left with the neg. rep..

Maybe the same folks who contributed to Mike's time of need can do so for Kyle so the debacle can end with both parties [oops, individuals] enjoying resolution.

Then all of us in the peanut gallery can go about our non-internet lives in peace.

To those that think this is wrong I hope you realize by now that Kyle is never going to respond here, is never going to respond to Dan, and is never going to resolve this with Dan. At least this would be a solution and sometimes any solution is better than no solution. :D

The internet, what a wonderful place for adventure....................
 
I very much appreciate the fact that some of you have offered to cover the materials that were not received with my knife, and thank I your generosity. I’m fortunate to enjoy a large disposable income, and the sum involved ($200) is really not at all an issue; the principle of it being withheld is… Kyle himself does not appear willing to settle the situation. :confused:

After Kyle’s scathing answer to my post on his forum, several members there offered to convey messages between myself and Kyle, as he was neither reacting or responding to mine. I was told several times that Kyle related that the knife was sent out. After several months elapsed, I posted in the Good, Bad & Ugly, and Kyle replied, soliciting $200 before he would send out the knife. He obviously “bent the truth” when he told these go betweens that the knife was sent out.

Several months after Kyle publicly admitted on the forum that the funds were indeed received went by, but no knife appeared. Mr. Eichenseer supposedly related again to others that the knife was sent out, and it was speculated that it was lost, sent back, etc. Finally it was delivered to the address I requested after having had paid the $200, but the “supplies” were not included in the package. :rolleyes:

I only ask Kyle to either send these supplies if he truly has them. If not, a check or Postal M.O. to the same address and person would be appreciated . My e-mail address is available should Kyle elect to contact me, and I am enabled to receive BladeForums.com personal messages. I harbour no hard feelings against Kyle or his gang who’ve provided me with some very flowery worded messages, and I’m sure this thread can happily disappear off of page one for more interesting Good, Bad & Ugly reports… :)
 
Umm, i'd like to expand on Cougar's most recent post:

All you guys who call Kyle your friend - it is kinda obvious you don't want to see your friend's name tarnished and support him in blind faith. By flinging poo at others you won't make Kyle's theft go away though. If you are honestly his friends you should instead talk to him; had he really sent the money he would have shown a piece of evidence (a receipt showing delivery address and date, or a trackingnumber that can be checked online). Since he hasn't done so it is reasonable to conclude that he had stolen those $200 and that's where friends should come in - not to cover up for him, not to compensate his victim, but to set your friend straight.

Why would you rather have your name associated with a thief than to settle this thing for good ? It's as if it wasn't your friend you were concerned about (you don't seem to mind knowing he's a thief and obviously couldn't care less about disproving the accusations) but everybody else who you hold a personal grudge against for some reason, so mudslinging fest can continue, shifting the focus away from the real issue..

Talk to your friend and get to the bottom of this once and for all - if he sent the money.supplies he definitely has a proof, post it and be done with it. If he hasn't sent anything yet (which is what the lack of any forementioned proof would suggest) get him to do so ASAP, it's that's simple, even if that means pooling up some money to help your friend in need, if he for some reason cannot cough it up himself.

Leave other individuals or forums our of this.
 
Drdan said:
I very much appreciate the fact that some of you have offered to cover the materials that were not received with my knife, and thank I your generosity. I’m fortunate to enjoy a large disposable income, and the sum involved ($200) is really not at all an issue; the principle of it being withheld is… Kyle himself does not appear willing to settle the situation. :confused:

After Kyle’s scathing answer to my post on his forum, several members there offered to convey messages between myself and Kyle, as he was neither reacting or responding to mine. I was told several times that Kyle related that the knife was sent out. After several months elapsed, I posted in the Good, Bad & Ugly, and Kyle replied, soliciting $200 before he would send out the knife. He obviously “bent the truth” when he told these go betweens that the knife was sent out.

Several months after Kyle publicly admitted on the forum that the funds were indeed received went by, but no knife appeared. Mr. Eichenseer supposedly related again to others that the knife was sent out, and it was speculated that it was lost, sent back, etc. Finally it was delivered to the address I requested after having had paid the $200, but the “supplies” were not included in the package. :rolleyes:

I only ask Kyle to either send these supplies if he truly has them. If not, a check or Postal M.O. to the same address and person would be appreciated . My e-mail address is available should Kyle elect to contact me, and I am enabled to receive BladeForums.com personal messages. I harbour no hard feelings against Kyle or his gang who’ve provided me with some very flowery worded messages, and I’m sure this thread can happily disappear off of page one for more interesting Good, Bad & Ugly reports… :)
Click to expand...


Hey guys now HOW THE HELL can you fight that? He put it eloquently and with much civility. Why in the world would you dispute that? Why would you prefer harboring a thief to that? Why? Now girls, let's stop with the personal attacks and childish negative rep points and make with the issue at hand. That issue is Kyle, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS and we will disappear. It's so friggin simple. You only prolong this dispute that you supposedly want to end, by making comments on issues some of you know absolutely nothing about. Or is merely hear say, conjecture, etc. So no one has proven anything but Dan that he's been ripped off and Kyle that he's ripped Dan off. There are no two buts about it. The man has Dan's money, pay up. So fellas, let's just put up or shut up please. Make all the comments about others and me you want. I am clean as a whistle and any past problems I have had with anyone have been squashed and remedied. I conduct business as best I can and take advantage of no one. As well, all the knife makers here are well known and also seem to do fine business (yes even Kit :D ). I would wager they are also good people face to face (with or without whiskey ;) ). I have had the pleasure of meeting some and can vouch that at that point they were great. However, being that people are again chiming in with snide comments. That now makes you included and implicated. Let's leave that crap alone man. I have not made any remarks of a personal nature to any of you except in response. Yet, I have been attacked personally with ignorant misinformation and also based purely on a difference of opinion. I ask you, how is that at all fair and just that any of you would make comments on my character and me because I back Dan. Dan who has physical evidence that would hold up in any small claims court that he's been ripped off. It seems clear that any words that involve personal issues or are meant to misinform a new reader are for the sake of discrediting this thread and Dan's case. No matter what you say it does not take away from the fact that Kyle has Dan's money and Dan's deserves it back. That Kyle said one thing but did another and that Kyle publicly lashed out at Dan for quite patiently asking for his good s back. There is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for any of it. Handle your business! It has been said I have an agenda. Well, YEAH DUH!!! My agenda is as follows and I swear it be true. No particular order:
1. Being an unjustly ousted person from said site I know well the MO of the perpetrator Kyle. So anyone who has been as clearly wronged by Kyle would of course receive my support.
2. Outraged at what I read of Dan's mistreatment from Kyle own fingertips and all his buddies, I had to step up and recognize Dan. I had to say something as I have much empathy for him.
3. Reading all the evidence that also include Kyle's own admissions and sheer arrogance on this issue I can't stay shut can I?
4. If I were to witness a mugging, would it be right not to step in or at least call the Cops? I would then morally be an accessory, as I did nothing to stop or help the attack. I am the ONLY guy on my block and the block I grew up on who has chased off muggers in the past and ALWAYS WILL! (See the final Seinfeld episodes ;) )
5. After being attacked personally with lies and false information that only encourages retaliation and continued aggressive behavior on the part of the offended (Me). Its called self defense.
6. Melacholymutt is 100% correct about Mike Hull and charity. How could you possibly refute a perfect description and psychoanalysis?
7. Now people like Kit and others here hate me for what? Stating very honestly and very plainly that I feel this is wrong? For NOT bombarding them with lies and misinformation? For trying to stay on the topic? Um, that's reasonable. NOT! :rolleyes:
8. Lastly, all I see here is FEAR. Fear from those of you who would resort to silly "Kill Lists" and "Negative Rep points. That's a cowards way out regardless who signs or doesn't sign what. What wouldn't be cowardly is calling them how you em' and if your eyes are human eyes then you see Dan's been taken advantage of and the criminal who did it is at larger and being protected without a warning even. What would be courageous would be to admit "maybe I was wrong about Kyle, I dunno?" and apologize for the above behavior. What would be courageous and tuff of all those loud voices would be to admit that there's a problem and you fell victim of the feeding frenzy for fear that your "friends" might think you weak or not enough of a "friend" or soft. For fear that your hang out would be disgraced and that you would say or do ANYTHING to keep that from happening. For fear that a place where you make some nice money might no longer bring in the profits it has. For fear that once you were challenged as a member of such a fine establishment that you couldn't back down and did ANYTHING to save face. Fear, that you might get banned if you agreed with this supposedly unpopular opinion that Kyle wronged someone. All I see is a whole lotta fear out here and the only one's who are fearless are those who have nothing to lose because we've already been banned, ripped off and falsely accused so we figure "awe what the f**k" and will go out a blaze of mutha friggin glory. This WILL NOT DIE. The ONLY way it dies is with Kyle paying Dan. So now that we have all rubbed each other the wrong way. Pissed one another off. Made enemies out of previously unfamiliars and even acquaintances and friends. Why don't we get back to the issue, stay off the bull talk and get on with it. If you REALLY want this matter fixed and everything worked out for both parties involved, you will work with us on a civil and straightforward conclusion. Anything else is pussy footing.

PS, I still anxiously await my death threat. C'mon guys, send me a death threat I am beggin' for it ain't I?! I await the assassin with glee.
 
Hey anyone else get one of these? This is Fascinating! An email from an anonymous sender regarding this issue over there? Yowza!...Hahahaha! I can forward it to anyone so they can see it's an actual email and I'm not making it up.

So Kit stays for an inside view and everyone else agrees to walk away
from that thread and focus on more positive things.

Does that sound okay to the rest of you guys who were posting in that
thread?


If you guys agree to that, then I'll have our Admin Team go through
that thread and make a ban list of everyone who sided with the trolls.
We'll then cross reference and find out who is over here and we'll
systematically take them out. Actually, there's not too many that will be
banned though because the majority of them were banned long ago for
unrelated issues.

I've got dibs on wolfmann601.


By the way, it will be somewhat difficult for anyone that we ban to
re-register over here because we no longer allow anyone using anonymous
e-mail addresses to register at the USN. No Yahoo, no Hotmail, no Gmail,
and a few others.

I fully realize that we have quite a few members of our community who
use Hotmail and Yahoo e-mail addresses, but that's fine because existing
accounts aren't at all affected by this. We implemented this more than
a week ago and have noticed a major reduction in troll traffic.

If this sounds good to you guys then great. It's only going to work if
all Suspects who posted in that thread agree that the best thing is to
walk away. Only then will we drop the napalm. Put on your Nomex, Kit.
It's going to get real hot over there real quick.
 
RDT wrote:
"Fear, that you might get banned if you agreed with this supposedly unpopular opinion that Kyle wronged someone."

Anonymous wrote:
"If you guys agree to that, then I'll have our Admin Team go through
that thread and make a ban list of everyone who sided with the trolls.
We'll then cross reference and find out who is over here and we'll
systematically take them out."

No surprises here, huh?? :rolleyes:
 
It's a private board funded by private money. Why would you care if every swinging d1ck on BF, KF, TF, Knife Network, or any other forum is a member, banned, ostracized, or whatever? But you must care because you and a lot of folks keep squawking about it. This thread stopped being about Kyle and Dan after the first page, but the management has done nothing to prevent it from become a 20 page bash fest.

As far as Dan and Kyle, only two people know the real story contrary to all the "experts" posting here.

I would like to think all my time on the knife forums has shown that I am pretty sensible and level-headed, but this thing has gotten ridiculous. I can only surmise the management here condones the USN bashing.

And BTW, from an "insider" to all the conspiracy theorists here: the only thread remotely dealing with this was one started a while back expressing concern that Hull turned away from the USN after receiving and cashing his money. No one brought it to the public light but him and it would have remained a closed door issue except for him bringing it up here. Believe it or not, most of your Kool-Aid drinkers don't come to BF, ever.

Bob Doggett
 
If the individuals who "support" Eichenseer (still haven't gotten a clarification of what they mean by that, but it hasn't been long since I asked) belong to another forum, if they plan their strategy there, so what? The great majority of the members of that forum are not involving themselves in this at all. It's not about forums; it's about individuals.

This discussion certainly has verged on turning into a cross-forum flame war at times. The moderators have been jawboning about that repeatedly. We are not going to close down every thread that mentions this transaction just because some individuals would like to turn every thread that mentions this transaction into a cross-forum flame war and get it closed down.

Last night I was on the verge of threatening to ban a bunch of people (guess who, and guess whether they would have been smart enough to take warning). Then I had some thoughts and changed my mind -- see my previous post.
 
All the moderators have done what they can short of banning people and closing the thread burt that is what those we are addressing would want. They want it closed and Kyle gets off scott free! NO WAY. C'mon can anyone seriously challenge any of the facts here? Never mind the cross forum bashing now. The fact m'am just the facts. SHOW US ANY EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY PLEASE! Otherswise shut up and handle your business. You are involving yourselves so you've made it your business. If you are interested in this being over then end it by making Kyle pay. PERIOD! There is nothing else to discuss. The boy needs to pay.
 
RDT, Look this way. I don't want you to miss anything.

That you posted information from a private forum further indicates your desire to discredit the USN forum. A forum that I'm a member and Suspect on. A forum that is full of some of the best individuals God ever created. A forum that you got banned from for some very good reasons.

Please have your scumsucking bottom dweller go back and finish copying that thread. Especially the part where I called you a tiny tickturd that simply has an agenda that doesn't have **** to do with DrDan getting his money. He might even be able to find where I said I shouldn't even be here arguing with an idiot. He might even find some other things that were said, but let's leave them as a surprise.

Since you so freely posted that email, will you post those you've seen that mentioned death threats? Maybe adding a little drama to your story?

Your sole purpose for the last upteen pages was to get "even". There can be no other explanation as to why your every undivided, very long ranting paragraph brought the USN up. You like the attention and must have felt big "getting even".

I said earlier that I felt you were Obsessed with this subject. At this point, it goes far beyond that. I'm not even sure there is a word for it.



DrDan, With this guy in your corner, I would hazard a guess that you'll probably never see your money or materials. As I said in an earlier post, at this point I doubt if Kyle would do anything that would give RDT the satisfaction of thinking his rants caused it.

That's the sad part.

I do hope this issue is resolved by both individuals involved.
 
Kit Carson said:
A forum that is full of some of the best individuals God ever created.

I would hazard a guess that you'll probably never see your money or materials.
Click to expand...

I dont see these 2 things fitting together very well.
 
dogman said:
As far as Dan and Kyle, only two people know the real story contrary to all the "experts" posting here.

Bob Doggett
Click to expand...

With respect, would you include the person in the U.S. who was Drdan's agent and says he received the knife but not the "supplies"?

(As for the rest, it's your band and you hired the hall, so you get to invite anyone you want to the dance.)
 
Kit Carson said:
DrDan, With this guy in your corner, I would hazard a guess that you'll probably never see your money or materials. As I said in an earlier post, at this point I doubt if Kyle would do anything that would give RDT the satisfaction of thinking his rants caused it.
Click to expand...

As if DrDan was going to see them anyway. Right. And to use an after the fact reason not to do what he should have in the first place would be rather crappy too. Which seems to be on par with the actions he has taken concerning DrDan so far.

And how come NO ONE can come up with FACTs about why they believe Eich? Seems fairly easy to do if those FACTs existed, which I doubt.

And at this point this WILL NOT work out for both parties because only one party is trying to do the RIGHT thing.

oil
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top