When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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3D Anvil said:
You're talking about the retailers, right? The retailers who lied to their customers?
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The retailers did not lie to their customers. THe retailers were under the impression, put out by Hoback , that the knives were Made in the USA. Hoback knew that was not true, Hoback said he didn't correct those assumpti0ons because he didn't want blowback.

Retailers put out information that they thought was true. This was not intentional.

Hoback, at the very least, used deception and misleading statements to make it seem as if his knives were all US made, and when people published info based on those impressions, he let that information stay because he didn't want to have blowback. That is an intentional act.

Retailers dealt with the issue as soon as they were informed, even though it may have negative consequences. Hoback did not deal with the issue until he was forced to because he thought it may have negative consequences.. See how those are different?
 
Quiet said:
Which is hilarious considering Anvil here seems to believe it's the dealers' fault, those wicked dealers, and that poor, innocent Hoback takes no blame.
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Nope, as I've said from the beginning, both sides share the blame. The retailers shouldn't have made up the COA, and Hoback should have done more to call them out on it.
 
Quiet said:
So, what you're saying is that there is no "false COA". Got it. More lies, from someone who can't read, and doesn't listen. Hoback's video basically destroys every point you've tried to make.
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A: very very dense.

When DLT posted that the knife was made in the USA, that was a false COA. It's also false advertising. And if anyone was to sue over it, guess who would be liable and who would not? DLT falsely claimed that the knives were made in the USA. Hoback did not.
 
I'm personally still waiting on Anvil here to explain to me how Jake Hoback set up a business contract with 28 dealers over a series of however many years, and not once was he able to get any dealer to correctly list the country of origin for his knives, despite the fact that ALL of them sell knives made elsewhere with no problems, and wouldn't just make up a country of origin in order to sell Hoback's knives.

The information came from somewhere, and we all know at this point that it was Hoback himself. He let these companies sell his knives, listed as made in the US so he could charge the prices he wanted to charge. That is a fact.
 
3D Anvil said:
A: very very dense.

When DLT posted that the knife was made in the USA, that was a false COA. It's also false advertising. And if anyone was to sue over it, guess who would be liable and who would not? DLT falsely claimed that the knives were made in the USA. Hoback did not.
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So, words on a screen that Hoback allowed DLT to state is now their "false advertising", got it. Dense is right.
 
3D Anvil said:
A: very very dense.

When DLT posted that the knife was made in the USA, that was a false COA. It's also false advertising. And if anyone was to sue over it, guess who would be liable and who would not? DLT falsely claimed that the knives were made in the USA. Hoback did not.
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How is an incorrect listing the same as a false COA? A COA is literally a certificate...
 
Blues said:
3D Anvil 3D Anvil

I'll ask again, were you or were you not a party to the conversations you reference between Hoback and the vendors. If not, you cannot state with authority what was said absent a recording of some sort, as it's hearsay.

If you were, you're a witness and can tell us exactly what was said.

So, which is it?
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Quiet said:
I'm personally still waiting on Anvil here to explain to me how Jake Hoback set up a business contract with 28 dealers over a series of however many years, and not once was he able to get any dealer to correctly list the country of origin for his knives, despite the fact that ALL of them sell knives made elsewhere with no problems, and wouldn't just make up a country of origin in order to sell Hoback's knives.

The information came from somewhere, and we all know at this point that it was Hoback himself. He let these companies sell his knives, listed as made in the US so he could charge the prices he wanted to charge. That is a fact.
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Now that sounds like a conspiracy! That's a serious situation if a cartel of knife sellers set out to misrepresent his work.

This kind of conspiracy among the dealers is the only reasonable way to explain all 28 of them having matching false information .

The defense rests!
 
Quiet said:
I'm personally still waiting on Anvil here to explain to me how Jake Hoback set up a business contract with 28 dealers over a series of however many years, and not once was he able to get any dealer to correctly list the country of origin for his knives, despite the fact that ALL of them sell knives made elsewhere with no problems, and wouldn't just make up a country of origin in order to sell Hoback's knives.

The information came from somewhere, and we all know at this point that it was Hoback himself. He let these companies sell his knives, listed as made in the US so he could charge the prices he wanted to charge. That is a fact.
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It's not complicated. Hoback never provided a COA for his knives. He gave them the knives and they advertised them however they chose to advertise them.
 
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