When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

[Blues]

That's

It's not complicated. Hoback never provided a COA for his knives. He gave them the knives and they advertised them however they chose to advertise them.

That's weak sauce.

 

[shinyedges]

Nope, what I said is that it's Hoback's right not to disclose the origin of his knives. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy them.

What about coming clean about the misinformation selling his knives? You blame the dealers but why didn't he ever post the facts on social media?

 

[Quiet]

It's not complicated. Hoback never provided a COA for his knives. He gave them the knives and they advertised them however they chose to advertise them.

Ok, great, so this "false COA", what did it look like? Do you have a pic? Also, you're wrong here, please stop acting like you're speaking from place of knowledge. These wild assumptions you're making all over the place are stupid, thanks.

Also, I already destroyed this point you keep trying to make. Reading appears to be difficult for you so I'll try to use small words. "Hoback said his knives are from China, that same night, Dealers pulled the Made in US listings" Those words small enough?

Almost as if, if Hoback had told them years ago, they'd have done it then. So, why couldn't/didn't they do it then, but did do it now? The logical answer is because he never specified.

I swear, I feel like I'm destroying a four year old in a college level debate class here.

 

[3D Anvil]

That's

That's weak sauce.

It's reality. Hoback isn't responsible for writing the advertising copy for 28 retailers. He gives them the knives. His website has the specs for the knives. Nowhere on his website does it say, "Made in USA."

 

[3D Anvil]

What about coming clean about the misinformation selling his knives? You blame the dealers but why didn't he ever post the facts on social media?

Asked and answered.

 

[Danke42]

It's not complicated. Hoback never provided a COA for his knives. He gave them the knives and they advertised them however they chose to advertise them.

Exactly and by happenstance they all invented the term "Made in the USA".

Jake's the real victim here!

 

[shinyedges]

It's reality. Hoback isn't responsible for writing the advertising copy for 28 retailers. He gives them the knives. His website has the specs for the knives. Nowhere on his website does it say, "Made in USA."

Is he responsible for staying silent for "fear of blowback" ? While selling knives off of misinformation?

 

[Blues]

It's reality. Hoback isn't responsible for writing the advertising copy for 28 retailers. He gives them the knives. His website has the specs for the knives. Nowhere on his website does it say, "Made in USA."

And you have not answered, three times now, whether you were a party to the conversations between Hoback and the vendors...otherwise it's hearsay that you offer as proof.

So, which is it?

 

[Quiet]

Now that sounds like a conspiracy! That's a serious situation if a cartel of knife sellers set out to misrepresent his work.

This kind of conspiracy among the dealers is the only reasonable way to explain all 28 of them having matching false information .

The defense rests!

Right???? This means, in 28 different instances of contact, be that phone, in person, Zoom call, text, tweet, email, or even two cans and some damn string, in 28 instances Hoback was incapable of informing these dealers that the product they were entering into a contract to sell for him, some of that product was made in China. TWENTY EIGHT TIMES!!!!!

This genius seems to think that this scenario is the most plausible, instead of what clearly actually happened, in that Jake rode the "Made in the US" train on the road to MaxProfit$.

 

[shinyedges]

The dealers mislabeled his knives and when he tried to correct of them was ignored, and then gave up. Never posted the truth on social media. Why does he need the dealers to tell people, he has direct access to the world.

Greed.

 

[3D Anvil]

And you have not answered, three times now, whether you were a party to the conversations between Hoback and the vendors...otherwise it's hearsay that you offer as proof.

So, which is it?

Well, I think it's safe to say that the vendors would have told us that Hoback TOLD THEM that his knives were made in the USA. They haven't made that claim. What they've said is that they ASSUMED the knives were made in the USA.

 

[3D Anvil]

The dealers mislabeled his knives and when he tried to correct of them was ignored, and then gave up. Never posted the truth on social media. Why does he need the dealers to tell people, he has direct access to the world.

Greed.

He just posted the truth on social media.

 

[Dwarven]

The retailers did not lie to their customers. THe retailers were under the impression, put out by Hoback , that the knives were Made in the USA. Hoback knew that was not true, Hoback said he didn't correct those assumpti0ons because he didn't want blowback.

Retailers put out information that they thought was true. This was not intentional.

Hoback, at the very least, used deception and misleading statements to make it seem as if his knives were all US made, and when people published info based on those impressions, he let that information stay because he didn't want to have blowback. That is an intentional act.

Retailers dealt with the issue as soon as they were informed, even though it may have negative consequences. Hoback did not deal with the issue until he was forced to because he thought it may have negative consequences.. See how those are different?

This.

 

[Blues]

Well, I think it's safe to say that the vendors would have told us that Hoback TOLD THEM that his knives were made in the USA. They haven't made that claim. What they've said is that they ASSUMED the knives were made in the USA.

That is not an answer to my question.

 

[shinyedges]

He just posted the truth on social media.

After refusing to do so, and failing to do so for 5 years. While selling knives made in China as made in the USA. That is a FACT.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Hoback's marketing and information sharing doesn't pass the sniff test-
there doesn't seem to be enough evidence that an average person has a reasonable expectation of knowing the country of origin for a Hoback knife.

It's not complicated. Hoback never provided a COA for his knives. He gave them the knives and they advertised them however they chose to advertise them.

So plausible deniability is what we're going with now?

Not stating facts and letting other people connect the dots... brilliant.

 

[3D Anvil]

After refusing to do so, and failing to do so for 5 years. While selling knives made in China as made in the USA. That is a FACT.

5 years is just your worst-case assumption. We don't know when it first came to his attention or when he contacted them.

 

[Quiet]

It's reality. Hoback isn't responsible for writing the advertising copy for 28 retailers. He gives them the knives. His website has the specs for the knives. Nowhere on his website does it say, "Made in USA."

So, now it looks like Anvil was in the room when Jake made those deals with those 28 dealers, to hear him speak of it. Knife dealers who for some reason never asked where these knives were made, they just said "Hey, this dude seems like a good guy, see the Bible quote on his knives? Oh yeah, these are made in American fer sher, let's run with it."

Maybe a dealer or two, but all the dealers out there?! LMAO

So dumb.

 

[shinyedges]

5 years is just your worst-case assumption. We don't know when it first came to his attention or when he contacted them.

I guess we'll never know because the dealers in this thread WERE NEVER CONTACTED.

How do you know he contacted anyone?

 

[3D Anvil]

So plausible deniability is what we're going with now?

Not stating facts and letting other people connect the dots... brilliant.

Other people being the retailers who made up a country of origin based off of hair-brained assumptions and in no way based on anything Hoback told them.