Waning appeal of super steel

Craytab wants to be a mod so bad it hurts. Every chance he gets to act like one he does it. Every time a mod says something craytab makes sure to quickly and very publicly agree.

No way would I ever want a job that would force me to try and reign in the hater BS you spew out all the time. :thumbup:

The mods do a much better job than I could ever do. They show a great deal of restraint, maturity, and patience. I would have tossed you long ago. You should thank them.

But hey, it is good to see you agree with that stand up fellow coinbuysell. He thinks he's right all the time too and get very upset when the fact that he is not gets pointed out to him. Makes me feel warm inside that the simple fact I post in a thread causes you guys to immediately personally attack me and derail a perfectly good discussion. I didn't think you guys cared so much for me ;)
 
I really like how tough ATS 34 is, dropped it on tile floors a few time, a lot of rolls but no chipping. Cant really hold an edge though. I definitely like carbon steels better. Pricing, edge holding, ease of sharpening, the variables are all very satisfactory.
 
Blah blah blah..... If you can't tell the difference between a blade made from 420 jc and s110v after making 50 cuts into cardboard then you likely shouldn't be allowed to possess a knife bc you obviously lack the mental capacity to use it correctly....I don't need expensive equipment or a Damn lab to tell a dull knife from a still sharp knife.

I call [emoji191] [emoji90] on the nonsense you say.

Is that a fox or a deer? :D
 
Craytab wants to be a mod so bad it hurts. Every chance he gets to act like one he does it. Every time a mod says something craytab makes sure to quickly and very publicly agree.

If you don't want to see what he writes, then put him on ignore, otherwise just deal with how he is. Not a big deal either way.
I disagree. No reason to dump a massive load of irrelevant stuff in the middle of a thread. Wouldn't it be simpler if he rethinks that kind of thing, rather than everyone else learning to deal with him?

Speaking as a former mod of a bigger, rougher board than this. Find another place for that stuff, have a forum called "The Outhouse" or something.
 
This one. Not sure of the name. I'd have to go get the tube. I know it was the forum knife a while back. I won it in a very generous GAW. I'm not a traditional guy but this thing has amazed me. The Wharncliffe blade has been very useful.

Another diverse metallurgical carry day. 1095, AUS6, and M390.

Thank you for the photo!

I'm not usually a fan of the multiple-blade patterns, but that is quite striking! GEC's wharncliffe blade shape is always a favorite of mine in photos -- it may be time that I pick one up, already. :) On topic, they also tend to use some nice simple steels in their offerings.
 
I really like how tough ATS 34 is, dropped it on tile floors a few time, a lot of rolls but no chipping. Cant really hold an edge though. I definitely like carbon steels better. Pricing, edge holding, ease of sharpening, the variables are all very satisfactory.

I like ATS-34 as well and I carry it every so often. I have it in an AFCK, 710, CRKT Apache, and in a custom I use in the kitchen a lot.


Thank you for the photo!

I'm not usually a fan of the multiple-blade patterns, but that is quite striking! GEC's wharncliffe blade shape is always a favorite of mine in photos -- it may be time that I pick one up, already. :)

No problem. Photos make everything better :D That GEC wharncliffe is super pointy and gets super sharp. I recently used it to remove some useless fabric from some gloves (stupid material they put on the fingers so you can still use your phone while wearing them). It required surgical precision and the GEC handled it flawlessly.


Is that a fox or a deer? :D

It does look like a deer.

I disagree. No reason to dump a massive load of irrelevant stuff in the middle of a thread. Wouldn't it be simpler if he rethinks that kind of thing, rather than everyone else learning to deal with him?

Speaking as a former mod of a bigger, rougher board than this. Find another place for that stuff, have a forum called "The Outhouse" or something.

You've never been to W&C have you?
 
In recent times, as people research optimum heat treat recipes for KNIFE use, we have come to see some very old "simple" steels like AEB-L/13C26 and 52100 in an entirely new light. The same could be said recently for "semi-super" steels like CPM 3V. Rpealtivleuy simple techniques like sub 1500F austenizing for some simple carbon/tool steels and low temperature tempering for higher allow steels to avoid the secondary hardening/carbide coming hump have changed the way we look at some of these materials.
 
In recent times, as people research optimum heat treat recipes for KNIFE use, we have come to see some very old "simple" steels like AEB-L/13C26 and 52100 in an entirely new light. The same could be said recently for "semi-super" steels like CPM 3V. Rpealtivleuy simple techniques like sub 1500F austenizing for some simple carbon/tool steels and low temperature tempering for higher allow steels to avoid the secondary hardening/carbide coming hump have changed the way we look at some of these materials.

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In recent times, as people research optimum heat treat recipes for KNIFE use, we have come to see some very old "simple" steels like AEB-L/13C26 and 52100 in an entirely new light. The same could be said recently for "semi-super" steels like CPM 3V. Rpealtivleuy simple techniques like sub 1500F austenizing for some simple carbon/tool steels and low temperature tempering for higher allow steels to avoid the secondary hardening/carbide coming hump have changed the way we look at some of these materials.

Absolutely. I always hear about super steels. In fact they are all just steel. There is no super steel. But there are great HT's that make great steels. To me a super steel is a steel that can hold an edge longer than any other steel ever made, it is tougher than any other steel ever made, resists corrosion better than any other steel ever made and can flex better than any other steel ever made. Let me know when you find that steel.
 
OMG, you missed an o in a word! The world will stop and come to an end!:eek:



Lol! Whut? You expect me to go through that entire thread and pull out the post I think you are talking about?

I sense a little butt hurt here. Could it come from the fact that myself and other have to constantly point out the inaccuracies you post with regard fact, figures, and logic? Ironic especially when it comes to price figures when your username shows you literally buy and sell money. But hey, I'm a helpful guy so I will help you out here.

You see, when taking a pot shot at someone, it is important to be specific. When providing a link to a cross thread insult, for the benefit of the reader, you can be more specific by providing a link to the specific post you are trying to reference:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ee-a-new-G10-Grip!!!!?p=15524722#post15524722

See how much easier that is to understand what post I am talking about. Further, you can even quote posts across threads:



And if you want to make it easier for your readers you can quote the responses to a quote you have provided:








Lastly, when you cross thread post, a person can click on that little arrow thing next to your name in the quote and it will take them to not only the thread it was quoted from but to the specific quote! This is nice if people want to go read the thread the quote was taken from they don't need to search all over the forum looking for it. I hope that was helpful :thumbup:




Sorry you are missing all my positive posts on the forum. You seem to be stalking down what you perceive to be my negative ones. I guess you didn't bother returning to that thread you crapped in to read the rest of it. That doesn't seem like a me problem though. Plenty of positivity there! There are links to it above :)


And back on topic!


I've been known to carry CTS-204p, 1095, and 8cr at the same time :eek:

Wow, who is butt hurt...sure seems to be YOU. I did not even see the replies to my post in the BM grip thread but you sure took a lot of time to pull multiple quotes to call me names. I don't have time too "stalk" you or anyone else on a forum, I just mostly lurk and it seemed to me that you have a lot of negative posts.

I came back here because I was given a heads up on your attack so good day sir, I have better things to do than go back and cherry pick quotes to make my point. Your noxious reply was all that was needed ;)
 
Well semantics around the use of "super" with steel, I will say I like them... A lot... so that I don't have to strop or sharpen my knives daily, or even monthly... :D

Its much easier to use knives when you're busy and don't have to devote time every day to sharpen them.
 
Wow, who is butt hurt...sure seems to be YOU. I did not even see the replies to my post in the BM grip thread but you sure took a lot of time to pull multiple quotes to call me names. I don't have time too "stalk" you or anyone else on a forum, I just mostly lurk and it seemed to me that you have a lot of negative posts.

I came back here because I was given a heads up on your attack so good day sir, I have better things to do than go back and cherry pick quotes to make my point. Your noxious reply was all that was needed ;)

See you until the next time you post inaccurate info :thumbup:
 
Absolutely. I always hear about super steels. In fact they are all just steel. There is no super steel. But there are great HT's that make great steels. To me a super steel is a steel that can hold an edge longer than any other steel ever made, it is tougher than any other steel ever made, resists corrosion better than any other steel ever made and can flex better than any other steel ever made. Let me know when you find that steel.

Um...adamantium....duh.....
 
Wow, who is butt hurt...sure seems to be YOU. I did not even see the replies to my post in the BM grip thread but you sure took a lot of time to pull multiple quotes to call me names. I don't have time too "stalk" you or anyone else on a forum, I just mostly lurk and it seemed to me that you have a lot of negative posts.

I came back here because I was given a heads up on your attack so good day sir, I have better things to do than go back and cherry pick quotes to make my point. Your noxious reply was all that was needed ;)


Have/had better things to do but still took the time to post/respond?

Was it the B-dog giving heads up?
 
Have/had better things to do but still took the time to post/respond?

Was it the B-dog giving heads up?

Why are you bringing me up? All I did is suggest the dude put him on ignore if he was bothered. Is this about to be another bladeforums troll gang attack because someone told craytab to chill out?
 
When I first got into super steels, I thought they were just the coolest thing. The technology, the increased performance, the overall cool factor. After living with the super steels for a while now, I noticed they are a lot less appealing than they used to be. As somebody who spends more time stropping his knives than using them, I find the "lesser" steels to be more fun. The payoff from stropping and less intensive sharpening are much more tangible, and the maintenance is much easier (a few licks on the stone, or a few minutes stropping and the edge is back to new). Am I alone in the waning love? Honestly if all of the designs I liked with super steels were made with steels like 440C or D2 I wouldn't have anything in super steels.

I wouldn't say my appeal is "waning" by any stretch, but simply is a cautious and frugal one regarding "super" Steels... I too am not a huge fan of the term "super Steel", as they are simply just "other" steels, most designed for uses in totally non-knife applications, for the aero space industry, the pump industry, turbine industry, etc... And there are a ton of absolutely amazing steels, high in tungsten, of molybednum, or other elements, that are completely unsuited and/or impractical for knife use, but are tremendously "super" at their intended uses... Just "other" steels...

But I digress, I get what the (generic) term means, so I continue to use it like many other folks do. That said, like you, a well made 440c blade or 1095, will certainly suit my daily needs just fine, and I don't mind the additional stropping and touchups they require. I'm also not one to jump at the next latest and greatest craze either, as value means as much to me as design and functionality, and oft times the latest and greatest are simply not in my budget. And also the "need" for something super abrasion resistant, 3 or 4 times as much as 440c, but for 5 or 6 times the price,isn't practical in my mind, (yet somehow owning 70-100 knives, and wanting more, I can justify as "practical", so be it, we all suffer from our own brand of insanity). I'd rather pay extra for design then for a fancy Steel that looks like just another knife, but unfortunately (for me) when you combine design AND fancy steels, you get the highest price tags around. So if given the option of a fancy knife in a more common grade steel vs. a plain looking knife, in a fancy Steel at the same price, I'm probably going to choose the former over the latter (provided the design is pleasing to my eye), because again, good common steels work well enough for my needs.

But the " appeal" of super steels is still there, I would love to try them all. I would love to be in a position where I could torture test them to breakage and simply discard them, but I can't, because that doesn't fit in my budget, however as they become established in their reputations, and tested again and again by those in a position to do so, and as prices come down, maybe I will get my hands on some sales? 154cm, Elmax, vg10, s30v, n690, xhp, d2, and so forth (entry level "super" steels) have seen great balances in their available price points which have seen dropping among production models to afforable prices (while others in the same steels, custims and mid techs are still at premium prices) and I've been pleased with each so far that I've tried. M390 appealed to me because of my appreciation of elmax, and so I got one for less then $200, in a design i liked, and so far I am pleased. But I haven't stopped carrying my basic 14c28 Blur, or 440c Böker Plus, or even 8cr13mov kershaws and crkt's, etc, as they too still suit my needs well enough, and there is no anxiety of losing or breaking them compared to a $100+ knife in a fancier steel...

So in short, the "appeal" for me is still there to try them all, but not "just" to try them for the sake of trying them, if I spend my money and buy a new knife, sure i want a "good steel", but it has to fit all my criteria as well, meaning, design and price both have to suit my wants and needs also, and 440c or 14c28, 1095 or even a good batch of 7, 8, or 9crXmov are " good enough" for nearly all my needed applications of a knife... I won't buy it "just because" it's a new super duper Steel, but rather because it's a knife I like and can afford, and if a "super Steel" can be a part of that equation as well, then great!
 
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Is this about to be another bladeforums troll gang attack because someone told craytab to chill out?

That guy? Ha. Dude has been here all of 15 minutes, contributes nothing, walks in and tells us all he is a former mod of a much bigger and scarier forum, and suggest there should be a place where we can discuss shuck of topic things. Like anyone is going to listen to that guy.

And all this butthurt stems from good ol' bloviating gaston...

You guys crack me up:D

He does have a certain effect on people.....

All of the salt flying around here is gonna make me wish my entire collection was H1.

Another steel I carry frequently. It is a very purpose driven steel. For what it is and what it does it is perfect!
 
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