When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

[Chris_Texas]

Unless someone can show actual evidence that he deliberately misrepresented his knives, such as ad copy or product info submitted to dealers, signs at trade shows, or an archived version of his website (check the way back machine perhaps), it will be really tough to get justice through the courts or legal system. Liars lie, that's what they do. Unless it's Scoopby Doo, conmen and sociopaths don't confess when caught, they just lie more.

As we see here. Thus, if there is ever going to be any justice it has to come from within the knife community. Casual knife buyers are NOT his market group, it's serious collectors. Let them know what a scumbag this guy is and he is finished.

edit to correct a misstatement

 

[EngrSorenson]

I do feel like there’s a tier of knife prices where every detail matters and he’s well into that range for me. Where the darn thing comes from is the least he could say.

At those prices, I’d want to know the color of the elf’s hat who quenched the blade in fairy farts.

 

[knerd]

It appears he's already in clean up mode. Removing posts, videos, and photos that could incriminate him.

Whereas the horrible knife dealers (the ones in on it the whole time) are making it right by the customers and trying to rectify the problem even if it financially harms them in the process.


If that doesn't show true character IDK what does.

 

[King of the Cheese]

Also, 3D Anvil and King of the Cheese have made the cut. Welcome to the ignore list.

Many have made the proclamation.. few have followed through. But thanks for the heads up?

 

[King of the Cheese]

At those prices, I’d want to know the color of the elf’s hat who quenched the blade in fairy farts.

Lol not going to lie, that’s a good quote there. Signature worthy for sure

 

[Quiet]

I understand that you are not defending him, but offering his justification. None the less....

People's expectations and biases might not always be rational, but they form the foundation of every purchase decision. With cars, for example, most people today understand that a typical car might well be made anywhere, and even if assembled in America it is tens of thousands of bits individually crafted across the globe, then shipped to America and pieced together. But that's only your typical car. Does that expectation and indifference extend to every vehicle?

Would the purchaser of a Ferrari accept the "location doesn't matter" excuse if he learned his supercar was assembled in Vietnam or perhaps India rather than a Ferrari plant in Italy? I suspect it might matter very much, just as it does here.

Going deeper, we cannot ignore the reasons WHY so many people will not deliberately do business with China, or purchase their products. Many people have strong moral convictions about this. And even if we ignore slavery and ra.pant human rights violations, we still have significant issues with quality. The people who contract bridges and skyscrapers out of pop metal and bubble wrap, who put melamine in baby formula to make it extra white, who ship toxic everything from dry wall to dog food, damn sure cant be trusted to care what steel goes into an pocket knife or how that steel is heat treated. Can China make good stuff? Perhaps. But they don't seem too concerned about it most of the time.

Anyway, I have rambled far enough, and everyone here already knows all this. And so does this Hoback guy. What he did to his customers is a disgrace.

This is the pertinent part of the matter. I expect few people would really care where their Chevy Aveo was made, much in the same way that people who buy gas station counter knives probably do not care where they were made. But something like a Ferrari, or a very high end knife? Yes, those things unequivocally matter to buyers at the higher end of the spectrum.

Agreed all around.

 

[Blues]

Apparently Hoback wasn't satisfied with simply being at the helm of a dumpster fire of a business running downhill in a raging flood...

...If only he had put the same level of effort into doing the right thing...by actually atoning for his wrongdoing and trying to rebuild his name honestly, and with integrity.

I guess that ship has sailed sunk.

 

[Quiet]

Apparently Hoback wasn't satisfied with simply being at the helm of a dumpster fire of a business running downhill in a raging flood...

https://c.tenor.com/XqyVyPzxM9gAAAAC/yamato-sinking-ship.gif

If only he had put the same level of effort into doing the right thing...by actually atoning for his wrongdoing and trying to rebuild his name honestly, and with integrity.

I guess that ship has sailed sunk.

A somewhat interesting note. As of this morning, he hasn't updated his site, still showing USAMadeBlade as a dealer.

 

[3D Anvil]

Unless someone can show actual evidence that he deliberately misrepresented his knives, such as ad copy or product info submitted to dealers, signs at trade shows, or an archived version of his website (check the way back machine perhaps), it will be really tough to get justice through the courts or legal system.

You're assuming that he did deliberately misrepresent his knives, which is not the case.

 

[benchwarmer380]

You're assuming that he did deliberately misrepresent his knives, which is not the case.

And you are assuming that it is not the case.


Edited to add: Whether it was intentional or not at the start, once it came to his attention and he didn't rectify the situation, he became complicit.

Once that occured, it became deliberate as he could have very easily rectified it but chose not to.

 

[3D Anvil]

And you are assuming that it is not the case.

All evidence is that it's not. He never claimed his knives were USA made on his website or in his many videos, and AFAIK no one is accusing him of explicit misrepresentation. Which doesn't excuse him from letting the errors persist, of course.

 

[benchwarmer380]

All evidence is that it's not. He never claimed his knives were USA made on his website or in his many videos, and AFAIK no one is accusing him of explicit misrepresentation. Which doesn't excuse him from letting the errors persist, of course.

Letting those errors persist was a deliberate act.

 

[3D Anvil]

Letting those errors persist was a deliberate act.

Right, a deliberate nonaction.

 

[Quiet]

You're assuming that he did deliberately misrepresent his knives, which is not the case.

This is false, because overwhelming proof (his own admission) shows that he did.

 

[3D Anvil]

This is false, because overwhelming proof (his own admission) shows that he did.

What proof?

 

[Quiet]

All evidence is that it's not. He never claimed his knives were USA made on his website or in his many videos, and AFAIK no one is accusing him of explicit misrepresentation. Which doesn't excuse him from letting the errors persist, of course.

Except he did, on video. For someone who claimed to be a former lawyer, it's interesting to me that you keep disregarding and dismissing actual evidence, because it absolutely destroys your position.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Lawyers being truthful or honest? LOL We all know better.

 

[Quiet]

What proof?

I'm not going to lay it all out for you again, just so you can dismiss all of those things as someone else's fault.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Right, a deliberate nonaction.

Right, which he knew would benefit him monetarily.

 

[Quiet]

Right, which he knew would benefit him monetarily.

No, no, it was all the mean ole dealers' fault for "misrepresenting" his knives, and sending him big checks from those sales. Definitely not any wrongdoing on his part.

 

[3D Anvil]

I'm not going to lay it all out for you again, just so you can dismiss all of those things as someone else's fault.

Thanks for not bringing up that devastating, partial conversation with someone who wasn't a knife dealer at a blade show where we can't really tell what they're talking about again.