When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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shinyedges said:
Facts? He JUST GOT THE KITAMURA. 3 months ago according to his now deleted video. That's the fact. So all these years with 1 tormach is 100% accurate.

Even with his new machine, it's impossible to make all the knives he has his name on. I highly doubt he makes a fraction of them. He outsources to other USA shops for his actual USA knives. Supposedly.
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Damn dude, why are you so defensive? I was trying to be nice correcting you. You are still wrong, no matter how many times you say it. Go back and look at his instagram, he posted pictures of that Kitamura years ago. I'm not saying any of this other crap he did was ok, in fact I'm not saying anything about anything, other than trying to correct you from looking foolish by saying the same wrong thing over and over again.

I'll drop it because I don't give a crap about it, but the truth is important. In fact isn't that what this whole thread has been about?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
See, that's the funny bit. They would have been labeled coming from the Chinese manufacturer in order to make it through customs. And yet they apparently weren't labeled that way when they arrived at dealers.
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There is an FTC exception that imported products do not need to be labeled if they will be significantly change in the USA.

IE: If importing steel that has been cut to basic shape, and then Hoback’s employee’s in the USA do the grinds, polish the blades, sharpen them and assemble, then I believe that it would become “Made in USA with foreign and domestic parts,” according to FTC.

There are quite a few interesting exceptions in the FTC. Thanks for the link. :)

For any of the fully made overseas, or mostly made overseas models, then they need a COO to import. This is my understanding.
 
3D Anvil said:
Don't know.
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But that's your theory. Not that Hoback deliberately decieved the dealers, but that the manufacturer in China failed to label the boxes on every shipment that came over, for every one of the eleven different models they were making, that customs dropped the ball each time for every shipment and that Mr. Hoback was either ignorant of the requirements or also failed to notice every single time the boxes came in without the proper labels and when he sent them off to the dealers and, as he himself admitted, noticed that they had the wrong COO up for his products just thought, "Oh well, that's weird," tried to make one phone call and then just stopped?

On the bright side, I have a new theory on why Mr. Hoback apparently hired blind people to put together the boxes for his knives.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
There is a good chance that this thread may also win “thread of the year” in 2023 at this going rate of 30+ pages per day. 🤣😂🤣😂
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Eh, I just see it as a microcosm of how society at large functions these days. We pick our hills, we draw our lines and, by the gods, we will not bend!

It’s this very reason why arguments these days are largely fruitless endeavors - there is no productive give and take anymore. The arrogance we tend to shroud our opinions in prevents us from recognizing the merits brought forth in another’s argument - supporting evidence be damned.
 
3D Anvil said:
It could be lying, or it could just be ignorance of the law, which is not a defense, but it's also not lying.
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You don't think the contracts he signed to ship from China to the US would've mentioned that? You don't think that the labeling on all the product he received from China would've clued him in?

I am not sure "he's not a liar, he's just really dumb" is a good defense.
 
The totality of all the individual evidence is glaringly obvious. 3D Anvil 3D Anvil discredits every single shred of actions and events. Refuses to looks at the totality of all these things combined and instead calls everything a coincidence, an accident, a mistake, blames the dealers and ignores Jake hobacks responsibility to conduct himself honestly.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
There is an FTC exception that imported products do not need to be labeled if they will be significantly change in the USA.

IE: If importing steel that has been cut to basic shape, and then Hoback’s employee’s in the USA do the grinds, polish the blades, sharpen them and assemble, then I believe that it would become “Made in USA with foreign and domestic parts,” according to FTC.

There are quite a few interesting exceptions in the FTC. Thanks for the link. :)

For any of the fully made overseas, or mostly made overseas models, then they need a COO to import. This is my understanding.
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Yup! And from the chart that Hoback posted and deleted it looks like around eleven different models were made entirely in China, which means they would need a Made in China label on either the knives or their packaging.
 
3D Anvil said:
Dude, you posted a video from Stassa who was filming a bit about the Sumo. In the background you can barely make out what sounds like Hoback talking to a guy. Did you mention the part a little ways on from the part you want to focus on, where he says that he shops out some of his work?
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I didn't post the video buddy, just commenting on it. I did hear that bit at the end of the answer. When the question is "do you make all this here," and give the answer he gave, he's clearly implying that the outsourced machining is domestic. To say otherwise, which you no doubt will, is disingenuous.

ETA I had not considered the possibility that the questioner may have been holding/pointing to/etc. a specific knife or grouping as pointed out a couple of times above. I assumed that it was a question regarding the whole table/lineup, but we don't know that, so I'll admit that could be the case and that would change the situation.
 
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zukgod said:
Damn dude, why are you so defensive? I was trying to be nice correcting you. You are still wrong, no matter how many times you say it. Go back and look at his instagram, he posted pictures of that Kitamura years ago. I'm not saying any of this other crap he did was ok, in fact I'm not saying anything about anything, other than trying to correct you from looking foolish by saying the same wrong thing over and over again.

I'll drop it because I don't give a crap about it, but the truth is important. In fact isn't that what this whole thread has been about?
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I repeated what Jake said out of his own mouth on his YouTube channel. Funny how every video within a year is now gone. Bye.
 
3D Anvil said:
I don't think, and never claimed that it's a conspiracy by the vendors. I just think that what mostly happened is what Hoback says happened. A big vendor posted that the COA is USA and some (not all) all of the other vendors went by that and listed their knives the same way. Not a conspiracy. Nothing intentionally deceptive. Just a comedy of errors, which Hoback failed to snuff.
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Sure. I hear you. It's completely reasonable to believe that in all the years he has been dealing with these numerous vendors that it never arose that a number of the knives purportedly derived from his shop were in fact being imported from China. Never. Once.

I mean, why would it even be germane to raise the issue at all? It's a mere detail. A trifling. (Certainly there would be no intention to deceive. And certainly no profit motive.)

Because no maker, company or business would ever approach a vendor and discuss a new line of high quality production or mid-tech knives produced off-shore which could be offered to the public at prices lower than custom, while still maintaining custom like quality. Nope, that would never happen.

So yeah. I'm convinced.

Congratulations.

(Yes, that's sarcasm...in case it wasn't clear.)
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Yup! And from the chart that Hoback posted and deleted it looks like around eleven different models were made entirely in China, which means they would need a Made in China label on either the knives or their packaging.
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100% in agreement. No further questions at this time. 🤣😂
 
Insipid Moniker said:
But that's your theory. Not that Hoback deliberately decieved the dealers, but that the manufacturer in China failed to label the boxes on every shipment that came over, for every one of the eleven different models they were making, that customs dropped the ball each time for every shipment and that Mr. Hoback was either ignorant of the requirements or also failed to notice every single time the boxes came in without the proper labels and when he sent them off to the dealers and, as he himself admitted, noticed that they had the wrong COO up for his products just thought, "Oh well, that's weird," tried to make one phone call and then just stopped?

On the bright side, I have a new theory on why Mr. Hoback apparently hired blind people to put together the boxes for his knives.
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Nope, it's not my theory. It's just one possible explanation, because unlike most of y'all, I'm not prepared to assume the absolute, most damning explanation for every possible unknown. Because I really have no idea how detailed Customs is in their inspections. I mean, if there's an industrial container full to the brim, how many of the individual boxes do they open to check if each box inside of the box is properly labeled with COO? If I had to guess, I would guess, "not many."
 
3D Anvil 3D Anvil so taking everything that's come to light into account, the video admitting he knew the knives were being sold as usa made and refused to come clean because of fear of blowback, the subsequent deletion of everything within a year, the negligence of being forthcoming with where his knives are made, all of that, isn't adding up to a liar?
 
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