When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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I've been silent regarding this until now, as I have no dog in this fight. Never had a Hoback knife, never wanted one.

What I will say is that this 3D Anvil guy is giving Paratrooper a run for the number one spot on my "Bladeforums Doofus Award 2022".

Ignorance is bliss, and obviously has no boundaries. Wow.
 
3D Anvil said:
Dude, you're once again avoiding my response to your post and averting to some made up BS instead.

How about responding to the fact that there would be no problem here -- zero -- if the retailers hadn't posted the incorrect COAs?
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I get what you are saying.

It does prove my point that according to FTC regs, Hoback “implied” that his knives were Made in Usa.

All these retailers did not just get on a group call and conjure up a plan to dupe their customers.
 
shinyedges said:
So Jake hoback tried to tell the dealers some of his knives are made in China, and then he gave up and just profited from deception. Never posted the truth anywhere? Why? 3D Anvil 3D Anvil
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Can't say exactly what he told them, other than that his knives weren't 100% USA made. He had already sold the dealers the knives, so he didn't profit from their deception. But they did....
 
No answer on why he didn't tell people directly himself from social media? That wasn't an option? Right.

He knew damn well it would be negative. He "feared blowback" and he continued to profit.
 
3D Anvil said:
Dude, you're once again avoiding my response to your post and averting to some made up BS instead.

How about responding to the fact that there would be no problem here -- zero -- if the retailers hadn't posted the incorrect COAs?
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Ok. The dealers made a mistake. It happens.

But he knew about it, apparently for years, and has not corrected the issue and let it ride. Why?
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
I get what you are saying.

It does prove my point that according to FTC regs, Hoback “implied” that his knives were Made in Usa.

All these retailers did not just get on a group call and conjure up a plan to dupe their customers.
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I think what they did was copy each other's descriptions. If you look at Hoback's own product specifications, COA is notably absent.
 
3D Anvil said:
Can't say exactly what he told them, other than that his knives weren't 100% USA made. He had already sold the dealers the knives, so he didn't profit from their deception. But they did....
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He didn't need the dealers to come clean on social media, did he? He never did that, why? It wasn't because he was making money off deception, right? What was the "blow back" he feared?
 
3D Anvil said:
I agree, and he should have kept after the retailers until they made the change, and he should have removed them as authorized dealers if they refused.

But it was the retailers who caused the problem to begin with and it's ridiculous that they refuse to accept any blame.
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I'm not prepared to blame retailers for anything.
1) I don't think it's coincidence that all of these dealers got the information wrong
2) I don't think it's coincidence that people from these forums purchasing Hoback knives didn't know what they were buying
3) I don't believe that the dealers universally ignored his requests to change the information.

I can't comment on the hearsay of what Jake supposedly told "dealers", but what is reasonable is saying that Hoback's marketing and information sharing doesn't pass the sniff test-
there doesn't seem to be enough evidence that an average person has a reasonable expectation of knowing the country of origin for a Hoback knife.
Further, in my opinion, the ultimate responsibility for accuracy regarding a product falls on the producer- they are the only ones who know definitively all of the details surrounding their products.
 
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