What brands WON'T you own?

hwpaintballer said:
I actually read over your conversation, if you want I can repost it for you. The way I read it Thomas didn't seem to be abrasive at all.
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+1:thumbup:

GronK said:
I don't take this discussion seriously enough to buy a gold membership so I can spend hours tracking down a specific quote.
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GronK,
Dude, first off, you don't have to be a gold member to find posts, as I do it all the time. Secondly, if you consider Thomas' comments to you in this interaction to be "Extremely abrasive and defensive," you're perception may be a tad bit off. I've seen Thomas be abrasive and defensive, but it certainly wasn't in the thread you're referring to.

Regards,
3G
 
tirod3 said:
The comments about Thomas W. are precisely what the knife community does worst - take, or make an issue about something that has nothing to do with the physical product and thereby hold a negative attitude about it.

Time to grow up, kids.

Yes, I said that. Life has far more important and difficult conflicts than whether you like the syntax or writing style of someone on the internet. Step back from the keyboard, put your hands in the air, and admit you don't have the maturity to interact with other adults.

Communicating with the written word requires 1) competence and understanding of it's construct, 2) an agreement with the unwritten rule that you will conduct yourself in a polite and responsible mannner in your message, 3) Leaving others enough room to say things in a way you might not - because you can't see or hear the physical and inflectional nuances of an actual spoken sentence - which is 90% of the message.

I know, all some of you might get out of that paragraph is a gruff lecture - you can't SEE me smiling, or HEAR my lighthearted banter about it. If there was any.

Tough. It's up to you how you take it, if at all. NO DOUBT, some have not done well in the past. I consider their posts in the exact same light as those who misconstrue or misinterpret them - an exercise in ignorance. BOTH could do better. SOME learn from their mistakes. MANY continue to hold petty juvenile grudges and fail to move on.

If someone takes away some useful, serious information and is able to improve their lot, more power to them. Those who prefer to make it a dog fight for their amusement have their just reward waiting - a complete lack of credibility or respect. I imagine that's quite the opposite of what they thought they'd gain.

IT's CALLED BLADEForums, not TRASHTHEMAKERForums. I wondered who would be the next brave soul hunted down by the rabble.

(Background sounds of guillotine being tested.)
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There is no good reason why any consumer should buy products from someone whose attitudes, behavior or politics they don't want to support.

Thank you for the tutorial on how to use the written word, but in a thread like this it's more than appropriate for consumers to explain why they don't want to buy from a particular maker.
 
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enderwiggin said:
There is no good reason why any consumer should buy products from someone whose attitudes, behavior or politics they don't want to support.

Thank you for the tutorial on how to use the written word, but in a thread like this it's more than appropriate for consumers to explain why they don't want to buy from a particular maker.
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+1:thumbup: I Don't put any weight into what one of the biggest Strider apologists around, whom you quoted, has to say about how WE should behave.;)

Regards,
3G
 
Gentlemen, let's remember this discussion is about what brands you won't own, not what members you like to get into arguments with.
 
tirod3 said:
Time to grow up, kids.
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Tirod, Tirod, Tirod,

Haven’t you heard? Adolescence has been extended to the ages of 20-30 and beyond!

People don’t want to grow up. And, in our society, they don’t have to. Even the Physiologists are promoting this idea. This is a new phenomenon.

Why don’t many people use proper grammer, syntax and punctuation in these posts? Because their teachers and parents never made them do it, and they still got ‘A’s’!
What’s your problem? ‘I stil rite as gud as i did in the furst graid.’ You meanie!

We are one of the only cultures that don’t have a ceremonial time of ‘turning into a man’. Most past cultures set an age of around 14 years old as the time when a boy would henceforth take the attitude and responsibility of manhood. It was then expected that he would act accordingly. With the responsibility, he got the benefits and respect of other adults. But, he had to EARN the respect, and quit acting like a kid.

Our culture is different now. We demand the respect of adulthood, but don’t want any of the responsibility. More than once I’ve heard 20-30 something co-workers demand to be treated like men and then weasel out of responsibility later with the excuse of: ‘I ‘m just a kid!’

Oh yeah, I won’t own another Tekna knife ‘cause they aren’t made anymore.
 
Well stated, Bearcut! Part of acting like an adult and 'being a man' is owning up to one's mistakes and telling the truth.:thumbup:

Did I mention I won't own any Strider knives.;)

Regards,
3G
 
bearcut, please go back and read my post before yours.
Thanks. Now let's get back to discussing the knives.
 
Actually, I liked Bearcut's post. Hit the mark. As to being any particular makers's apologist, I have said and will repeat, not going there anymore. I note that's exactly what the mods have asked us not to do in this thread specifically.

I really can't pin down a specific knife brand I will never buy. Life has presented me too many opportunities that allow someone to rethink the decision, I mentioned Ruger - but to stay on topic, I'll discuss Buck.

It's practically the quintessential American maker - and they do it all right here. Nonetheless, I couldn't embrace the 110, but adopted the sheath carry until Spyderco invented the clip. I bought a Tarani, found it was a POS, sent it back for QC, and got one just as bad. Figured I would never own a Buck again (there had been others over the years) when a Mayo TNT dropped into my lap for $90. It pays to keep an open mind.

I've never like the Spyderco style, and I've owned one or another since the Gen 1 Endura with integral clip. That exercise in one piece molding didn't work - Sal quickly backed off and went back to metal clips. I've had others, each of which just didn't work out for me - but that doesn't make Spyderco's crap, or put them on a ban list.

I was considering a Tenacious and also saw the Vex. One thing that is guaranteed is that stuff will come from China until some other under employed nation replaces it - like India. As for "Don't buy because," good luck. You won't be buying ANYTHING much for the next decade, specifically electronics. I find it the height of hypocrisy to not buy knives from China while using a computer who's bulk of components are made there.

That aside, I chose the BM Vex at a time lots of consumers are not happy with the maker. QC isn't something to ignore - I have no issues with my blade, it's made in China. I bought it for it's features, which I preferred to the Tenacious. The Ti plated blade is still blemish free after 6 months of cutting belting, hose, and boxes. I know for a fact a blade still in the raw with brushed finish would have been indelibly marked by now - and have a lot more surface friction.

I own a SnG, and have used it for two years. The flames are fading, the Ti has wear, the blade still doesn't need sharpening, and it has never failed me. From a veteran's perspective, I understand and appreciate the design because it delivers exactly what is needed in a hard use knife. Does that mean I will never buy a Sebenza? Not likely right now - cash flow is a significant factor - and I have lots of other objections. But they are largely based on intangibles, and have nothing to do with the knife itself. A large regular Classic with rebated blade would't hurt my feelings at all.

I've learned to never say never, and give room for a different opinion. Most disagreements are usually based on the method, not the goal. Makers come up with different ways to accomplish the same thing - cutting stuff. How the blade interacts with the material, even if lowly cardboard, is exactly the focus of a knife. All the other stuff is pretty much fluff to engage the minds of some easily distracted people.
 
I won't buy:

CRKT
Gerber
Taylor Cutlery or Taylor owned brands

Why?

Because if it wasn't for those companies, we would not have had to deal with U.S. Customs trying to take away our knives. In trying to maximize profits, these companies threw the entire knife community under the bus.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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whitethronebooks said:
This thread started off great and was very helpful to me, a knife newbie, but now it seems to have degenerated. Nevertheless, there are some brands I will now steer clear of because of this thread, and for that I am thankful.

I am surprised that Ka-Bar would show up on anyone's "no buy" list. Their knives seem like great value for the money. I would never baton a Ka-Bar USMC and then complain if it broke. The knife was designed to open rations, pound tent stakes, cut rope, and -- lest we forget -- stab enemies. For these tasks, it excels.
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I would advise you should take some of the knives mentioned with a bit of salt as it is someones own personal opinion. You could miss out on a lot of good designs etc without keeping your eyes open and completely ignoring a company.
 
tirod3 said:
Actually, I liked Bearcut's post. Hit the mark. As to being any particular makers's apologist, I have said and will repeat, not going there anymore. I note that's exactly what the mods have asked us not to do in this thread specifically.

I really can't pin down a specific knife brand I will never buy. Life has presented me too many opportunities that allow someone to rethink the decision, I mentioned Ruger - but to stay on topic, I'll discuss Buck.

It's practically the quintessential American maker - and they do it all right here. Nonetheless, I couldn't embrace the 110, but adopted the sheath carry until Spyderco invented the clip. I bought a Tarani, found it was a POS, sent it back for QC, and got one just as bad. Figured I would never own a Buck again (there had been others over the years) when a Mayo TNT dropped into my lap for $90. It pays to keep an open mind.

I've never like the Spyderco style, and I've owned one or another since the Gen 1 Endura with integral clip. That exercise in one piece molding didn't work - Sal quickly backed off and went back to metal clips. I've had others, each of which just didn't work out for me - but that doesn't make Spyderco's crap, or put them on a ban list.

I was considering a Tenacious and also saw the Vex. One thing that is guaranteed is that stuff will come from China until some other under employed nation replaces it - like India. As for "Don't buy because," good luck. You won't be buying ANYTHING much for the next decade, specifically electronics. I find it the height of hypocrisy to not buy knives from China while using a computer who's bulk of components are made there. That aside, I chose the BM Vex at a time lots of consumers are not happy with the maker. QC isn't something to ignore - I have no issues with my blade, it's made in China. I bought it for it's features, which I preferred to the Tenacious. The Ti plated blade is still blemish free after 6 months of cutting belting, hose, and boxes. I know for a fact a blade still in the raw with brushed finish would have been indelibly marked by now - and have a lot more surface friction.

I own a SnG, and have used it for two years. The flames are fading, the Ti has wear, the blade still doesn't need sharpening, and it has never failed me. From a veteran's perspective, I understand and appreciate the design because it delivers exactly what is needed in a hard use knife. Does that mean I will never buy a Sebenza? Not likely right now - cash flow is a significant factor - and I have lots of other objections. But they are largely based on intangibles, and have nothing to do with the knife itself. A large regular Classic with rebated blade would't hurt my feelings at all.

I've learned to never say never, and give room for a different opinion. Most disagreements are usually based on the method, not the goal. Makers come up with different ways to accomplish the same thing - cutting stuff. How the blade interacts with the material, even if lowly cardboard, is exactly the focus of a knife. All the other stuff is pretty much fluff to engage the minds of some easily distracted people.
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How is it hypocritical to not want a product made in China that is readily available from the US and many other places? Try buying a computer made in the US.:rolleyes: Even though Spyderco and Benchmade have some knives from China I have bought some of the ones from them that are not. That said no matter where they are made I won't buy Dark Ops because of their over the top advertising and really don't care for the styles they offer.
 
Brands I won't buy
Mantis-strange and cheap looking designs
Dark ops-really ugly, really expensive
Emerson-well made knives but doesn't have many clip options (I'm lefty)
TOPS-most models are too expensive for the materials they use
Strider-Bad buisiness ethics, bad egronomics (fixed blades) and they use paracord on most of their knives despite how much the cost

Brands I will buy
Kershaw/ZT-My favorite company :D I own a ZT0301, ZT0200, tyrade, JYD 2,blur plus many more and I love them all. They also have awesome CS
Benchmade-I love the axis lock
Spyderco-They are very nice users and have great egronomics
RAT Cutlery-In my opinion my RC-4 and Izula are among one of the most useful knives I own
And many other brands that would take too long to list :D
 
There are probably no production knife brands that I would never buy, but some that I would be very unlikely to buy:

Gerber
CRKT
Cold Steel
Mantis
Fury
Strider

The production knife brands that I would buy without hesitation are:

Kershaw
Zero Tolerance
Spyderco
Benchmade
Opinel
Buck

I do own a Frost 640 and wouldn't hesitate to buy another if I needed an inexpensive fixed blade. Very sharp and nice ergos for such an inexpensive knife.
 
Kohai999 said:
I can't tell you what I really think here, in this forum....but it ain't sweet dreams, sunshine. You are marked.
STeven Garsson
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And it won't wash off! Oh no! 3 sixes straight across my forehead for all to see! I repent! Oh please, master, make it go away!
 
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