Why all the MANTIS Hate???

markksr said:
Welcome to my ignore list, shill.
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Again, a very clever argument. It shows a great deal of sophistication, and a willingness to engage in debate. I call you on calling me names, and you respond by calling me more names and going into the corner to pout. Very mature. Well, enjoy sitting there twiddling your thumbs. It appears that I won the argument, since you can't seem to refute what I said, and are sticking to your ever-so-successful insults instead. :D

-Mb
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Freudian Slip?

What is the old saying?

"Methinks thou doth protesteth too much"
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Huh? By them I meant mantis knives in general. Not "them" the company. I don't have the search function, so I couldn't see if anybody else had done one before. And the only thing I was protesting was being called a shill after I went through and did the work with the knife, and then wrote what I thought was an honest review.

-Mb
 
Doug C said:
I like Horse Stall Mat rubber for handle material,seems to work well from a user perspective.:thumbup:

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But doesn't ZR Rated :eek: Tire Rubber just scream performance..
..or something ? :confused:

Doug
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I actually quite liked that grip, and that knife. I found the oversized handle very comfortable (I have big mitts) and the handle material provided very good traction. Full review is here.
 
Regardless of whether the Mantits knives are decent or not , their requested forum spam campaign will put them right into the same category as Dork Ops , United and Fury.
To put it another way , someone comes into your hangout and tell his friends to piss on the furniture , well they tend not to be thought too highly of.
 
You're right, and that's a shame. This could have been one of those brands that offered decent quality for the money; I hate to see them shoot themselves in the foot by way of ill-conceived marketing.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
Regardless of whether the Mantits knives are decent or not , their requested forum spam campaign will put them right into the same category as Dork Ops , United and Fury.
To put it another way , someone comes into your hangout and tell his friends to piss on the furniture , well they tend not to be thought too highly of.
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Well said my friend!!

I wouldn't buy one of their knives if they were the LAST knife company on the planet!


And I feel that they already shot themselves in the foot!
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
Regardless of whether the Mantits knives are decent or not , their requested forum spam campaign will put them right into the same category as Dork Ops , United and Fury.
To put it another way , someone comes into your hangout and tell his friends to piss on the furniture , well they tend not to be thought too highly of.
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I can't really argue with that. I don't know about the other companies, as I only joined recently, but I am assuming they pulled similar stunts.

-Mb
 
I don't know if I agree with that. The United Cutlery knives I've owned were all decently made Taiwanese imports that were worth what I paid for them. I've had a few Furies that were good, too, but never really owned many.
 
I owned several United knockoffs of the Gerber Mark 1 that were perfectly serviceable and worth what they cost. I've owned plenty of unremarkable United folders that were worth what they cost. I've had a couple of Fury fixed blades that were also fine. "Good" is a subjective measure that must take into account the price point at which the knife was had. While I've no use for United's stainless steel LOTR fantasy swords or any of Kit Rae's nonsense, and I've no use for some of Fury's more exotic junk, both companies have produced plenty of serviceable if low-end knives that were good values (or at least adequate values) at their price points. (The same is true of other sometimes reviled brands like Taylor Cutlery, which nonetheless contains a couple of reasonably decent folders and fixed blades in its lineup.)

There are "good" knives at every point on the cost spectrum. One simply must be reasonable with regard to one's expectations, and keep the product lines in perspective.
 
United knockoffs of the Gerber Mark 1
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and therein proves they were true UNITED CUTLERY ;)

While GOOD is subjective , I must say I have never held a GOOD UC or FURY. I am assuming that the stuff they bring to the SHOT show would be their GOOD stuff , if so , they must have kept it under the table when they saw me coming every year I was there :)

Good , I cant agree too.. usable under extreme light duty perhaps , but not good , maybe FAIR at best.
 
Sharp Phil said:
I owned several United knockoffs of the Gerber Mark 1 that were perfectly serviceable and worth what they cost. I've owned plenty of unremarkable United folders that were worth what they cost. I've had a couple of Fury fixed blades that were also fine. "Good" is a subjective measure that must take into account the price point at which the knife was had. While I've no use for United's stainless steel LOTR fantasy swords or any of Kit Rae's nonsense, and I've no use for some of Fury's more exotic junk, both companies have produced plenty of serviceable if low-end knives that were good values (or at least adequate values) at their price points. (The same is true of other sometimes reviled brands like Taylor Cutlery, which nonetheless contains a couple of reasonably decent folders and fixed blades in its lineup.)

There are "good" knives at every point on the cost spectrum. One simply must be reasonable with regard to one's expectations, and keep the product lines in perspective.
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Have you actually used these knives and had the occasion to sharpen them multiple times both at home and in the field or are you just basing your testimony on the looks of the knives?

Can you define "Good" in reference to actual steel and its function as cutlery?
 
The problem with these companies isn't that all their knives are no good or that they aren't worth the price, it's that you don't know what you're getting. With Benchmade or Spyderco or Kershaw, you may decide you don't like the knife, but you won't have to worry about the quality.

With these off-brands, the quality and materials vary so much from item to item that getting one good one guarantees nothing about the next.
 
The_Monkeyboy said:
I can't really argue with that. I don't know about the other companies, as I only joined recently, but I am assuming they pulled similar stunts.

-Mb
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NO company that is held in good regard on the Forums has EVER told their customers to go flood BladeForums or any other knife forum with glowing tributes:
Buck - no
Spyderco - no
Benchmade - no
Ontario - no
RAT - no
Case - no
Queen - no
CRKT - no
CRK - no
Boker - no
SOG - no
KaBar - no
Kershaw - no

Mantis - YES

Now, many satisfied knife owners HAVE written about the good experiences they have had, but not because the knife company told them to. And that is the central issue. Mantis Told its "militia" to go flood BladeForums and others with glowing praise of Mantis knives. And though some have put it more bluntly, I will merely state that I personally was offended by this sales tactic and will never buy a Mantis knife because they have sullied my play room with spam. I HATE spam.
 
OMG. This is deplorable. I have noticed some of the Mantis knives in some catalogs over the past year or so and although some of them looked kind of interesting I never got around to buying one. I don't have any interest at all now. Yuck.
 
I've never had an interest in Mantis Knives, and I sure as hell don't have one now. I even tried to be fair about it... a buddy of mine handed me his new Mantis to check out, and it felt like one of the knives you buy at the gas station for $6. Looked like it too.

Those marketing schemes are just horrible, I mean come on! Kershaw and Buck got where they are by making great products, not by telling their customers that they'll win a knife if they can convince others of the product's superiority. Sal Glesser (Spyderco) and Mike Stewart (Bark River) don't have to hype their products up via "Militia Members" over the Internet. Their products speak for themselves.

This entire situation makes my balls itch.
 
The_Monkeyboy said:
I can't really argue with that. I don't know about the other companies, as I only joined recently, but I am assuming they pulled similar stunts.

-Mb
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That assumption is so far wrong and off base when it comes to the knife industry as a whole it is ludicrous. On what was that assumption based?

Why would anyone want to patronize a company that uses those tactics where the vast majority of knife companies operate with integrity and have made their names and reputations by strong ethics and excellent products?

The only reason I can come up with is a lack of knowledge. Hang around here and the members of BF can help with that.
 
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