Just because he's sold through retailers for years doesn't mean that this came to his attention years ago. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But he concedes that he should have been more forceful in getting it corrected. And maybe the retailers should have based their descriptions on actual facts instead of assumptions? Can you at least admit that?
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When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback
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I'm going to repost part a previous comment here for you, since you chose not to respond to it (because it sinks your entire pathetic Hoback defense).
Dealers | Jake Hoback Knives, Inc.
IF YOU'RE A CUSTOMER... We have a terrific network of dealers who are very knowledgeable about our knives and who share our passion for the industry. We rely on their support and feedback, and count on them to represent us well -- whether that means helping you select and purchase your first...
jakehobackknives.com
I count 28 authorized dealers here. I wonder how long it takes to make 28 phone calls?
Ahhhhh, forget it. It'd probably take years.
God, the absolute absurdity of this argument we're in is mind-boggling. My mind is straight friggin' boggled.
So. Please explain to me how allowing 28 dealers to continue to operate under the misconception that Hoback knives were all made in the US is somehow those dealers' fault?
I feel I should point out a few factors that (surprise), contribute to completely vaporizing your complete BS hardheadedness and bad logic.
1. Dealers generally don't get their information from each other. So, where did all 28 of these dealers get the idea that Hoback Knives were "Made in the US"? Plenty of those dealers also sell knives from elsewhere, so why would they just immediately assume his knives were US made?
2. There are 28 dealers, which means Hoback Knives set up contracts with 28 dealers. So, there were 28 opportunities for Jake Hoback to say, write, declare, sing, or otherwise communicate that his products aren't all made in the United States.
3. He allowed 28 dealers to list his products as being US made, and allowed that to continue for years, why? I don't have any concrete evidence or video of him admitting it, but simple critical thinking leads me to believe it's because he was enjoying selling Chinese factory made knives for $600+ dollars, but hey I could be wrong!
4. The excuse of "Well, I told a dealer, and they wouldn't change it!" Really? Ok, so, today's the 4th, and just yesterday we learned that some of Hoback's knives are made overseas (actually we learned MANY of them are). As soon as that knowledge got to several dealers, they changed the descriptions on their website immediately. Gee, that's odd, I mean, it's almost like these Internet Dealers want to properly represent their product, and if Hoback had told them, they would have correctly marked the products from the beginning.
TL;DR Your logic is trash, your position is untenable, and you look like a ridiculous hardhead, who's just arguing just for the sake of trying to defend the indefensible. In short, you're wrong, and are awarded zero points. Also? Hoback isn't going to hang out with you, bro.
SKIDOOSH, mic drop.
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It certainly is.
According to the spreadsheet he offers 32 different knives in folding or fixed blade. 10 of those are straight up made in China. 11 of those are made in USA/China. So.....
31% of them are made in China
34% of them are made in USA/China
China is involved in making 65% of his offerings.
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Were you a party to those conversations? Were they recorded? How can you say what he told them without having been present to witness what was said?
Is there an exception to the hearsay rule for this?
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Pretty sure they both fall under the same topic: Hoback scandal
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So now you're saying he didn't know, for years it was listed incorrectly? Are you kidding. Is anyone else seeing this?
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Come on, man, it's 400 dollars off! You're losing money by not buying it!
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I can't believe someone with no skin in the game would deflect this hard. Make excuse after excuse after excuse. It doesn't make sense.
What I find interesting is how you keep attempting to change the language here. Allow me to set your incorrect comment straight. He claimed in his video that he called ONE (1) dealer, who "just didn't do it", and then "other dealers followed suit".
The fact that you're incapable of understanding how he duped 28 dealers into selling his knives as being made here, as somehow being their fault is pure idiocy on your part.
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What about believing... two someones?
You're assuming that all of those dealers posted false information that was NOT provided by Hoback, which a quick scan shows not to be the case. The first one I checked as White Mountain Knives which does not list a COA for the Sumo (and it's out of stock, so I doubt they changed the listing). They probably used the information from Hoback's website, and JUST the information on Hoback's website.
I'm going to repost part a previous comment here for you, since you chose not to respond to it (because it sinks your entire pathetic Hoback defense).
Dealers | Jake Hoback Knives, Inc.
IF YOU'RE A CUSTOMER... We have a terrific network of dealers who are very knowledgeable about our knives and who share our passion for the industry. We rely on their support and feedback, and count on them to represent us well -- whether that means helping you select and purchase your first...
I count 28 authorized dealers here. I wonder how long it takes to make 28 phone calls?
So again, will you not concede that the retailers bear at least *some* responsibility for posting a false COA that they did not get from the manufacturer? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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he literally said in his video..he didn't fix it cause he feared the blowback and him being called out.......he also admitted he knew he was at fault and admitted that he failed at fixing it due to fear of blowback. said himself.....
why are people arguing against his own statements??? lunacy arguing against what the man said himself.......
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Ok. Gotta work. Catch ya’ll in 45? pages? 
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So never telling your customers the truth is OK?
No, I don't concede that the dealers bear at least "some" responsibility, when we have a dealer rep in this exact thread telling us that Hoback at no time clarified the origin of his knives.
So, do you concede that your pathetic attempts to foist Hoback's deception off onto the dealers is stupid? A simple yes or no will suffice.
P.S. Thank you for proving my point with your inability to answer to any of my statements posed.
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