When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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It seems that this thread has actually done some good:

The website now says where his knives are made...

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That being said: 1. BF has a voice and is heard! 2. Morals and religion are powerful tools of deception. 3. I never had a knife from Hoback and did not plan to - they don't tickle my fancy...
 
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Wasty said:
It seems that this thread has actually done some good:

The website now says where his knives are made...

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That being said: 1. BF has a voice and is heard! 2. Morals and religion are powerful tools of deception. 3. I never had a knife from Hoback and did not plan to - they don't tickle my fancy...
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You're late to the party pal 😁

The big problem with that list is that no one knows what version of the knives they have, so they might as well all be made in China. Essentially, he duped people into paying made in USA prices for made in China product, the whole time, unless he chooses to detail what was sold when. And would anyone believe him anyway?
 
3D Anvil said:
What I'm saying is that, since neither the knives, their documentation, nor Hoback's website listed a COO, they should have either not listed a COO or else checked with Hoback. It's not difficult. Several authorized dealers that I checked didn't list a COO. They just provided the information they got from Hoback. Nothing more and nothing less.
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I do agree with this assertion, if the underlying assumption is correct. You attack everyone else's arguments for assuming Hoback lied about the origin. Then in the next breath you assume the dealers all just made it up. They may have, I think one said as much way back in the beginning of this thread somewhere, but it's still an assumption as to the rest of them. You could at least be consistent with regard to whether assumptions are acceptable or not. You don't get to discount someone else's position because it's based on an assumption, then argue that your own position is correct when it's also based on an (opposite) assumption.
 
r8shell said:
I wonder if many dealers' policy is to post exactly what the knife companies submit for the specs, whether they believe it to be true or not. 🤔
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that's an excellent question- I would guess that the safe way to do things would be to post the information your provided by the manufacturer- it's not really the responsibility of the dealer to track down that information, and if they post something and it turns out to be false, the manufacturer might have a case against them.
This is a weird one because the manufacture doesn't explicitly provide the COO information, except that some (a fraction) of knives are known to be purely made in the USA.

In the absence of explicit information, I could understand how someone making the item data sheet for a dealer could say "yeah, it's Jake Hoback- he makes his knives in the USA, except for some odd ball cases that I've never personally seen.".
... except they would have seen them and not been aware. They've seen a lot of them.
 
It's a hot potato anyway you cut it. Customers thinking they bought a USA made knife and dealers that bought inventory touted as USA.
 
Wasty said:
It seems that this thread has actually done some good:

The website now says where his knives are made...

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That being said: 1. BF has a voice and is heard! 2. Morals and religion are powerful tools of deception. 3. I never had a knife from Hoback and did not plan to - they don't tickle my fancy...
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Yea he put that on his website a few days ago, but I'm not stuck with a $600 knife that just pisses me off looking at cause I've been lied to
 
FrankieJ*DWM_EDC said:
Yea he put that on his website a few days ago, but I'm not stuck with a $600 knife that just pisses me off looking at cause I've been lied to
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When I've owned knives from folks that proved to be less than honorable for one reason or another, I've sold or given away the knives...accepting the loss.

I'm not saying that this is the route you should take, but it worked for me to put them in my rear view mirror.

It didn't matter if the "wrong" was directed at me or others, the fact that it offended me was sufficient.
 
craytab said:
You're late to the party pal 😁

The big problem with that list is that no one knows what version of the knives they have, so they might as well all be made in China. Essentially, he duped people into paying made in USA prices for made in China product, the whole time, unless he chooses to detail what was sold when. And would anyone believe him anyway?
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Well, we're nearing 100 pages in this thread... Sorry bout that... :eek:

However, I am fully with you. I hope that Jake Hoback will be held accountable for his lies and his hypocrisy. If this costs him his business (and I strongly hope that), that's entirely on himself.

I bet he's furious that someone called out his bull, not an ounce of shame, especially with the religious twist.
 
r8shell said:
I wonder if many dealers' policy is to post exactly what the knife companies submit for the specs, whether they believe it to be true or not. 🤔
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I assume so. The larger dealers have thousands of SKUs, and it seems like most knife companies are good actors on this front. For every Hoback, QTRMSTR, or other bad actor, there are dozens and dozens of companies doing the right thing when it comes to COO.

Once the Hoback dust settles, and especially if it involves dealers returning, or trying to return, thousands of dollars of product to Hoback, it wouldn't surprise me if their "intake" processes for a new knife company change a bit (perhaps by requiring COO disclosure in writing from companies trying to sell knives at eye-watering prices).
 
Blues said:
When I've owned knives from folks that proved to be less than honorable for one reason or another, I've sold or given away the knives...accepting the loss.

I'm not saying that this is the route you should take, but it worked for me to put them in my rear view mirror.

It didn't matter if the "wrong" was directed at me or others, the fact that it offended me was sufficient.
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I did the exact opposite. I still have two knives from a less than honorable individual. No reason for two people to be embarrassed if I can help it.
 
Rupestris said:
I did the exact opposite. I still have two knives from a less than honorable individual. No reason for two people to be embarrassed if I can help it.
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That's as good a solution as mine.

In my case, the individuals who received the knives either didn't care about who the maker was or didn't care about the issue.,.or were actively seeking knives from said individual(s).

In any case, I was happy to see the back of 'em. Whatever works.
 
onionfan said:
I'd have to do a search, but I swear there was a thread a few years ago about someone that wanted a Hoback knife, but didn't want Psalm 23 on it. The person said they contacted him and he said no, that every knife he made would have that on it. At the time I thought he was just sticking to his principles, but now it looks like all the handles may have already had it machined in them when they came in on the slow boat from China...
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Psalm 23, brought to you in exquisite Engrish.
 
Blues said:
Now you tell me. You might've told me that back in 1970 when I had my left index fingertip repaired with a graft after dealing with a miscreant with a knife. Live and learn.
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My good friend was once accused of having rapier-like wit. Cut you to the bone.
 
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