Who keeps a 'hawk by their beds. Anyone?

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If you're in Canada or other heathen lands where it's hard to get a gun, by all means use an axe.

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Heathen, ya probably.:D I sure hope that big brother doesnt yank your firearms freedom away also. We can still buy, use guns but its $$ and paperwork which has to be renewed every few years into purpetuity, not just a one shot deal, which is what pi..es a lot of us off. I dont want to go there though because as a fisherman and hunter it turns my stomache. I suppose I would feel just as secure with a baseball bat beside me, as a hawk. I reread my home invasion post and it sounded a little melodramatic and Rambo-ish to swat someone with a hawk. It is good to be reminded about common sense, reason and law with these types of subjects. Of course this all depends on were you are currently living also. I wish the guys over there in the sand, good luck and a safe homecoming. If I was in their shoes Id have every damn weapon that I could get my hands on beside me at night.
 
Buddiiee said:
3 shepherds? well there ya go. lol. hell, i wouldnt even get outta bed lol. honestly, i dont even think the dogs would even get a nip in. once you stuck you head in the door and seen three of them barking loudly, youd be gone.

yea, i mean, id like a gun to use but, i dont know. if i pull a gun, someones going to die. and quick too. i dont want that. you know todays world. even if the intruder had an AK47, and shot at me, and missed, and i returned fire to stop him, his family is STILL goin to sue me for wrongful death,... if i even get out of jail... i admit, that the governments rules have wore me down. i dont want any part of it.... im thru. ill just use something else, and hope they take mercy on me lol. hopefully, my dogs will scare em away before something else happens.
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You're saying you wouldn't pull a gun even if you were being shot at, just because you don't want to get sued? I think there's more bigger things in life than just getting sent to prison, like YOUR LIFE for one thing.
 
I know here in Ohio you must be trapped with no means of escape and fearing for your life to use lethal force justifiably(at least the way I understand it,may not be the case)But with the meth labs scattered around our area and being "in the stick",someone bust in my door at night I am opening up on them if I can.Survival and protection of the family comes first...Mike
 
Just thought I would share this, I keep a hawk by the bed but not just for self defense. My wife and son know about the hawk and where to find it. We believe if there is ever a fire in the house and a window or door needs to be smashed to escape the fire, the hawk is the perfect tool.
 
captain,

from post 36:
"If i can identify early on, that the threat level, or enemy situation is very dangerous, then sure ill grab a firearm. but until i do, i prefer non projectile throwing weapons if i can. its just me."

from post 14:
"My hawk is always the main weapon for me. If I hear the typical bump in the nite, fine, but if i hear something, that sounds like an entry team smashing thru the door, or 3 or more thugs gettin crazy, then its pistol time lol. "

I have many firearms. From plinker pistols, allll the way up to full caliber issue service rifles and sniper rifles. And theyre all right by my bed too. Trust me, if somethin goes down, I will not hesitate. But I think what it is, is, that I take a little longer (if i can) to assess a situation for the adjustment of lethality levels, a little more than the next person does. It was totally beat into me in the army. I would LOVE to just up and smoke someone with my .45 automatic with a body armor drill (two in the chest, one in the head) or just one in the face... but i know its not prudent. and most of the time wrong too. This very very liberal country is making things that should be relatively simple, exceedingly hard on everyone. its a dam shame too...
 
CaptainFalcon said:
You're saying you wouldn't pull a gun even if you were being shot at, just because you don't want to get sued? I think there's more bigger things in life than just getting sent to prison, like YOUR LIFE for one thing.
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Uh, yea, ya think..... :jerkit: Some people amaze me... If someone is trying to kill you or your family, a legal action should be THE LAST thing on your mind! :grumpy:
 
Yea. im not THAT stupid guys lol. I know what im doing trust me. Im just real cautious thats all. If i need a gun, i have one thats already loaded in the nightstand.
 
Yup. I keep a hawk by my bed. Not necessarily for purposes of deanimation though...

About half the problems encountered around my house in the wee hours have been non- threatening problems best rectified with a hawk or khuk rather than a firearm. a limb setting off the motion sensor lights out in the yard, securing a garage or shed door getting slammed around and damaged in the wind, etc. I did keep my dog from hanging himself with a Becker #5 once, by cutting a 1/4" cable with one strike.

(I heard commotion in the backyard and thought the dog had gotten into it with a moose, and yes, I was going after said "moose" with a knife while my wife retrieved my shotgun) Had I been able to get my hands on the shotgun first and the knife later things may not have turned out as well.

Between living with high winds, earthquakes, and the other enviromental quirks of Alaska a decent hawk by the bed just seems sensible.

For the removal of unwanted bipeds I have a 1911 to go check on our son, or an unusual situation and my 870 is on my wifes side of the bed so she can barricade herself in her room and call 911 if necessary.
 
911 calls in AK can take a while for response cant they? If you are outside of large cities????
 
Different settings, different perspectives. I am no longer on a northern Indian reserve. The odds of a violent break in at my new location are infinitley lower. I would prefer to swing a bat downstairs than a hawk. Even if I was lucky enough not to get a man slaughter charge Id find it awfully difficult to live with the fact that I killed a 12 yr old kid, that broke into my basement to find something to sell for a bag of weed. Up in the remote northern bush Id keep a bedside hawk. Down south in a city, no, Ill keep a bat. Location and the appropriate use of force is the determining factor for me in these decisions.
 
reconseed said:
911 calls in AK can take a while for response cant they? If you are outside of large cities????
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oh heck yeah, it can take a long time. But...the wife or family is still barricaded with a shotgun and we're getting the incident reported. Looks better that way if you wind up with a burglar layin' on the floor with umpteen hundred puncture wounds and broken bones from the family dog and a couple ounces of lead or a tomahawk sticking out his skull from myself.

Given my druthers I'd just drop the body of a home intruder in the nearest inlet, but lawyers and liability being what they are these days....;)
 
Runs With Scissors said:
oh heck yeah, it can take a long time. But...the wife or family is still barricaded with a shotgun and we're getting the incident reported. Looks better that way if you wind up with a burglar layin' on the floor with umpteen hundred puncture wounds and broken bones from the family dog and a couple ounces of lead or a tomahawk sticking out his skull from myself.

Given my druthers I'd just drop the body of a home intruder in the nearest inlet, but lawyers and liability being what they are these days....;)
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True. I was thinking about this last night as I was laying in bed... How come when an innocent person gets their house broke into by a thug or intruder (criminal) i become the defendant in a court of law for protecting my family? shouldt the dead guy who broke into my house be the one having to be defending rather than me who was minding my own in MY own home, until some thug decided to terrorize me and my family??? I just think its maddening.:grumpy:
 
shouldt the dead guy who broke into my house be the one having to be defending rather than me who was minding my own in MY own home, until some thug decided to terrorize me and my family??? I just think its maddening.
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If you look at the news reports for self-defense incidents, the majority of the time the homeowner has little to no trouble with criminal prosecution, provided that he behaved properly.

In all except your most lunatic cities/counties, people don't get hauled in if it's clear that they behaved in an appropriate fashion. A lot of articles end with "Police Chief ******* stated that no charges would be filed against the homeowner, as he acted in self-defense".

However, there are always ya-hoos who do dumb and illegal things: run outside with a shotgun and fire rounds at the guy driving off with their car. That puts you up for all kinds of crimes, since you obviously weren't in immediate peril of your life if the guy's halfway down the block with your Toyota.

Then of course, there's civil suits. In America anybody can sue anybody for anything, but that's a whole different ball of wax. Probably some tort reform needed there.

-MV
 
Anyone who thinks that a tomahawk is the best bump-in-the-night weapon knows little about hawks and nothing about close-quarters combat. Ask yourself, if someone is breaking into your house, and you have a choice, which are you going to grab: a tomahawk or a 9mm? If you're honest (or if you have one brain in your whole head), it ain't going to be the hawk. I'm not knocking hawks, just trying to get real.

I'm a decorated, combat Vietnam vet. Proud as hell. And I'm getting kind of old, which makes the 9mm even more attractive. Break into my home, and you are not going to get chopped. You're going to get shot. Hard.

Josey
 
And I thank you for your service. Welcome home.
But everyones tactical situation is different. Youre right, a pistol does have its merits. but for my situation, theres a HUGE window in the vicinity, of where i would have to take my shot. if i miss, its all over. that bullets goin straight out, and right directly into my neighbors house. and 9mm's have a decent reputation for penetration too. especially the ball ammo you as a homeowner are forced to load, because hollow points are too often proved to be 'intentional man killers' instead of self defense rounds. take a ccw class. youll see what im talking about.
so for my situation specifically, its non projectile throwing weapons for me. :(

But your last line... "youre not going to get chopped, youre going to get shot" makes it sound like, getting whacked with a razor sharp tomahawk isnt as bad. lol. Tell that to the MANY MANY europeans that faced this weapon a few hundred years ago. Its pretty effective lol. I play a lot of baseball. I know how to swing things pretty good. if i lodge this hawk in your face, its game over buddy. in fact, i think id prefer to be shot by a 9mm, than gettin this terrible weapon stuck in my face.
 
I tend to agree with twindog. If you're close enough to use a hawk or blade, you're already in a very bad situation, especially since you don't know the physical/mental condition of the intruder. And if you're thinking of throwing that blade or axe, what happens when you miss or fail to hit properly? You've just lost your best defence. Proper throwing takes practice and concentration. I don't know about you boys, but I ain't exactly the most mentally acute when I'm woken up at 2am. I keep an 870 beside the closet at night (stored legally, in accordance with socialist Canadian law) but I also keep a couple fixed blades beside the bed and around the house in case I don't have time to unlock my firearm, unlock my ammo (which must legally be stored in a separate, secure container), load, identify my intent, and give the intruder the chance to shoot first (welcome to Canada). Come to think of it, maybe I should make myself a decent hawk.
 
Twindog said:
Anyone who thinks that a tomahawk is the best bump-in-the-night weapon knows little about hawks and nothing about close-quarters combat. Ask yourself, if someone is breaking into your house, and you have a choice, which are you going to grab: a tomahawk or a 9mm? If you're honest (or if you have one brain in your whole head), it ain't going to be the hawk. I'm not knocking hawks, just trying to get real.

I'm a decorated, combat Vietnam vet. Proud as hell. And I'm getting kind of old, which makes the 9mm even more attractive. Break into my home, and you are not going to get chopped. You're going to get shot. Hard.

Josey
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I gotta disagree with your opening statement to some degree. Different people are going to have different needs. Not everybody has a handgun, shotgun, or other ideal weapon, nor are they necessarily comfortable using them. There's lots of different people out there with lots of different abilities. Hell, I know alot of framers that I'd rather they were armed with a gun than a hawk if I were locked in a small closet with 'em. I've known a few martial artists that could cut a guy ten ways to Sunday with a butter knife, and then promptly meditate on said persons death and dismemberment, but shrink like a scared little puppy from the sight of a firearm.

Now personally, I put alot of faith in my 870, or my 1911. But if my buddy or neighbor chooses a different path to personal protection, I'm gonna have to assume they have thier reasons and respect the decision.


I aint nuthin' but poor small town white trash, and a veteran of many drunken brawls and a couple sober ones, and I approve this message.:D
 
"I tend to agree with twindog. If you're close enough to use a hawk or blade, you're already in a very bad situation, especially since you don't know the physical/mental condition of the intruder. And if you're thinking of throwing that blade or axe, what happens when you miss or fail to hit properly? You've just lost your best defence. Proper throwing takes practice and concentration. I don't know about you boys, but I ain't exactly the most mentally acute when I'm woken up at 2am. I keep an 870...."

Ok.. if 'im close enough to use a hawk, im in a bad situation" ? well, i can see where youre coming from but.. ya never took in consideration, that the other guy doesnt know hes about to get whacked by one... :) its dark. the element of suprise. its THE best weapon. plus, like he said, you dont know the level of training the said 'hawk wielder has. i never thought of a framer being really good with a tomahawk lol. thats totally true. what about a roofer :) and my roofing hatchet, from estwing, resembles a hawk very nicely. :D
in the PITCH dark, where you dont know the layout of the house, and cant see a dam thing, vs me, that knows the entire layout of the house, and where not to step, to cause a creek, with your eyes, just coming out of the light, and my eyes having several hours of darkness to adjust... i'd hatchet the FUCK out of that guy.. it would be no contest. And even if he DID have more training in hand tools than i had.. ever hear of the old question "who runs faster, the rabbit or the fox... and why" the rabbit does... but how, the fox is a faster animal.. its simple, the fox is only running for his lunch, the rabbit is running for his life. I have more to lose, and more to protect. Ill fight to the death. im not sure hell risk his, in a protracted battle, for a TV or a handful of jewelry.

and your phrase of "I don't know about you boys, but I ain't exactly the most mentally acute when I'm woken up at 2am. I keep an 870..." doesnt exactly instill confidence.. lol. if you just told us, that when awaken at 02 in the morning, you arent that mentally acute.. and wouldnt trust yourself with a simple hawk.. what makes me believe that someone would trust you with an even MORE dangerous weapon.. one that throws lead VERY hard, and VERY far????? if youre not that sharp in the a.m. and cant handle a hatchet, i hope to GOD you dont go grabbin GUNS lol.
 
Don't worry! By the time I get all the locks undone and load up, I'll already have a cup of coffee brewed so me and the dumb bugger breaking into my house can sit down and discuss things peacefully (again, Canada). In case you didn't get it, I was being sarcastic in my last post. The truth is that I envy some of the self-defence freedoms that you guys south of the border enjoy. After all, I live in Canada, arguably the most criminal-friendly nation in the world. If someone breaks into my house and my dog bites him, I'm subject to civil and quite possibly criminal liability. If I injure someone in self-defence, I'm subject to the same thing again. If I point a loaded firearm, I'm right screwed. If I shoot someone, I'm standing in front of a judge no matter what the circumstances are. So welcome to Canada, where the criminals know you're unarmed, and the Gov. will stand up for their rights if by some slim chance you are. By the way, a 24oz. framing hammer will do a ton of damage (I used to be in fence construction) but the shank on those Eastwings will destroy fingers if you're not careful. I was serious about making myself a hawk though. I love the two 870's I have here at home, but the hoops I have to jump through to keep them legally stored and owned makes them useless for anything other than hunting and range use. I remember an article in either Blade or KI about a maker using ball-pein hammers to forge out hawks (can't remember his name though). It'd be interesting to see if I could do the same with a 30-32oz. eastwing. Claw-hawk anyone?
 
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