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When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback
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Super odd his videos are gone and now this is brought up. Suspect as hell. I smell some bull crap... this dude is way more defensive than some random guy.
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He didn't lie about that. Shiny repeatedly stated that is what Hoback said.
Shiny repeating Hoback's comments don't make him a liar, dealers repeating Hoback's COO claims don't make them liars, and me repeating what you say doesn't make me a liar.
Hope that helps.
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This guy calls me a liar, while defending Jake hoback and pretending not to hear the very clear "you make everything here, YEP".
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In the course of this thread, I have repeatedly asked for information upon which one might base a fair conclusion...as someone with no skin in the game and a desire to get to the truth.
The types of questions asked were what I might routinely ask during the course of an investigation in years past.
I have repeatedly received nuanced answers, hearsay offered as fact and evasive replies from the pro-Hoback faction...along with a steadfast refusal to consider anything counter to their entrenched position and foregone conclusions.
Additionally, I had the opportunity to hear from at least one or more vendors, and from Hoback himself in a video he had posted...in which he accepted (to some extent) his own guilt in the matter, while trying to lay much of it off on others...including his failure to deal with the matter in an honest and straightforward fashion.
While I cannot say that I am in possession of all the facts in this case, from what I have read and heard so far, the preponderance of the evidence puts the wrongdoing firmly in the lap of Mr. Hoback.
I'm not buying the conspiracy theory that suggests that the vendors all got together in a cabal to dupe their buyers, or like sheep copied each others ads, to describe his knives as "made in the USA".
These vendors sell a plethora of Chinese and off-shore built knives of varying quality, from low to high, and have never shied from labeling the country of origin, and have no problem selling them. It defies reason to believe that they would have made an exception in the case of Hoback's work and willfully gone ahead to misrepresent them...absent Hoback's having withheld pertinent information about the country of origin of various knives he had sent to them for sale to the public.
That's what I have gleaned from the totality of information presented in this thread.
I'm happy to be proven wrong. Proven...with facts. Not conjecture, hyperbole, innuendo nor hearsay offered as facts.
Some folks still care about the truth, regardless of the assertions of those who would paint them otherwise for not taking their side absent evidence to support their claims.
And that's all I got.
The types of questions asked were what I might routinely ask during the course of an investigation in years past.
I have repeatedly received nuanced answers, hearsay offered as fact and evasive replies from the pro-Hoback faction...along with a steadfast refusal to consider anything counter to their entrenched position and foregone conclusions.
Additionally, I had the opportunity to hear from at least one or more vendors, and from Hoback himself in a video he had posted...in which he accepted (to some extent) his own guilt in the matter, while trying to lay much of it off on others...including his failure to deal with the matter in an honest and straightforward fashion.
While I cannot say that I am in possession of all the facts in this case, from what I have read and heard so far, the preponderance of the evidence puts the wrongdoing firmly in the lap of Mr. Hoback.
I'm not buying the conspiracy theory that suggests that the vendors all got together in a cabal to dupe their buyers, or like sheep copied each others ads, to describe his knives as "made in the USA".
These vendors sell a plethora of Chinese and off-shore built knives of varying quality, from low to high, and have never shied from labeling the country of origin, and have no problem selling them. It defies reason to believe that they would have made an exception in the case of Hoback's work and willfully gone ahead to misrepresent them...absent Hoback's having withheld pertinent information about the country of origin of various knives he had sent to them for sale to the public.
That's what I have gleaned from the totality of information presented in this thread.
I'm happy to be proven wrong. Proven...with facts. Not conjecture, hyperbole, innuendo nor hearsay offered as facts.
Some folks still care about the truth, regardless of the assertions of those who would paint them otherwise for not taking their side absent evidence to support their claims.
And that's all I got.
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Cui Bono is alway relevant and it's hard to understand what 3D gets out of trying to deflect away from or straight up ignore Hoback's poor behavior.
Dude, you posted a video from Stassa who was filming a bit about the Sumo. In the background you can barely make out what sounds like Hoback talking to a guy. Did you mention the part a little ways on from the part you want to focus on, where he says that he shops out some of his work?
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Odd that you only decided to argue the point after he had deleted it.
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You left out the part where it no longer exists because Hoback got rid of it. Like he got rid of the apology video. Like he got rid of the COO chart.
Gee, why would those things have disappeared all at the same time?
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So we can safely assume that there wasn't too much background noise for you to hear that. Remarkably convenient.
I don't think, and never claimed that it's a conspiracy by the vendors. I just think that what mostly happened is what Hoback says happened. A big vendor posted that the COA is USA and some (not all) all of the other vendors went by that and listed their knives the same way. Not a conspiracy. Nothing intentionally deceptive. Just a comedy of errors, which Hoback failed to snuff.
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I honestly don't know, but it's extremely apparent there is willful ignorance on his part of any wrong doing by Jake.
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Why delete a shop update video? Does that even make sense? Unless there is something in that video he doesn't want used against him.
I can hear the early part, too, but I don't know what the context was. The asks if you make "this stuff" or "all this stuff" here. What was he talking about? Was he pointing at something? Because we can't see him on camera and we don't know what the context of the conversation was. But we do know that Hoback says that he outsources, which you conveniently failed to mention.
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