When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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rpstrimple said:
The guy posts selfie videos in front of an American flag and quotes bible verses everywhere. And he has never ever addressed where his knives are actually made before. It's not a huge leap to think that folks (and dealers) would take that to mean Made in USA. This is not on the dealers. An honest businessman would've disclosed where they are getting parts from, how much of the knife is made overseas, and what all is actually completed in USA. He has never done that.

On a separate issue, or "trend" i'm noticing with "USA designed" made overseas knives, is that no one wants to mention who or where their knives are being made. It's almost as if they know that knife folks will turn their back on them when they hear the C word. And situations like this make it worse for everyone. What's the harm in naming the company making your knives? "It puts the relationship in jeopardy", I find that to be a very lackluster explanation. Sorry, but I'm not buying your knives when you are pulling the wool over folks' eyes......
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merkon said:
https://www.knifecountryusa.com/store/product/314388.314393/hoback-021bp-sumo-button-lock-black.html

represented as made in the USA

is made in China

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I directed the folks at knife country to Hoback's website to point out that the Sumo is actually produced in China,Since Jake might be too busy to correct such erroneous misinformation.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Again, not the point. I was using Pena to argue against Insipid’s point that the stickers have to be on the box. Keep up.
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No. It is obvious why you’re deflecting the Hoback conversation to Peña. By projecting what Hoback is guilty of, over Peña’s case ( and this is false projection because Peña never hides the country of origin) you are hiding the fact tha you don’t have argument for defending Hoback, this is the bottom line.
You cannot show a text by Hoback, similar to the text I gave you as example of Peña stating his Reate colab.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Ah, I removed them. How convenient! That would suit you just fine.
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I didn't say you removed them. I said that you have not provided pictures/videos that show your boxes don't have the sticker.


Paratrooper06 said:
That wasn’t the point being made. Insipid stated the stickers had to be on the product. I have two examples in which they don’t.
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Insipid quoted the relevant sections of law from the government website devoted to such thing. You say you have two examples in which they don't, which is not the same as having two examples in which they don't.


Paratrooper06 said:
Not talking about Hoback. Talking about Pena. Put the goalpost down.
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If you're not talking about Hoback, then you're in the wrong thread.



Paratrooper06 said:
Irrelevant because I just made Insipid look bad? Convenient. I guess I was just expected to take an “L” here.. and not prove you wrong.
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None of the things you've said have made Insipid look bad. .
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Ah, I removed them. How convenient! That would suit you just fine.

That wasn’t the point being made. Insipid stated the stickers had to be on the product. I have two examples in which they don’t.

Not talking about Hoback. Talking about Pena. Put the goalpost down.

Irrelevant because I just made Insipid look bad? Convenient. I guess I was just expected to take an “L” here.. and not prove you wrong.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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You seem to be confusing legal policies and immutable laws of the universe. The law requires that the product or packaging be labeled which, again, I linked directly to that policy on the webpage of the entity responsible for enforcing it. That two of your boxes didn't have stickers does absolutely nothing to alter this immutable fact and that you think it does says a huge amount about your reading comprehension and capacity for logical thought.
 
Blackfish775 said:
I didn't say you removed them. I said that you have not provided pictures/videos that show your boxes don't have the sticker.
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So?
Blackfish775 said:
Insipid quoted the relevant sections of law from the government website devoted to such thing. You say you have two examples in which they don't, which is not the same as having two examples in which they don't.
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I named two.
Blackfish775 said:
If you're not talking about Hoback, then you're in the wrong thread.
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Insipid stated the sticker was required on all products coming into the US. I provided two examples in which it isn’t. Now you’re complaining because I provided examples that aren’t “Hoback”? That’s rich. 😆
Blackfish775 said:
None of the things you've said have made Insipid look bad. .
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Paratrooper06 said:
Give it a rest. I already asked you to take your crap to w&c. Don’t bring it here and decide to stop hiding from me just because you think you have an audience of fans.
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There's no reason for me to take my discussion of Hoback and his business practices to W&C because this is the thread for that topic. If anything, you should take your whining about other members to the thread in W&C you made to whine about other members.

Paratrooper06 said:
Would it matter? Of course not.
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Having pictures/videos of your boxes without the made in China stickers would matter to your assertion that your boxes don't have made in china stickers. If you don't have any interest in supporting your own argument, then don't. *shrugs*


Paratrooper06 said:
And that is a parallel with Mickey Burglar…. How?
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" But, now that you've mentioned it, Hoback is doing the same deny/distract/downplay/delete game that Strider did when his bullshit came out."
 
Paratrooper06 said:
So?

I named two.

Insipid stated the sticker was required on all products coming into the US. I provided two examples in which it isn’t. Now you’re complaining because I provided examples that aren’t “Hoback”? That’s rich. 😆

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You named examples where the sticker wasn't present, you have no examples where it wasn't required. That's why your argument is absurd and easy to dismiss.
 
Blackfish775 said:
There's no reason for me to take my discussion of Hoback and his business practices to W&C because this is the thread for that topic. If anything, you should take your whining about other members to the thread in W&C you made to whine about other members.
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Your criticism of my integrity is not a “Hoback” topic. I’ve asked three times now for you to take this to w&c. What’s your game here? To piss off moderators and get the thread shut down.. then blame me for it because you kept bringing w&c crap to the open forum? Well, there is a precedent for it with you.
Blackfish775 said:
Having pictures/videos of your boxes without the made in China stickers would matter to your assertion that your boxes don't have made in china stickers. If you don't have any interest in supporting your own argument, then don't. *shrugs*
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Just as likely someone found “made in China” stickers and out them on a Pena box. Right? Of course.. but you won’t admit to it.
Blackfish775 said:
" But, now that you've mentioned it, Hoback is doing the same deny/distract/downplay/delete game that Strider did when his bullshit came out."
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No, still not the same.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
So?
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So, you have not provided any evidence that you have Pena boxes without stickers stating that they're made in China. Saying you have two Pena boxes without stickers != you have two Pena boxes without stickers.

Were you to have two Pena boxes without stickers, it would still not change that the law requires country of origin to be labeled on products that are imported into the US, as Insipid brought up and provided evidence for. Derek Chauvin committing murder doesn't mean that there are no laws against Murder.
 
DustinK said:
Is this thread really 55 pages of two idiots arguing with everyone else? I can't tell for sure since I blocked both of them, one of which weeks ago.
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Basically yeah, interspersed with the occasional update.

So if you know about Hoback's IG posts and apology, their subsequent deletion, and that audio of him saying "yeah it's all made here" at a trade show you're not missing anything in these 55 pages.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Your criticism of my integrity is not a “Hoback” topic. I’ve asked three times now for you to take this to w&c. What’s your game here? To piss off moderators and get the thread shut down.. then blame me for it because you kept bringing w&c crap to the open forum? Well, there is a precedent for it with you.

Just as likely someone found “made in China” stickers and out them on a Pena box. Right? Of course.. but you won’t admit to it.

No, still not the same.
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You think it's just as likely that someone found a random Made in China sticker and put it on a Pena Knives box that's made in China as you do that stickers came off?
 
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