Why not Strider??

[giant1]

I know what A2 is.Making chisel-ground tantos is what kids who are into knifemaking start with.Saw blades are excellent for turning into knives.Piorek makes knives out of 3/32" stock,this is approaching the kid level of knifemaking utilizing hacksaws in terms of ease.

Why don't you change your name from Anythingsharp to Bowlingball because that's about how sharp you look in this thread.

 

[anythingsharp]

I`m a simple guy,anything sharp will do,lack the delusions of grandeur to call myself a giant.

PS.Insults are the last refuge of the out-argued.My esteemed opponents have so far only used empty ad hominem attacks and silly insults while avoiding the subject by using broad statements such as "500$ knives would dramatically outperform Greco knives" etc or saying that some magical genius-level talent is needed to grind a chisel tanto out of 3/32" thick A2,wrap it with paracord,slap a kydex sheath on it,dip it in some plastic shit which literally makes it look like a piece of plastic shit from a novelty store and call it a 500$ Special Forces Deanimator Model SNAFU 1.

 

[wolfmann601]

I would be interested to read what $500 knives John Greco is alleged to have claimed are inferior to his while speaking with you the other day.

You know, It is not a matter of prices, Bob Loveless could whip up a $50 knife as long as he did not attach his name to it, developed amnesia and forgot the skills he has learned and perfected over the decades, only cared about cutting as the only function with no concerns whatsoever about edge retention, no care about any uniformity in the blade, did not care about what steel he might use to forge, decided not to heat treat, and of course did not care if any defects in fit and finish existed.

But to built a hardcore, heavy-duty, multi-purpose knife that will need to cut and cut and cut while maintaining an edge, pry, chop, hammer and open beer bottles all the while looking like a knife one would be hard pressed to do so for $50 with any expectation it will remain a knife beyond 30 seconds, or would be a functioning tough, sharp, heavy duty EDC as the OP is using in comparison to a Strider.

But of course Mr. anythingbutsmart I am sure that a person like you with zero talent, zero experience, almost no appropriate equipment and zero knowledge of metalurgy could easily built a $30 to $50 knife as long as it is never used!!!!
Heck, even I, a guy like me who cannot hammer a nail straight, thought a forge was a single act of forgery, and "stainless surgical steel" was the bomb could crank up a Dremel and grinder and produce something that would cut.......................at least once. Then I could sell it for a nickle and claim I can make a knife that cuts for five cents. Oh yeah; then I can claim to dabble in knife making also!!!

 

[Haze]

I`m a simple guy,anything sharp will do,lack the delusions of grandeur to call myself a giant.

PS.Insults are the last refuge of the out-argued.My esteemed opponents have so far only used empty ad hominem attacks and silly insults while avoiding the subject by using broad statements such as "500$ knives would dramatically outperform Greco knives" etc or saying that some magical genius-level talent is needed to grind a chisel tanto out of 3/32" thick A2,wrap it with paracord,slap a kydex sheath on it,dip it in some plastic shit which literally makes it look like a piece of plastic shit from a novelty store and call it a 500$ Special Forces Deanimator Model SNAFU 1.

That's called contradiction, no matter who makes your knives or how much they cost

 

[anythingsharp]

Greco uses 5160,1075,A2,8670 and sometimes 52100 (I`m lucky to have bought a few of his 1/4" thick 52100 MST`s for 50$ apiece and I`ll probbaly die waiting for being able to buy a knife made from 1/4" thick 52100 for 50$ again.)

Explain to me why a properly heat-treated knife from any of these steels would fail after 30 seconds of use or even abuse while a 300-500$ Strider made from stainless will just go on and on like the Energizer?

Isn`t it wishful thinking to believe that since you broke your bank account on a knife,paid as much or much more than for a gun (think how much complex machining requires making a gun) this knife will provide immeasurably superior service?

it is known in watch collector circles that it`s impossible to make a watch movement costing more than 200$,yet you see watches go for up to half a million $$ and even more.The 18k gold or platinum in them is worth 500-1000$,the movement production costs are 200$ yet people people pay for "prestige".People who buy overpriced watches are either rich folks for whom having such toys is a necessity to be accepted into the circle of similar people or they are very shallow,insecure people whom such toys help to feel good about themselves.A guy has a sense of accomplishment that he has "the best watch",a 50$ Orient automatic is just as good.

Diamonds are semi-precious stones mined by the tonne,the cost of 1 carat diamond is 5.00$ yet people have been conditioned to accept them as highly valuable,a fact known to any jeweler but not to most of his customers.

The same is applicable to knifecollecting.Many people have such identities as "Strider fans" or "Busse guys".Knife is man`s oldest tool,knives in general are rather simple and it doesn`t take Sigmund Freud to figure out the underlying causes of why people buy 500$+ sharpened prybars made from stainless or unknown steel.

 

[Haze]

Greco uses 5160,1075,A2,8670 and sometimes 52100 (I`m lucky to have bought a few of his 1/4" thick 52100 MST`s for 50$ apiece and I`ll probbaly die waiting for being able to buy a knife made from 1/4" thick 52100 for 50$ again.)

Explain to me why a properly heat-treated knife from any of these steels would fail after 30 seconds of use or even abuse while a 300-500$ Strider made from stainless will just go on and on like the Energizer?

Isn`t it wishful thinking to believe that since you broke your bank account on a knife,paid as much or much more than for a gun (think how much complex machining requires making a gun) this knife will provide immeasurably superior service?

it is known in watch collector circles that it`s impossible to make a watch movement costing more than 200$,yet you see watches go for up to half a million $$ and even more.The 18k gold or platinum in them is worth 500-1000$,the movement production costs are 200$ yet people people pay for "prestige".People who buy overpriced watches are either rich folks for whom having such toys is a necessity to be accepted into the circle of similar people or they are very shallow,insecure people whom such toys help to feel good about themselves.A guy has a sense of accomplishment that he has "the best watch",a 50$ Orient automatic is just as good.

Diamonds are semi-precious stones mined by the tonne,the cost of 1 carat diamond is 5.00$ yet people have been conditioned to accept them as highly valuable,a fact known to any jeweler but not to most of his customers.

The same is applicable to knifecollecting.Many people have such identities as "Strider fans" or "Busse guys".Knife is man`s oldest tool,knives in general are rather simple and it doesn`t take Sigmund Freud to figure out the underlying causes of why people buy 500$+ sharpened prybars made from stainless or unknown steel.

You are now just making stuff up to argue about and still trying to answer questions that were never asked.

 

[3Guardsmen]

it doesn`t take Sigmund Freud to figure out the underlying causes of why people buy 500$+ sharpened prybars made from stainless or unknown steel.

Perhaps, if Sigmund Freud were still with the living, he could assist us in determining what the underlying causes are of an internet troll. Perhaps, as well, Sigmund Freud, were he not dead, could help explain to you that, in all of your incoherent ramblings, you have failed to convince one member to see things your way. As the old saying goes, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

 

[anythingsharp]

Look around you,the dollar which a measure of weight of gold and silver has been replaced by worthless green paper yet only 0.3% of the public realizes that this is a scam and subversion of US Constitution for which the punishment is hanging by the neck until dead.This scam makes the owners of the Federal reserve,the top bankers and a few other people incalculably rich while the regular people are enslaved and fleeced.

My purpose is to see the reaction of the "knife community" to the basic fact that carbon steel is a better choice for hard-use knives than any stainless.Keeping this rock-solid fact in mind while choosing their knives would save the average knife collector and user 100`s and 1000`s of their ever-less-valuable fiat dollars but would reduce the earnings of Striders of this world and that of their dealers.

PS.I really enjoy seeing people squirm and weasel their way around this basic fact.Papa Freud would detect a hint of sadism in my pleasure and he wouldn`t be enirely incorrect.

 

[Josh K]

Look around you,the dollar which a measure of weight of gold and silver has been replaced by worthless green paper yet only 0.3% of the public realizes that this is a scam and subversion of US Constitution for which the punishment is hanging by the neck until dead.This scam makes the owners of the Federal reserve,the top bankers and a few other people incalculably rich while the regular people are enslaved and fleeced.

My purpose is to see the reaction of the "knife community" to the basic fact that carbon steel is a better choice for hard-use knives than any stainless.Keeping this rock-solid fact in mind while choosing their knives would save the average knife collector and user 100`s and 1000`s of their ever-less-valuable fiat dollars but would reduce the earnings of Striders of this world and that of their dealers.

PS.I really enjoy seeing people squirm and weasel their way around this basic fact.Papa Freud would detect a hint of sadism in my pleasure and he wouldn`t be enirely incorrect.

So you pay for your groceries in gold, the obvious currency?

You reaction is you're wrong. This is not a "rock-solid" fact, only a figment of your imagination because you're too cheap to try anything that costs more then $50.

 

[Haze]

Look around you,the dollar which a measure of weight of gold and silver has been replaced by worthless green paper yet only 0.3% of the public realizes that this is a scam and subversion of US Constitution for which the punishment is hanging by the neck until dead.This scam makes the owners of the Federal reserve,the top bankers and a few other people incalculably rich while the regular people are enslaved and fleeced.

My purpose is to see the reaction of the "knife community" to the basic fact that carbon steel is a better choice for hard-use knives than any stainless.Keeping this rock-solid fact in mind while choosing their knives would save the average knife collector and user 100`s and 1000`s of their ever-less-valuable fiat dollars but would reduce the earnings of Striders of this world and that of their dealers.

PS.I really enjoy seeing people squirm and weasel their way around this basic fact.Papa Freud would detect a hint of sadism in my pleasure and he wouldn`t be enirely incorrect.

There is no one that I can see squirming or weasiling in this thread

What about the carbon steel knives that cost more than the stainles knives "in question" ? Are they part of this apparant conspiracy we're all failing to see too ?

 

[anythingsharp]

So you pay for your groceries in gold, the obvious currency?

You reaction is you're wrong. This is not a "rock-solid" fact, only a figment of your imagination because you're too cheap to try anything that costs more then $50.

US dollar has lost 95% of it`s purchasing power in the last 100 years,from this point on it will go off a cliff and hit zero within a few years.The Constitutional tri-metallic standard allows people to pay with copper and silver for their groceries while gold is reserved for large payments.

I`m rubbing my hands in glee seeing my suspicion confirmed that those who uphold the rather insignificant but obvious cutlery lies would also uphold the deadly serious economic lies too.Thank God the political section of BF has been closed to the regular members,the shit one could read there would make stones cry and laugh at the same time.

 

[anythingsharp]

There is no one that I can see squirming or weasiling in this thread

What about the carbon steel knives that cost more than the stainles knives "in question" ? Are they part of this apparant conspiracy we're all failing to see too ?

You got it,bro!The overpriced hard-use knives made from the appropriate carbon steels are a carbon conspiracy to make you part with your hard-earned bucks.Conspiracy is derived from the Latin "conspire" of "breath together".It takes a few people acting in concert to convince the sheeple to pay 500$ for a hard-use knife made from any steel.

So,we have identified 2 cutlery conspiracies so far,the wide-spread stainless conspiracy and the less nefarious but also profitable carbon steel conspiracy.

 

[Haze]

So you're saying the carbon steel bowie I have forged and hammered by hand, ground by hand, fitted and fished by hand, delivered
in a hand stitched leather sheath and made by someone I call a friend is part of a conspiracy because it cost more than a 100 or so bucks ?

Okaaaay

I had better have a word with him about this

 

[Josh K]

So you're saying the carbon steel bowie I have forged and hammered by hand, ground by hand, fitted and fished by hand, delivered
in a hand stitched leather sheath and made by someone I call a friend is part of a conspiracy because it cost more than a 100 or so bucks ?

Okaaaay

I had better have a word with him about this

Obviously you should refund all of his money for overcharging him for a $12 piece of metal. The time and effort are meaning less when creating knives. It's not like you couldn't get a kid to do it with a $30 grinder.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

anythingbuttsharp...

you do realize that even Mr Greco makes some knives that costs over $100 right ?and over $250?? Nice knives they are , but still over $100 , and rightfully so they should be.

If all you factor into the price is the materials , you are undervaluing the craftsmanship , which is what you are doing to all knifemakers with your " failure to make sense" ramblings.

Class is over , you are hereby dismissed..........please board the little yellow bus on your left.....no Freud Jr , your other left...

 

[Cougar Allen]

Thanks for the advice.I live in a building and can only use a dremel without seriously disturbing my neighbours.It takes me about 8hrs of labor to make a skeleton neck knife or a karambit.One can turn out a few JSP`s everyday but getting the big bux for them is where PR or BS is needed.I lack the bullshit skills needed in order to charge 1000`s$$ for a piece of sharpened hacksaw.ry.

Awwwwwww, that just sucks. If only you had less selfish neighbors and some bullshit skills you could earn $2,000 an hour making knives -- but circumstances are against you.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

nice.... though we probably should not doubt this cat's mad skillz....

 

[TyMathews]

I don't know about you all, but since Strider knives are allegedly over priced POS (I love mine though) I am now going to pay for all my groceries and survival gear along with my Hotwheel collection in quatloos.

-Tye

 

[Keith Montgomery]

From reading this you'd think that Greco were the Holy Grail of knives, rather than the very good, high value knives that they are.

I don't believe for one minute that John Greco would belittle other makers by saying that his knives were better than those of makers charging $500.00 or more for their knives, even if in some cases that is likely the truth.

Having been to quite a few hammer-ins, I can tell you that the work put into many knives makes them well worth spending $500.00 or more on.

I've yet to see a knife produced by a kid with a Dremel and a $30.00 grinder that I would pay more than $25.00 for. Maybe there are some out there making decent knives, but I haven't seen any.

 

[wolfmann601]

US dollar has lost 95% of it`s purchasing power in the last 100 years,from this point on it will go off a cliff and hit zero within a few years.The Constitutional tri-metallic standard allows people to pay with copper and silver for their groceries while gold is reserved for large payments.

I`m rubbing my hands in glee seeing my suspicion confirmed that those who uphold the rather insignificant but obvious cutlery lies would also uphold the deadly serious economic lies too.Thank God the political section of BF has been closed to the regular members,the shit one could read there would make stones cry and laugh at the same time.

Lets see, the dollar has lost 95%, and a one carat diamond mined cost 5 bucks. AS you are a man of great knowledge allow me one question;
After that $5 diamond is mined, taken to a diamond cutter to cut, then sold wholesale to a company like Debeers who will then sell it to an entity who will then sell it to someone who will sell it to me; I should be angry because that $5 diamond no longer costs $5?

No wonder the US dollar has lost 95% , you must have been the banker!!!!

Of course that would make a $500 knife cost how much if the dollar was valued at a dollar????????????