When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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Quiet said:
Given that the going theory from some folks seems to be that the dealers do whatever they want with no input or correction from the makers they work with, I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a video sometime soon with an apology for why his knives cost so much. “Well I mean, I told this one dealer not to charge $650, but it didn’t get corrected and then they were all doing it….”

Hey, gotta feed that family, I get it!
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Actual photo of Hoback dealers meeting to set very high prices.

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Dadpool said:
Much appreciated, thank you.

I wonder if he realized how hard that spreadsheet was going to crater his pricing model.
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Which is absolutely and unequivocally why it was yanked. Either he realized that, or someone at his company was like “Uh…Boss? Nobody is going to be paying $650 for a Chinese knife made by an unknown OEM, my guy…”
 
3D Anvil said:
I've been in scores of them, and this is how it would go:

ATTNY: Could you read from this printout of your webpage where it says, country of origin?

RTLR: It says USA.

ATTNY: And did Jake Hoback or anyone in his employ tell you that the knives were made in the USA?

RTLR: No.

ATTNY: I move to dismiss.

JUDGE: Granted.
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now I know youre not a lawyer ......
 
jbmonkey said:
now I know youre not a lawyer ......
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Why does it matter if he is or isn’t? He doesn’t have to be one to have an opinion. If that’s the case, everyone without a Hoback knife should stop commenting.. because unless you have a Hoback knife, you’re not qualified to talk about Hoback.

See what I did there?
 
Danke42 said:
Not being versed in commerce or business myself I wonder who would set those high retail prices.

28 different dealers or the knife importer?
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That probably varies, but my understanding is that makers generally have prices set for when they sell direct to customers, and "wholesale" prices they provide to a retailer / dealer in exchange for the buyer doing so in bulk. The level of markup between the wholesale cost and final price from a given dealer can be agreed upon before a bulk sale is made, and I assume that with some minor adjustments or specific purchasing deals, most dealers / retailers see about the same wholesale cost.

For the reason why the retail prices would be so high, I think that comes down to supply and demand. If you can afford to price your knives highly because you know they'll sell at that price... I'm pretty confident that in most cases, the final retail price is agreed to by both the maker and the retailer before anything exchanges hands.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Why does it matter if he is or isn’t? He doesn’t have to be one to have an opinion. If that’s the case, everyone without a Hoback knife should stop commenting.. because unless you have a Hoback knife, you’re not qualified to talk about Hoback.

See what I did there?
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so shinyedge can stay as he was an owner and you need to go since you aren't an owner...of a hoback Chinese made knife sold as American made knife. got it.....

BTW which did ya buy ya said you were going to? great thread to show it off and help drive those Chinese made sales.......
 
Quiet said:
Which is absolutely and unequivocally why it was yanked. Either he realized that, or someone at his company was like “Uh…Boss? Nobody is going to be paying $650 for a Chinese knife made by an unknown OEM, my guy…”
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It’s worth what someone is willing to pay.
 
The_Iron_Joe said:
That probably varies, but my understanding is that makers generally have prices set for when they sell direct to customers, and "wholesale" prices they provide to a retailer / dealer in exchange for the buyer doing so in bulk. The level of markup between the wholesale cost and final price from a given dealer can be agreed upon before a bulk sale is made, and I assume that with some minor adjustments or specific purchasing deals, most dealers / retailers see about the same wholesale cost.

For the reason why the retail prices would be so high, I think that comes down to supply and demand. If you can afford to price your knives highly because you know they'll sell at that price... I'm pretty confident that in most cases, the final retail price is agreed to by both the maker and the retailer before anything exchanges hands.
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All of this sounds like it would be something that was decided during some period of say, communication between the dealer and the maker. Sounds like that would have been the perfect time to slip in that a significant portion of these knives will be Chinese made, no? I know, I know, that’s just crazy talk.
 
jbmonkey said:
so shinyedge can stay as he was an owner and you need to go since you aren't an owner...of a hoback Chinese made knife sold as American made knife. got it.....

BTW which did ya buy ya said you were going to? great thread to show it off and help drive those Chinese made sales.......
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Nope, he has to go. He shot his in half so he no longer has one.
 

Bladeshow 2021 Hoback booth. Listen to the conversation in the background, not the foreground.

Attempt at trascription:

So do you make everything here?

Yep.

That’s awesome dude.

Yup, yeah. We’ve got a lot of uhh we do a lot of different manufacturing umm we’ve got a machine shop and then we uh outsource machine some stuff <goes inaudible>
 
jbmonkey said:
lol, but still has the pieces.......gets to stay by your rules.....
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The handle is intact lol that's not the only knife I've had of Jake's either. Paratrooper has never owned a hoback. He's just here to argue over something he has never owned.
 
3D Anvil said:
"These fools will pay any price if we tell them they're made in the USA! BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
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That's kind of how false advertising works.

Now we just need to decide what a reasonable source of the falsehood is. 28 independent and unconnected dealers or the importer.

I think I will apply Occam's razor and see what's more plausible.
 
Gonna make this real simple. To get Chinese made knives into the country and through customs they must be clearly labeled Made in China. Jake Hoback took delivery of those knives made in China and, before shipping them to dealers, removed the evidence of their country of manufacture. The only other argument is that 28 different dealers all missed the Made in China labeling present on about a third of the models he sent them.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Gonna make this real simple. To get Chinese made knives into the country and through customs they must be clearly labeled Made in China. Jake Hoback took delivery of those knives made in China and, before shipping them to dealers, removed the evidence of their country of manufacture. The only other argument is that 28 different dealers all missed the Made in China labeling present on about a third of the models he sent them.
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Not only that, but the dealers must have then removed the "made in China" tags themselves. Which I find unlikely.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Gonna make this real simple. To get Chinese made knives into the country and through customs they must be clearly labeled Made in China. Jake Hoback took delivery of those knives made in China and, before shipping them to dealers, removed the evidence of their country of manufacture. The only other argument is that 28 different dealers all missed the Made in China labeling present on about a third of the models he sent them.
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No they don’t… anyone that works for a global manufacturer knows this. An import declaration and a sticker on the box are NOT the same thing. The import declaration is the important document. Whether each knife says “made in China” is NOT… as others that own anything made by Reate for Pena will attest to.
 
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