When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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Boru13 said:
Strange this keeps being overlooked 🤔
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Blues said:
In the course of this thread, I have repeatedly asked for information upon which one might base a fair conclusion...as someone with no skin in the game and a desire to get to the truth.

The types of questions asked were what I might routinely ask during the course of an investigation in years past.

I have repeatedly received nuanced answers, hearsay offered as fact and evasive replies from the pro-Hoback faction...along with a steadfast refusal to consider anything counter to their entrenched position and foregone conclusions.

Additionally, I had the opportunity to hear from at least one or more vendors, and from Hoback himself in a video he had posted...in which he accepted (to some extent) his own guilt in the matter, while trying to lay much of it off on others...including his failure to deal with the matter in an honest and straightforward fashion.

While I cannot say that I am in possession of all the facts in this case, from what I have read and heard so far, the preponderance of the evidence puts the wrongdoing firmly in the lap of Mr. Hoback.

I'm not buying the conspiracy theory that suggests that the vendors all got together in a cabal to dupe their buyers, or like sheep copied each others ads, to describe his knives as "made in the USA".

These vendors sell a plethora of Chinese and off-shore built knives of varying quality, from low to high, and have never shied from labeling the country of origin, and have no problem selling them. It defies reason to believe that they would have made an exception in the case of Hoback's work and willfully gone ahead to misrepresent them...absent Hoback's having withheld pertinent information about the country of origin of various knives he had sent to them for sale to the public.

That's what I have gleaned from the totality of information presented in this thread.

I'm happy to be proven wrong. Proven...with facts. Not conjecture, hyperbole, innuendo nor hearsay offered as facts.

Some folks still care about the truth, regardless of the assertions of those who would paint them otherwise for not taking their side absent evidence to support their claims.

And that's all I got.
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One thing about the video for me is that we don’t have context of the background conversation.

The questioner could have been holding a USA made model when he asked “do you make these in the USA.” The reply was not “yes, we make all our knives in the USA.”
In my opinion as a random self thinking dude, I would think that this would not be accepted as evidence.

However, there is enough evidence elsewhere to make the Bladeshow video a moot point.
 
3D Anvil said:
I don't think, and never claimed that it's a conspiracy by the vendors. I just think that what mostly happened is what Hoback says happened. A big vendor posted that the COA is USA and some (not all) all of the other vendors went by that and listed their knives the same way. Not a conspiracy. Nothing intentionally deceptive. Just a comedy of errors, which Hoback failed to snuff.
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And that all those mean vendors just ignored all the Made in China stickers on the boxes of his knives that were Made in China.
 
3D Anvil said:
I don't think, and never claimed that it's a conspiracy by the vendors. I just think that what mostly happened is what Hoback says happened. A big vendor posted that the COA is USA and some (not all) all of the other vendors went by that and listed their knives the same way. Not a conspiracy. Nothing intentionally deceptive. Just a comedy of errors, which Hoback failed to snuff.
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Just an fyi.

COA is a certificate of authenticity.
COO is country of origin.

There is a difference.

Not being rude, just explaining so you can adjust your wording to fit your argument.
 
3D Anvil said:
I can hear the early part, too, but I don't know what the context was. The asks if you make "this stuff" or "all this stuff" here. What was he talking about? Was he pointing at something? Because we can't see him on camera and we don't know what the context of the conversation was. But we do know that Hoback says that he outsources, which you conveniently failed to mention.
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Uh, you messed up your quoting there. That was Insipid, not me.

Edit: removed profanity.
 
There is a good chance that this thread may also win “thread of the year” in 2023 at this going rate of 30+ pages per day. 🤣😂🤣😂
 
Insipid Moniker said:
See, that's the funny bit. They would have been labeled coming from the Chinese manufacturer in order to make it through customs. And yet they apparently weren't labeled that way when they arrived at dealers.
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I agree that they should have been labeled, but it's also possible that Customs dropped the ball if the bigger boxes the individual knives were packed in were labeled "Made in China." They may not have opened the boxes to check and see if each individual knife was labeled.
 
3D Anvil said:
I agree that they should have been labeled, but it's also possible that Customs dropped the ball if the bigger boxes the individual knives were packed in were labeled "Made in China." They may not have opened the boxes to check and see if each individual knife was labeled.
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And they weren't labeled on ANY of the shipments for ANY of the, what, eleven different models that were made in China?
 
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