Why all the MANTIS Hate???

maybe what they were getting at is their knives are like race tires with a ZERO tread wear rating ( Hoosier Auto-crossers ) , meaning their lifespan is short ? ;)
 
If that was the case, they'd be made out of old Goodyear Blue Streaks (I miss those tires)! Grippy, but one hot day at the track, and they're gone!
 
The appropriate term for those who amass knives with no collector value is "accumulating."

I, for one, have been a knife accumulator for years.
 
My Mantis knives may or may not have much "collector value" in the sense that they could be worth more money in the future than what I paid for them. That's not what I bought them for. I bought them to use. I have "user" knives, and I have what people call "safe queens". These are the ones that I do not use, and intend to sell at a later date for a profit. Just because a knife is not going to be sold at a profit, does not mean that it is not being collected. Collecting just means that you "collect". I currently have about 150 knives of all different values, from about $5, all the way to $1000 and more.
 
I could be wrong here, but I always thought that "spam" was when someone was trying to sell you something. I did not see Mantis try to sell anything here. They just wanted to let people know that 99.9% of the people that own them, are very happy with them. Why is that so wrong?

And something that has been bugging me for a long time now..... Apparently there was some confusion about a certain knife, and what steel is used. I am going to clear it up for all of you that can't figure it out by going to the website. The knife is called the "Monacoe". The BLADE is BG-42 ball bearing steel. The HANDLE is 420J2. If one site said one thing and another site said something else, it could have been an advertising mistake, or type-o. What's the big deal???? Sometimes, people do make mistakes, you don't have to tear them apart for it.
 
From Wikipedia:

Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam and junk fax transmissions.

Spamming remains economically viable because advertisers have no operating costs beyond the management of their mailing lists, and it is difficult to hold senders accountable for their mass mailings. Because the barrier to entry is so low, spammers are numerous, and the volume of unsolicited mail has become very high. The costs, such as lost productivity and fraud, are borne by the public and by Internet service providers, which have been forced to add extra capacity to cope with the deluge. Spamming is widely reviled, and has been the subject of legislation in many jurisdictions.[citation needed]

Persons who create electronic spam are called spammers.


What part of this don't you understand?
 
Which Gil Hibben do you own? The J.R. Second Edition, The Elmer Keith Skinner, or a Star Trek Movie Klingon Special?
 
SPXTrader said:
From Wikipedia:

Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam and junk fax transmissions.

Spamming remains economically viable because advertisers have no operating costs beyond the management of their mailing lists, and it is difficult to hold senders accountable for their mass mailings. Because the barrier to entry is so low, spammers are numerous, and the volume of unsolicited mail has become very high. The costs, such as lost productivity and fraud, are borne by the public and by Internet service providers, which have been forced to add extra capacity to cope with the deluge. Spamming is widely reviled, and has been the subject of legislation in many jurisdictions.[citation needed]

Persons who create electronic spam are called spammers.


What part of this don't you understand?
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The part I don't understand, is that what Mantis did, does not fit into this defenition. Asking people to talk about how much they like their Mantis knives and the customer service, IS NOT SPAM, under this definition.
 
made4blade said:
I could be wrong here, but I always thought that "spam" was when someone was trying to sell you something.
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Yep, you're wrong. Spam is when some scumbag floods, or incites others to flood, your mailbox, newsgroup, forum or anything else with crap that you do not want. You are, in effect, vandalising somebody else's property.
This is why I would never buy a Mantis knife, regardless of how good or cheap it might be. I don't buy things from scumbags. No, I'm not suggesting that all Mantis knife owners are scumbags, I'm sure the majority are perfectly OK people who thought they were getting a good deal. It wouldn't even have been a problem if a few of them spontaneously decided to post some messages telling us what they liked about the knives. Unfortunately the clown that owns the company decided to launch a spam campaign against knife forums, thereby earning the contempt of everyone which resulted in anyone posting anything about his products, no matter how innocently, being tarred with the same brush. So, not only has this idiot destroyed his own reputation on knife forums but he's caused his customers to be regarded with great suspicion as well.

So, it's pretty simple really, I don't hate the knives but I do hate scumbags who spam. I suspect this might be the same for most here.


made4blade said:
I did not see Mantis try to sell anything here. They just wanted to let people know that 99.9% of the people that own them, are very happy with them. Why is that so wrong?
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A couple of reasons. If INDIVIDUALS wanted to say what they thought, no problem. If a dealer wants to advertise or sell his products here he can buy a dealer membership and do so legitimately. Inciting others to spam is not a legitimate way of advertising your products.

BTW, I assume your 99.9% figure was obtained after rigorous research. What was your sample size and what was your demographic?

My point? Quoting nonsense statistics is not a great way to reinforce your argument.
 
made4blade said:
The part I don't understand, is that what Mantis did, does not fit into this defenition. Asking people to talk about how much they like their Mantis knives and the customer service, IS NOT SPAM, under this definition.
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they were/are users who joined with the specific intent of "spreading the word" about mantis knives, with the specific goal of winning some sort of contest.

bfc was inundated with mantis threads, all with the same content, all at the same time. it was treated as spam, rightfully so.



it was akin to a chain letter, terribly annoying. it ruined any credibility mantis knives may have had or could have earned. nothing you say about them will change that.
 
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