When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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Well I think some dealers will still carry his knives and some won’t. In the end, it’s about the almighty dollar. Some distributors go hard on principles and some will just shrug their shoulders and change COO to ”China” and move on with life. If they don’t sell, they won’t buy more. The market will sort this out.
How about one of them American made Quartermasters still out there ?
 
As far as I can tell, the only reason we know anything about this is because he posted about it on public forums.
Ah! So that is a reason to proclaim this:

I just think that what mostly happened is what Hoback says happened.

Nope, Sorry. At this point he's a proven scummy sleazeball liar. The only reason he said anything was because it was coming out either way. He tried to spin it in his favor with indignance, blaming others , and more obfuscation. Huge fail on his part.

Don't bother responding to me with your legal semantic word games. I won't be playing as your intent in this thread is clear.
 
Ah! So that is a reason to proclaim this:



Nope, Sorry. At this point he's a proven scummy sleazeball liar. The only reason he said anything was because it was coming out either way. He tried to spin it in his favor with indignance, blaming others , and more obfuscation. Huge fail on his part.

Don't bother responding to me with your legal semantic word games. I won't be playing as your intent in this thread is clear.

He is not proven guilty legally yet, just in the court of public opinion. Just pointing that out. ;)
 
Someone sent me a link to this thread and after reading it all I decided to sign up to express how sad I am. My husband died about a year ago and left me an extensive knife collection. The one he always prized was his Kwaiback that he took everywhere. He was a veteran and a patriot and would be disgusted to know his knife was made by China and that Hoback would lie about it so. I don't think I'm going to come back to this forum, but I do hope some justice is done. Since Hoback loves his scripture so much, I'll leave this here.

Proverbs 12:22
"Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight."
 
Nope, Sorry. At this point he's a proven scummy sleazeball liar. The only reason he said anything was because it was coming out either way. He tried to spin it in his favor with indignance, blaming others , and more obfuscation. Huge fail on his part.
On what basis do you conclude that it was coming out anyway? This has been going on for years and it might have gone on indefinitely if he hadn't said something.

Farmer: I'm sorry I stole your pig.
Neighbor: Why should I believe you? You're an admitted pig thief!
Farmer: But you only know I'm a pig thief because I just told you I stole your pig....
Neighbor: Nope, that's not my pig -- you're lying.
Farmer: Oh fer fugs sake.

Circular logic is fun.
 
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Someone sent me a link to this thread and after reading it all I decided to sign up to express how sad I am. My husband died about a year ago and left me an extensive knife collection. The one he always prized was his Kwaiback that he took everywhere. He was a veteran and a patriot and would be disgusted to know his knife was made by China and that Hoback would lie about it so. I don't think I'm going to come back to this forum, but I do hope some justice is done. Since Hoback loves his scripture so much, I'll leave this here.

Proverbs 12:22
"Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight."
my condolences. sorry for your loss.....
 
Ah! So that is a reason to proclaim this:



Nope, Sorry. At this point he's a proven scummy sleazeball liar. The only reason he said anything was because it was coming out either way. He tried to spin it in his favor with indignance, blaming others , and more obfuscation. Huge fail on his part.

Don't bother responding to me with your legal semantic word games. I won't be playing as your intent in this thread is clear.
Hey now! He's planning to turn this life & business around next weekend.

Part 1; double the amount of bible verses used n all marketing. So you know for sure he's honest and sincere now.
Part2; cut ties with all prior dealers and customers and find some new ones.
 
Someone sent me a link to this thread and after reading it all I decided to sign up to express how sad I am. My husband died about a year ago and left me an extensive knife collection. The one he always prized was his Kwaiback that he took everywhere. He was a veteran and a patriot and would be disgusted to know his knife was made by China and that Hoback would lie about it so. I don't think I'm going to come back to this forum, but I do hope some justice is done. Since Hoback loves his scripture so much, I'll leave this here.

Proverbs 12:22
"Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight."

I’m very sorry for your loss. Now, according to Hoback’s newest information (and I doubt he’d lie twice about it), his Kwaiback folders were USA made. Not his fixed blades. Maybe this helps ...
 
83 pages...I've read them all. I blocked Paratrooper long ago. Haven't blocked 3D Anvil yet, but I will after I post this. My 2 cents, which doesn't matter in the long run but this is a public forum, is that Jake Hoback is one of those people I usually avoid in real life. IME, anyone who touts their devotion to a religion like he did is immediately suspect as being dishonest. You see it all the time. People who are usually the most vocal about a particular position, be it religion, sexuality, political, are the ones who are the furthest on the opposite end of the spectrum. Hoback, who even puts the verse on his knives, has been shown to be dishonest, greedy, and downright snippy when it comes to people criticizing "his" work. I was never interested in his knives. I thought they were too expensive for what they were. The bible verse put me off as well as him being so overtly Christian. I'm not against that, it's your right to be whatever you want to be, just as I am an atheist, but it was off putting because I knew he was probably hiding something. Never said anything because it didn't matter, others enjoyed his work and that was fine. Wasn't for me.

Seeing all this come to light, making knives in China and deceiving customers...what a douchebag. Suspicions confirmed. This is 100% on Hoback, he should have made sure his knives were represented correctly, not letting others claim one thing and making a huge profit on them. I'm no judge, jury, lawyer, and my word holds no weight, but IMO Jake Hoback is a liar, theif, and a conman. I'd like to acquire one of his knives, just to do what was done before (shoot it). I have plenty of M193, and I can use the target practice.
 
This. Plus, he doesn’t own a dog and has too many youtube videos. :)
I would be remiss in my role as Hoback guardian angel if I didn't point out that he has at least one shop dog, featured in one of his videos, which exist in just the right amount. 😇

You'd think he kicked a bunch of forum members' dogs from the responses here.
 
From what I can remember I believe the most likely course of events went something along the line of:
His first run of kwaiback were outsourced “made in USA”. Demand was there but he couldn’t source the knives to meet it so he gets a Chinese oem. These new Chinese knives are on par with, maybe arguably better than, the original run which leads him to pull some creative marketing ploy naming them uhep and compares them to cfk “midtech”; pricing them slightly cheaper but almost as much as his “custom” US made ones. He was open about these specific uhep knives being foreign, the hype/demand continued growing; after all who wouldn’t pay less for a production that was better than the “custom”? These uhep knives, imo, probably led to the beginning of the coo obfuscation. The first dealer/s probably listed them as made in the USA as an oversight, whom I believe to be knifecenter if memory serves me correctly. Hoback may or may not have tried to correct it or justified the fact he was fairly transparent about the uhep kwaibacks origins back then and rationalized himself absolved of any responsibility for correcting this trivial typo. And thus the snowball of greed and deceptions started.
 
On what basis do you conclude that it was coming out anyway? This has been going on for years and it might have gone on indefinitely if he hadn't said something.

Farmer: I'm sorry I stole your pig.
Neighbor: Why should I believe you? You're an admitted pig thief!
Farmer: But you only know I'm a pig thief because I just told you I stole your pig....
Neighbor: Nope, that's not my pig -- you're lying.
Farmer: Oh fer fugs sake.

Circular logic is fun.
LOLWTF?
 
Fact - The import laws require a clear COO on the product.
Fact - Hoback knives are not marked.
Logical inference - They come in marked and are deliberately UNmarked.
BONUS FACT - A few years ago, as a no name faceless customer and NOT a maker, I saw an improper steel type listed on a Schrade knife costing only $14 at BladeHQ, SMKW, and KnifeCenter. I used E-mail and DM on social media to alert all 3 that shared the wrong info. SMKW and KnifeCenter responded with a generic thanks and updated within a day. BladeHQ came back with a few questions but by the next day it was corrected. Hoback would have had a much easier time getting a listing corrected and little old me spent maybe 40 minutes for 3 major vendors.
Logical inference - This additional step does not increase profits nor does it help the production speed.
Logical inference - Considering the above, it can't be anything but intentional deception.

Based on my own experience, I doubt he ever even tried to correct those listings. It also doesn't make sense that the vendors got their info from "YouTube videos and podcasts" when they would have just asked Hoback for the info directly or taken it from his own website. What major retailer says I wanna sell your goods, but I wanna watch internet videos for hours to get some details for the listing? It just doesn't make sense.

Buying his line of crap requires some major mental gymnastics.
 
Many people I’m this country are religious and express their enthusiasm for their religion. While this may annoy some, there is no correlation between dishonesty and expressing religious beliefs.
Exactly. Quite frankly it keeps rearing it’s ugly head here once in a while by people that can’t take the hint this isn’t a religious discussion. If people want to vent about how they feel about religious people, there are other places for it.
 
It also doesn't make sense that the vendors got their info from "YouTube videos and podcasts" when they would have just asked Hoback for the info directly or taken it from his own website.
Yeah, I agree, but that is exactly what one vendor said in this very thread. Hence my point, re: the vendors aren't totally blameless.

Here's the exact quote from USA Made Blades:

"Jake's statement says "Jake Hoback Knives has never claimed 100% made in the USA". Well they also never said they weren't. All but one of their dealers, that we could find, have them listed as made in the USA. Youtube reviewers stated they are made in the USA, blogs stated it, podcast stated it, Instagram post stated it, facebook stated it, and every where else you look stated it. Are you going to tell me that they have never looked at any of this over the past 5-10 years? Are you telling me they never checked up on their dealer listings in the past 5 plus years?"

So, yeah, Hoback should have been forthcoming, but this dealer was relying on what other people were saying and apparently never thought to ASK Hoback himself, and didn't see any problem with the fact that Hoback himself made no claims as to COO on his own website or in his product descriptions.
 
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Exactly. Quite frankly it keeps rearing it’s ugly head here once in a while by people that can’t take the hint this isn’t a religious discussion. If people want to vent about how they feel about religious people, there are other places for it.
Nobody made any anti-religious remarks, they'd have been removed. The comments discussed certain individuals who try to promote their wares by appealing to folks with certain religious, patriotic or idealistic principles to cloak their less than upfront business practices. We've all seen it before if we've ever plugged in a television.

This has not been, and will not become a discussion of religion per se. Though hucksters that try to hide behind such to deceive honest folks are fair game if it relates to the matter under discussion.

Let's move on.
 
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