When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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Paratrooper06 said:
Because Hoback started out making knives in the US.. switched some products to COO China, and didn‘t tell anyone. “Phone calls” to dealers isn’t good enough. Should’ve had documentation to that effect included with sales order when shipped to dealers.
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Nope, not good enough. If you're making representations to your customers you don't *assume* information that isn't provided by the manufacturer. You either leave that detail out or check with the manufacturer before posting it. Again, this is THEY'RE claim -- not Hobacks. And of course Hoback should have straightened them out yada yada....
 
3D Anvil said:
Nope, not good enough. If you're making representations to your customers you don't *assume* information that isn't provided by the manufacturer. You either leave that detail out or check with the manufacturer before posting it. Again, this is THEY'RE claim -- not Hobacks. And of course Hoback should have straightened them out yada yada....
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BladeHQ as an example currently has 39,597 knives listed on its website. 81 are Hoback.

So you’re telling me.. with a straight face… that a handful of guys at BladeHQ have the responsibility for coordinating with Hoback to list an updated COO… given ALL the knives they manage..one with which they weren’t provided any documentation?

No. Hoback should’ve provided DOCUMENTATION. Phone calls aren’t good enough and the documentation should’ve been provided up front in a sales order. You’re bending over backwards to give Hoback every benefit of the doubt you can possibly muster.. and it’s unwarranted. He has failed. The market will dictate his future. I’m beginning to suspect you’ve taken it as a challenge to defend the indefensible just to see if you can. I’ll leave you with this: A war of attrition through annoyance isn’t in any way validation for your argument.
 
Dimashkieh said:
I see your point, but the car analogy is not valid. Cars are defacto assembled at a location from parts definitely made in several countries. Also, if a dealership/manufacturer in a certain country is selling the exact same model/year/options of a car assembles in two or several different countries, the pricing would have been averaged depending on the cost and percentage of products made in said countries. I doubt our Dishonest Jake here did any price averaging.
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Exactly plus there is no community of people who are trying to purchase only u.s. made cars and are willing to pay more for them.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
BladeHQ as an example currently has 39,597 knives listed on its website. 81 are Hoback.

So you’re telling me.. with a straight face… that a handful of guys at BladeHQ have the responsibility for coordinating with Hoback to list an updated COO… given ALL the knives they manage..one with which they weren’t provided any documentation?
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What I'm saying is that, since neither the knives, their documentation, nor Hoback's website listed a COO, they should have either not listed a COO or else checked with Hoback. It's not difficult. Several authorized dealers that I checked didn't list a COO. They just provided the information they got from Hoback. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Quiet said:
Candidly speaking, I'm starting to wonder if we aren't speaking to Jake's legal advisor directly in this thread. All of the posts are starting to seem an awful lot like they're meant to be misdirection of attention away from Jake's obvious bad acting in this situation, foisting responsibility off on the dealers.

At the end of the day, one fact that looks pretty clear is: dealers weren't removing the legally required "Made in China" stickers from Jake's products made in China. That tells me that Jake was acting in his best interests when he or his employees were doing that before sending those products to his dealer network.
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It's an interesting thought but any actual lawyer involved with any sense whatsoever would stay well clear of any online debate.
 
3D Anvil said:
What I'm saying is that, since neither the knives, their documentation, nor Hoback's website listed a COO, they should have either not listed a COO or else checked with Hoback. It's not difficult. Several authorized dealers that I checked didn't list a COO. They just provided the information they got from Hoback. Nothing more and nothing less.
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A separate issue from the fault that is Hoback’s. It is a bigger issue that he outsourced production to China and didn’t tell anyone, not that a dealer or two made an assumption about the COO of Hoback knives. But go ahead and blame the dealers. Let’s see how Hoback does when he takes on his own distribution. I predict a great many open orders being cancelled right about now.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
A separate issue from the fault that is Hoback’s. It is a bigger issue that he outsourced production to China and didn’t tell anyone, not that a dealer or two made an assumption about the COO of Hoback knives. But go ahead and blame the dealers. Let’s see how Hoback does when he takes on his own distribution. I predict a great many open orders being cancelled right about now.
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Yep, Hoback is more at fault. Could be in some real legal jeopardy with the Feds.
 
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Paratrooper06 said:
BladeHQ as an example currently has 39,597 knives listed on its website. 81 are Hoback.

So you’re telling me.. with a straight face… that a handful of guys at BladeHQ have the responsibility for coordinating with Hoback to list an updated COO… given ALL the knives they manage..one with which they weren’t provided any documentation?

No. Hoback should’ve provided DOCUMENTATION. Phone calls aren’t good enough and the documentation should’ve been provided up front in a sales order. You’re bending over backwards to give Hoback every benefit of the doubt you can possibly muster.. and it’s unwarranted. He has failed. The market will dictate his future. I’m beginning to suspect you’ve taken it as a challenge to defend the indefensible just to see if you can. I’ll leave you with this: A war of attrition through annoyance isn’t in any way validation for your argument.
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Gulp....

On this we actually agree and it's a point I made earlier but the defense conveniently ignored. Too many products to monitor every detail constantly. If manufacturers want to have their items represented accurately, they need to send along the right information.

Should dealers bear some responsibility to list accurate information? Sure, to a point. Hoback wove a web of deceit to give him plausible deniability for the exact reason we are seeing here in people holding on to a single point and defending the guy page after page after page.


3D Anvil said:
Nope, not good enough. If you're making representations to your customers you don't *assume* information that isn't provided by the manufacturer. You either leave that detail out or check with the manufacturer before posting it. Again, this is THEY'RE claim -- not Hobacks. And of course Hoback should have straightened them out yada yada....
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Hoback is clearly being deceptive on purpose to take advantage of patriotic sentiments and supposed USA quality in order to profit. He's a sleazy slime ball of a human. He engaged in the deception without actually saying the words so he could deny it later. That line of thinking is getting at least one individual to defend him, the rest of us call bullshit.

USA Made Blade is the nail in the coffin. Can't deny knowingly sending your Chinese knives to that dealer under false pretenses.

Counselor, if you keep arguing a point the jury doesn't see your way, how do you expect them to believe anything you say? You want to play pretend court room? Think on that. Doesn't matter if the rest of what you say is valid (it isn't). If you hammer on a disagreeable point, you lose credibility. Unfortunately for you, this isn't court and your credibility here is your reputation in this community. Look at where all your posts are and what they are about. You may not care but this community does and we don't forget.
 
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Paratrooper06 said:
BladeHQ as an example currently has 39,597 knives listed on its website. 81 are Hoback.

So you’re telling me.. with a straight face… that a handful of guys at BladeHQ have the responsibility for coordinating with Hoback to list an updated COO… given ALL the knives they manage..one with which they weren’t provided any documentation?

No. Hoback should’ve provided DOCUMENTATION. Phone calls aren’t good enough and the documentation should’ve been provided up front in a sales order. You’re bending over backwards to give Hoback every benefit of the doubt you can possibly muster.. and it’s unwarranted. He has failed. The market will dictate his future. I’m beginning to suspect you’ve taken it as a challenge to defend the indefensible just to see if you can. I’ll leave you with this: A war of attrition through annoyance isn’t in any way validation for your argument.
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Sorta funny they're still selling Quartermaster as made in USA. Looks like they're stuck with a bunch of them.:eek:
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Quartermaster-14-Murtaugh-Karambit--74408
 
AKnife said:
For those interested. Starts ~28:30. Some insight from 1 (ONE) of the dealers. *WARNING* Big boy words are used.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaqvHiyvp-s/?utm_medium=share_sheet
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I watched from 28:30 to the end. Scott is a real one. Jake is a lying, manipulative, piece of trash. Just wow. Like Scott said, if it's not about the money, take the knives back. Ooof. No way he shows his face at blades how.

There is gonna be legal fallout on this. That's why jake is deleting everything.
 
Hoback should’ve been on bended knee days ago begging for dealer forgiveness. If he’s doubling down, he must be thinking he’s ready to walk away from the business. Hopefully the dealers turn the screws on him by refusing to sell his stuff or refusing to place more sales orders.

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Paratrooper06 said:
Hoback should’ve been on bender knee days ago begging for dealer forgiveness. If he’s doubling down, he must be thinking he’s ready to walk away from the business. Hopefully the dealers turn the screws on him by refusing to sell his stuff or refusing to place more sales orders.
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Some dealers will just go with it and others will be straight up. We saw this with Quartermaster.
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