whose warranties cover unintentional abuse/breakage?

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Aniketos said:
Where are Micks videos showing him bending a MT-L ???

Yes, where are those videos, or even pictures. See post #54 of this thread I've been looking for such "test" info for a long time. It is very difficult to find any real info at all from Strider on how tough their knives are.

I'd sure like to see it, but not for the reasons you state. I'd like to see it because I want some firm info regarding what can be expected from their knives. Something more than, as you state "advertising".
 
There are photos floating around of Mick smashing a Sng with a hammer and stories of one being shot with a pistol I believe :eek:
 
warranty offered by busse, swamp rat, fehrman and other fine companies, shows that those makers stand behind their products 110%. It is good to know that the knife will most likely not fail under extreme circumstances, in a situation where a knife is called upon to perforum non-knife tasks, if need be. Say, I'm in a car accident and I need to pry door open or cut myself out of well whatever. If their knife breaks, they'll replace it. Most people don't get in these types of accidents every day. But when someone is reporting breaking their knives one after another and expects freebies, there's no warranty for that.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Blop.

"There was a review of the Chinook, telling us, that it was heavyly used...

I would like to know if Spyderco / Sal supports that considering the whole blade profile or not".


We try to handle potential abuse problems on a case by case. If we feel that the problem was a manufacturing defect, we'll replace the knife. If we feel the customer was using the knife beyond its design capability, we'll charge for the repair.

sal

I do think so, but as a "know nothing" customer i would be glad, if the manufacturer would give me some more advice what a specific model is designed to do and what not. Maybe a bad comparision but a comparision: If you buy a car, you get some information about speed aso. and an advice not to go over xx/ turns per minute.

If you do so, ok. And considering the speed, if it is not that fast as a Ferrari, you wont be surpriced.

If a warrantie regardless the model just covers cutting, it´s a long way to go to find out, what a type of blade can take and what not.

Actually the german knife makers guild sits down to get some things together, to say: "A knife like this or that, should take this or that under any circumstance." I am looking forward, what they will say.

This is a hard wish i have, but i hope, someday it will come true.

Everything we discuss is more or less subjektive, based on personal experience. I would like to see things changing to objektive information.
 
wow this ones getting a little nasty. A little more respect for the opinion of someone with as much experience with using, abusing, and analyzing knives as Cliff Stamp would behoove some of you. On the warranty issue, if what Cliff says is true then the Strider warranty is definitely not on par with HI or Busse, much less SRKW. If Mr Stamp is exaggerating perhaps or letting his personal feelings get in the way of objectivity, Strider still lags behind the golden three stated above because they cover even purely intentional damage, whereas it seems Strider will cover that only once and from there on out, one seems to be on one's own
 
BlondieAlmostEdge said:
A little more respect for the opinion of someone with as much experience with using, abusing, and analyzing knives as Cliff Stamp would behoove some of you.
It's hard for me to respect his opinion when he knocks things that he has not used. He says a Sebenza is inferior to other knives, then admits that he hasn't tested one because he doesn't like the warranty. He hasn't tested the knife or the warranty, but he has no trouble claiming they're inferior.



BlondieAlmostEdge said:
On the warranty issue, if what Cliff says is true then the Strider warranty is definitely not on par with HI or Busse, much less SRKW.
What did he say? That they raked him over the coals? He didn't say they refused to warranty the knife. This is another case of him knocking something he hasn't used. He says he didn't try to use the warranty on the Strider, and then he claims that the warranty is not as good as others. That means nothing to me. Sounds to me like Strider is just another respected knife maker that has no respect for his opinion.

I don't see anybody responding to the person asking for examples of Strider refusing or voiding anyone's warranty. Personally, I'd rather not pay more for a knife so the maker can offer an unconditional warranty to folks who'll intentionally abuse them, just because they know they can get it replaced for free.


Bobert
 
bobert said:
He says a Sebenza is inferior to other knives, then admits that he hasn't tested one because he doesn't like the warranty.
I have used one, that was what I based most of the comparisons on (cutting, ergonomics, etc.) . I stated it was inferior in regards to flicking and spine whacks because Reeve said it was abusive and would damage his knife and other makers guaranteed it would not on theirs.

... he claims that the warranty is not as good as others.
I don't have to when the makers say it for me. They are the ones that freaked out when I duplicated the work they used to promote theirs knives and their knife got functionally damaged and then they said that a replacement I would get would be marked accordingly. This is a weak warrenty policy, one of the weakest in fact because the warrenty does not support the marketing claims. You can't claim abuse when you promote a knife doing the work and more extreme besides.

-Cliff
 
BlondieAlmostEdge said:
... is exaggerating perhaps
It is all on the forums unless someone deleted it. I just reread it less than a month or so ago. You can check the threads for yourself and see if that seems like a strong warrenty polich for you.

Here is what happens, you buy a knife which is promoted for certain tasks. You attempt to do them and the knife is functionally damaged. You describe this on the forums.

The makers freak out, get personal attack you and what you do, and clearly state that any warrenty replacement will be marked to show the last knife was abused and the warrenty is therefore voided.

Now compare this with all the other makers who promote their knives for various work and actually warrenty those knives under said work.

It seems pretty clear to me that isn't a strong warrenty at all.

-Cliff
 
as a practical matter, I have great confidence that CRK would fix a knife if it breaks, as would Strider et al. For any reason. I can't imagine CRK saying they won't fix a broken knife because I flicked it. And I think that even with misuse these companies will fix my broken knife. I believe they are oriented that way and value their reputations highly.
 
cognitivefun said:
For any reason. I can't imagine CRK saying they won't fix a broken knife because I flicked it.
As I recall, this is precisely what has happened in the past.

The BFC search engine is flaking out on me, or I'd be able to find the cites.

-j
 
Who said it was? The WB I broke was functionally damaged by chopping on concrete, the primary grind was shattered. This is something that the Strider guys used to do all the time to promote their knives.

-Cliff
 
Surely you are not comparing fixed blade models to folders. :rolleyes:

What can you do to hurt a 1/4" thick piece of steel that cannot be easily repaired?

Folders on the other hand do have tolerances and precision fitting requirements.

Hey Mongo-man. I have seen people intentionally break something to see how much it takes to break it based on the fact that they believe they can get a new one for free.

sal
 
Aniketos said:
... proof on how Strider warrenty is inferior to other warrenties
The warrenty policy they stated is directly inferior. I have damaged other knives duplicating tests makers did, they were replaced without some "idiot" mark because the knives didn't do as promoted. I also didn't get publically attacked for attempting the work.

I can slap my Strider 50 million times open and it will lock up like the first time.
Strider has also stated spine whacks against hard targets is abusive with their folders.

-Cliff
 
Aniketos said:
If this doesnt speak for itself... then I can't possibly type more to convince you. :grumpy:

Aniketos,
Thank you for taking the time to post. I'm not trying to be "convinced" of anything and I'm not hostile towards Strider, however, before buying anything I like to see what the makers say the performance capabilities are.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear on what I was looking for, while I'm sure you appreciate what Duane and Mick have to say about their knives, I'm more interested in seeing what they can do. The information that you posted is just advertising, it is not performance oriented.

I am interested in seeing some specific information from the manufacturer on what their knives can do. Information such as lateral bend, edge retention, edge durability, rust resistance and pictures to support any of this information. I don't think this is a lot to ask, but I've been having a hard time finding this information. As I stated before, many of the other hard-use manufacturers have produced such info and posted it on the forums.

And while Strider comes across in their ads as extreme use knives, I really haven't seen the tests from Strider to back their claims. All I want is some testing info of what I can expect from the knife if I choose to buy it, and not advertising hype just talking about how "bad" their knives are.

Once again, I'm not hostile towards Strider, but no matter how hard I look for this info I can't find it and I really don't think it is too much to ask of a company to supply such info before I buy their product.

I hope that helps explain my dilemma.
 
I think some of you guys should visit Cliff's websites where he reviews the knives. I have, and I don't think he is an idiot who breaks knives for fun...although I imagine there may be a degree of fun involved. ;) . I think it is very informative to know exactly where a given knife will fail, and what various knives are capable of taking. I mean you can believe a manufacturer when he says his knives are indestructible, or you can see the knives in action with people like Cliff, who have a fair amount of knowledge concerning steels and their properties, and are able to give an informative, unbiased review of the knife. I am a huge Busse fan, I have seen Busse's broken before..didn't piss me off, any knife can be broken. But when Cliff breaks a knife by testing the knife (chopping through concrete), and the maker has stated that their knife is able to chop through concrete, well then the knife should be replaced no questions asked...I expect a Swamp Rat or Busse would be warranteed no questions asked in this instance, since they perform the concrete chop at various shows across the country. I have never seen Strider chop through a concrete block, and I don't know if they claim that their knives should be able to, but if they make those claims they should warranty without stamping the blade...no questions asked.
 
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