What brands WON'T you own?

It's interesting to see some brands disliked because the perceiver thinks they are "overhyped," "mall ninja," or whatever.

Now, coming out in defense of, say, Dark Ops would be difficult - if their advertising was included. And, considering the origins of the designs, coming from Extrema Ratio, certainly offends those who support a designer's rights to their intellectual property.

Aside from those issues, none of which affect a potential buyer's actual use of the knife (metaphysical - having no substance in the physical world;) we're left with the actual blades. Honest reports and posts have Dark Ops as medium to mediocre quality, depending on the model and era of manufacture. Lots of other makes have had the same issues over the years. Early Gerbers - those wonderful handmade folders and such, were pretty spotty by today's standards. Lots of others were too.

Another perspective is, did the potential buyer understand the advertising and who it's for, or are they reading someone else's mail, so to speak? I find a lots of members here significantly opposed to military oriented advertising themes - and largely without any experience or knowledge themselves. I can only speculate that their negative perceptions of certain knives design and use spring from a complete lack of knowledge of what different military occupations need. There sure are a lot of posters who have no clue at all that the military does not teach, nor do they issue killing knives. The bayonet is taught, but knives as a class are tools only, and used as such, more often in the trade occupations than combatives.

However, I certainly do recognize that certain makers play the combat card to boost sales. It works, too, which only underlines the civilian markets complete ignorance, or a defiant adherance to their fantasy life. Often the hype and overblown talk comes from them, not the maker. Blaming the object as if it had any influence or control over the situation is like claiming it has its own spirit - or is possessed. The only one possessed are those with emotional views of the knife - and not very factually based, if at all.

Overhyped, or just lumped in with the others through ignorance, whatever. The actual knife and it's design has to stand up for itself after all the bs. And a birth certificate is certainly hype and bs in my opinion. What good does that do in cutting? Nada. It's hype. A Buck Mayo TNT for half the price is a better value.
 
I wont own: cold steel, sog, crkt, strider, ontario, gerber.

I wont own because of the price: crk, busse

I wont own in the near future because price, designs and materials are not as appealing to me anymore: Kershaw, Benchmade

I will keep buying: Spyderco, Rat Cutlery, KABAR, and Victorinox.
 
At BladeHQ thousands of knives are sold by same person. That person allows something like that to be sold in his/her store under his/her supervision- what does that say about him/her? What does it say about the store? It's pretty poor judgment.

And I agree with you, some of the ebay rules are too restrictive. I can't buy auto knives, and no C4:thumbdn::grumpy:

The owner of BladeHQ already addressed this in the original thread. As soon as the knives in question were brought to his attention they were immediately pulled. No need to drag him through the mud.
 
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but:

I had no idea about the Dalton knives. :thumbdn: :mad:

I had uncles who died in Europe, helping to defeat the Nazi's; some are buried there. And aunts who still cried at family reunions, when the names of the dead were mentioned, before 'the moment of silence', in their memory.

I normally don't get worked up about this kind of thing, but the thought of a knifemaker putting those symbols on a knife like that sickens me.

By the way, this is one of the most informative threads I've seen in a while. I'm adding a couple more to my 'no-buy' list.

thx - cpr
 
Some I have owned in the past, and some I've never owned. I however will never own (from now forward) any knives made by any of the companies listed below.

-Benchmade
-Cold Steel
-Mantis
-Chris Reeve Knives
-Ontario
-CRKT
-Emerson
-Dark Ops
-Extrema Ratio
-Smith & Wesson
-Kershaw
-SOG
-KaBar
-Gerber
-Bark River
-Boker (unless it's a slippie)
-Busse

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On the flip side.....the following are Brands I WILL buy ...

-Spyderco
-RAT Cutlery
-TOPS Knives
-Strider
-Victorinox
-Buck
-Case
-Mora
-Southard Knives
 
Some I have owned in the past, and some I've never owned. I however will never own (from now forward) any knives made by any of the companies listed below.

-Benchmade
-Chris Reeve Knives
-Emerson

Why? These guys make quality stuff. Didn't you say you liked your cqc10
 
Some I have owned in the past, and some I've never owned. I however will never own (from now forward) any knives made by any of the companies listed below.

-Benchmade
-Cold Steel
-Mantis
-Chris Reeve Knives
-Ontario
-CRKT
-Emerson
-Dark Ops
-Extrema Ratio
-Smith & Wesson
-Kershaw
-SOG
-KaBar
-Gerber
-Bark River
-Boker (unless it's a slippie)
-Busse

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On the flip side.....the following are Brands I WILL buy ...

-Spyderco
-RAT Cutlery
-TOPS Knives
-Strider
-Victorinox
-Buck
-Case
-Mora
-Southard Knives
Why Boker? (Just wondering) They make a decent product. Is it just their designs that don't attract you?
 
Some I have owned in the past, and some I've never owned. I however will never own (from now forward) any knives made by any of the companies listed below.

-Benchmade
-Cold Steel
-Mantis
-Chris Reeve Knives
-Ontario
-CRKT
-Emerson
-Dark Ops
-Extrema Ratio
-Smith & Wesson
-Kershaw
-SOG
-KaBar
-Gerber
-Bark River
-Boker (unless it's a slippie)
-Busse

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On the flip side.....the following are Brands I WILL buy ...

-Spyderco
-RAT Cutlery
-TOPS Knives
-Strider
-Victorinox
-Buck
-Case
-Mora
-Southard Knives

why won't you own crkt, benchmade or emersons? i like all those brands is there something i should know?
 
I like the CRKT M16's - both the carbon fiber and Titanium. Nice knives, and they do exactly what a knife is supposed to do.

If anything, CRKT puts out MORE knives from MORE makers than any other company right now, and IMHO probably leads the pack in innovative designs - at affordable prices. And they stay pretty faithful to the concept. I haven't heard of any really trashy value engineered models - unlike Buck's Tarani FRN and 420 version. That model is precisely what a "signature" version should never be.

If anything, this thread is becoming a list of every make out there. It's obvious there's a lot of unsubstantiated dislike against some makers, and it seems there's one for every brand. If everyone is going to post "I don't like XXX!" and it includes them all, what's the point?

Goes to the heart of the issue - lots of owners don't really have a reason other than their emotional perception of the maker - whether it's based on reason, use, and actual experience has nothing to do with it.

Americans are renown for expressing their opinions, and just as much for not having any value, either. Of course, if knifeowners as a group knew more about their interest, the would be a substantial drop off in sales.

Reasoned decision making would kill off impulse buying and seriously reduce the current trend in churning out new styles. which is about all that has happened for years now. The market is based largely on putting out bright shiny stuff for materialists to carry as badges of rank.

Serious makers need not apply. They get my respect and business.
 
I like the CRKT M16's - both the carbon fiber and Titanium. Nice knives, and they do exactly what a knife is supposed to do.

If anything, CRKT puts out MORE knives from MORE makers than any other company right now, and IMHO probably leads the pack in innovative designs - at affordable prices. And they stay pretty faithful to the concept. I haven't heard of any really trashy value engineered models - unlike Buck's Tarani FRN and 420 version. That model is precisely what a "signature" version should never be.

If anything, this thread is becoming a list of every make out there. It's obvious there's a lot of unsubstantiated dislike against some makers, and it seems there's one for every brand. If everyone is going to post "I don't like XXX!" and it includes them all, what's the point?

Goes to the heart of the issue - lots of owners don't really have a reason other than their emotional perception of the maker - whether it's based on reason, use, and actual experience has nothing to do with it.

Americans are renown for expressing their opinions, and just as much for not having any value, either. Of course, if knifeowners as a group knew more about their interest, the would be a substantial drop off in sales.

Reasoned decision making would kill off impulse buying and seriously reduce the current trend in churning out new styles. which is about all that has happened for years now. The market is based largely on putting out bright shiny stuff for materialists to carry as badges of rank.

Serious makers need not apply. They get my respect and business.

I like the CRKT M16 knives also. I feel confident that the lock won't fail with the Auto LAWKS feature and its simple to open and close with one hand for me. Pretty good value for the money as I got Police blue SRT model CR14LE with aluminum handle and AUS8 blade for $25
 
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Fair enough. I do urge you to reconsider though, as you can see in this thread, Kershaw falls under almost everybody's "good" list.

I think your lock failure was a statistical improbability. Like I said, I completely understand your feelings after an experience like that, but if you give Kershaw another chance, I seriously doubt you will be disappointed again.

2 more points:
- Kershaw DID replace that BOA (i ended up selling it however, just couldn't bring myself to 'trust' it) so kudos for good CS
- i do still own/use some Kershaws, i just won't BUY anymore...

well, never say never i guess ;)
 
Alright now I know about BladeHQ.

Another branded I just remembered to mention here, have seen them with distaste. Blackwater knives made by Benchmade. They renamed themselves to Xe, but still the same company and people. They think they can erase what they did by changing their name.
 
Companies I Will Buy From
Spyderco... (top of the list, the rest is in no particular order)
Benchmade
Kershaw, Zero Tolerance (just wish they have less AO stuff)
Victorinox

Companies I Won't Buy From
MOD, Mantis, Dark Ops (lump these together)
SOG (materials and price point)
Cold Steel (designs do not appeal to me)
Gerber (haven't seen one I'd like to get)
Strider (price point and design)
Chris Reeves (price point)
CRKT (materials, design and AO)

Companies That I May Buy From One Day
Buck
Case (more and more I find myself eyeing these knives)
Lone Wolf
Mcusta
RAT
5.11
Bradley
 
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Ooh...forgot to mention Dalton. I can't support any knifemaker who put white supremacist markings on their knives. I'd comment further but the language I'd use to describe him is only suitable for W&C and does not belong in the General forum.

OK... let me adjust my opinion to include Dalton. So now for me, no really expensive knives and no racist knives. If I keep reading these posts, I may just have a nice "no buy list".
 
Heres what I would buy (plain edge versions only)

Chris Reeve Sebenza (no fixed blades)
Burke Production knives
Buck Mayo
Ferhman fixed blades
Busse fixed blades
Mission fixed blades
If spyderco made a solid Ti framelock with H1 blade
Benchmade Mini Skirmish
Bradely Alias
Protech special edition with solid stainless steel handle
New Kershaw Ti framelock
Crusader Forge fixed blades and ti frame lock folder

Thats about it everything else in my humble opinion sucks. I've pretty much came to the thinking that if its not titanium frame lock its not worth having and should'nt have been made. I find most all other designs pointless and inferior. That said its all just my opinion which is subjective.

I don't think less of someone who buys a folder with an axis lock and G10 slabs over steel liners to be a Dolt, JackAss or Scumbag. Buy what you want and what you can afford, let the rest go. Because I could do everything I need and want to do with a sod buster, mora and cheap axe from Home Depot.
 
Heres what I would buy (plain edge versions only)

Chris Reeve Sebenza (no fixed blades)
Burke Production knives
Buck Mayo
Ferhman fixed blades
Busse fixed blades
Mission fixed blades
If spyderco made a solid Ti framelock with H1 blade
Benchmade Mini Skirmish
Bradely Alias
Protech special edition with solid stainless steel handle
New Kershaw Ti framelock
Crusader Forge fixed blades and ti frame lock folder

Thats about it everything else in my humble opinion sucks. I've pretty much came to the thinking that if its not titanium frame lock its not worth having and should'nt have been made. I find most all other designs pointless and inferior. That said its all just my opinion which is subjective.

I don't think less of someone who buys a folder with an axis lock and G10 slabs over steel liners to be a Dolt, JackAss or Scumbag. Buy what you want and what you can afford, let the rest go. Because I could do everything I need and want to do with a sod buster, mora and cheap axe from Home Depot.

In that case add the Surefire EW04 Delta folder to your list. I just picked up a NIB example second-hand and it's a thing of beauty. No kidding.

Action as smooth (possibly smoother) than a Sebenza (it uses bushings too).

Unmatched machining and very very close tolerances.

S30V blade was extremely sharp from the factory.

Perfect lockup with no movement.

Blade perfectly centered when closed (if that kind of thing interests you).

A little too large (length and width-wise only, it's actually quite slim) for EDC.

Thumbhole in blade isn't as intuitive as say a Spyderco.
 
I don't exclude based on brand but rather price.
+1. If I like a knife but I can't afford it, I don't bother considering it. How well it's made and what kind of press it's received are meaningless to me. If, on the other hand, I like a knife and I can afford it, I usually research the holy hell out of it. I scour the web looking for online reviews. I search all of the major knife forums to see what others have had to say about it. If I'm satisfied that it has the features and quality I'm looking for, I'll buy it. Who manufactures it and where it comes from are secondary concerns to me.
 
Not having an extensive collection of knives, I don't own one of every major brand out there. Right now, just two Benchmades, three CRKTs, one each of Spyderco, Buck and Colt. Although I own three CRKTs, I am not a big fan of theirs. These were purchased at rock bottom prices, and they will probably be the last CRKTs I'll own.

There are certain brands that I inexplicably have no interest in. It may be a combination of overall look of the knife or just my perception of the type of knives they make. For instance, I'll never own a Cold Steel knife, because I don't like the name "Cold Steel". And Kershaw-just don't like the designs of their knives.

Spyderco has a unique look and some good values in their imported knives. (someday would like to get a Sage or one of their premium steel blades).

Benchmade has the Axis lock and a good reputation for building solid knives.

What brands do nothing for you, and you don't see that ever changing?

The ambi knife selection is among the worst in the business. Leave lefties like me out. Will only support knife companies with an ambi ethic.
 
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