When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

[King of the Cheese]

Good idea.

Oh, and @shinyedges ......not with bullets, explosives or fire please.....just for this task.

Yes for the love of god don’t shoot it again.. I fear for the neighbors lives.

 

[Spey]

Guess what the sticker says?

I read Made In China (on the oval sticker), and it appears as residual text as if someone pulled the actual sticker and only remnant text remains visible.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

But you’re using it to bash Hoback, and not anyone else.

Imagine a cop watching 5 cars race by at 25 mph over speed limit.. but let’s say he decided to pull over Jake Hoback.

This is essentially what you’re doing.

A. Even if that was what I was doing, that would do absolutely nothing to absolve Hoback of wrongdoing. B. That's utter nonsense, because the heart of this is Hoback decieving dealers about the country of origin of his knives. That's not at all what Pena is doing. Hell, we have photographic evidence in this thread of a Pena knife with a Made in China sticker on the packaging.

 

[King of the Cheese]

I read Made In China (on the oval sticker), and it appears as residual text as if someone pulled the actual sticker and only remnant text remains visible.

I think that tiny sticker is a customer courtesy more so than a legal requirement.

 

[King of the Cheese]

A. Even if that was what I was doing, that would do absolutely nothing to absolve Hoback of wrongdoing. B. That's utter nonsense, because the heart of this is Hoback decieving dealers about the country of origin of his knives. That's not at all what Pena is doing. Hell, we have photographic evidence in this thread of a Pena knife with a Made in China sticker on the packaging.

A.) It proves you’re setting a double-standard because you dismissed my example as “off-topic” when I proved you wrong.

B.) That “photographic evidence” showed up AFTER you already threw every excuse you could muster at me.

 

[Blackfish775]

In case anyone wants to argue that the photo of the pena box was photoshopped, here's a video review. At 1:16 you can clearly see the made in china sticker on the Pena box.

 

[SCTorrero]

Mine don’t have it. When will the police serve a search warrant on Pena?

This line of argument is so stupid, it doesn't even qualify as wrong.

You have made implicit assumptions about all of Pena's packaging in support of your argument. Your assumption is demonstrably wrong and the argument it supports is utterly irrelevant.

 

[Spey]

I think that tiny sticker is a customer courtesy more so than a legal requirement.

Regardless, my comment was related to wondering who and when the sticker was placed AND when & who removed (if removed as it appears to me).
Could be the owner removed OR could it be the mfr. placed the sticker and the dealer removed ...?
Regardless, the box appears to have been marked with origin of mfr.

 

[Blackfish775]

Nope, he has to go. He shot his in half so he no longer has one.

That just means he has two now.

 

[King of the Cheese]

This line of argument is so stupid, it doesn't even qualify as wrong.

You have made implicit assumptions about all of Pena's packaging in support of your argument. Your assumption is demonstrably wrong and the argument it supports is utterly irrelevant.

How am I WRONG when I have two Pena knives sitting literally right in front of me that don’t have the sticker??

Either the sticker is there or it isn’t. If it isn’t, your point it irrelevent.

 

[Blackfish775]

I think that tiny sticker is a customer courtesy more so than a legal requirement.

That would be a dumb thing to think considering that Insipid Moniker clearly laid out the legal requirements for such labeling on import products.

 

[King of the Cheese]

That just means he has two now.

True. Me? I would’ve sold it. But I guess I don’t feel so strongly about it that I would waste my hard-earned unemployment money on it.

 

[Boru13]

Mine don’t have it.

Probably fell off in transit

 

[King of the Cheese]

That would be a dumb thing to think considering that Insipid Moniker clearly laid out the legal requirements for such labeling on import products.

Yet mine don’t have it. Like I asked earlier, when are we going after Pena? We creating a “Pena doesn‘t put COO stickers on all boxes” thread? Gotta be consistent.

 

[RBB2]

Many small startups in the knife community were/are doing exact type of outsourcing, while allowing community to believe they are in-house mfr.

Like who?

 

[RBB2]

I think that tiny sticker is a customer courtesy more so than a legal requirement.

LMAO

 

[Insipid Moniker]

A.) It proves you’re setting a double-standard because you dismissed my example as “off-topic” when I proved you wrong.

B.) That “photographic evidence” showed up AFTER you already threw every excuse you could muster at me.

It doesn't at all prove that. It proves you were off topic because we aren't discussing Pena Knives, we're discussing the fact that Jake Hoback knowingly concealed the country of origin of his knives from the dealers he used. So the evidence that you're utterly wrong somehow doesn't count because it wasn't presented before you were utterly wrong? That's quite some logic.

 

[Blackfish775]

A couple of things.

1. It appears that Hoback failed to label his products as required by law. I doubt that will ever matter.

2. Whether or not what Hoback did was illegal is really irrelevant to us here on BladeForums, other than those who like to argue about dumb stuff. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and just because something is legal or moral, doesn't make it good business practice.

What Strider does to unsuspecting pieces of steel is neither illegal nor immoral, but it sure as hell isn't the sort of thing that makes me want to buy his product. Hoback admits that he didn't take steps to correct the provenance of his knives, and lied either tacitly or implicitly. Finding that out, a lot of people now regret purchases, and are stating that they will not purchase in the future.

Whether legal or not, or moral or not, Hoback's decisions were not good business practice.

 

[King of the Cheese]

It doesn't at all prove that. It proves you were off topic because we aren't discussing Pena Knives, we're discussing the fact that Jake Hoback knowing concealed the country of origin of his knives from the dealers he used. So the evidence that you're utterly wrong somehow doesn't count because it wasn't presented before you were utterly wrong? That's quite some logic.

What if the stickers just fell off in transit to the distributors?

 

[King of the Cheese]

A couple of things.

1. It appears that Hoback failed to label his products as required by law. I doubt that will ever matter.

2. Whether or not what Hoback did was illegal is really irrelevant to us here on BladeForums, other than those who like to argue about dumb stuff. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and just because something is legal or moral, doesn't make it good business practice.

What Strider does to unsuspecting pieces of steel is neither illegal nor immoral, but it sure as hell isn't the sort of thing that makes me want to buy his product. Hoback admits that he didn't take steps to correct the provenance of his knives, and lied either tacitly or implicitly. Finding that out, a lot of people now regret purchases, and are stating that they will not purchase in the future.

Whether legal or not, or moral or not, Hoback's decisions were not good business practice.

Hoback is doing more to fix this than Mickey Burglar ever did. Apples vs. oranges.