Why not Strider??

[Cougar Allen]

P.S. I should explain that.... Mad Dog notoriously hates stainless steel and refuses to use it. His knives are hard chromed O1.

 

[anythingsharp]

1)And many dramatically exceed your Greco in every category, even of course in the static category since most $400 are in fact devoid of ststic therefore earning their place in the "ex-static" ranking you speak of.

2)Look, you are in love with Greco's knives above all others and will not acknolwledge that there are many knives made better that cost more than $50, so why bother to debate you.
Not one person here has ragged Greco knives, matter of fact many who have used one will agree they are nice knives for the money. Most here who are aware of John Greco's knives truly appreciate him for making a functioning "vanilla" knife for the price he charges. I bet if you asked John to take the position that his $50-$100 knives are better than the $500 knives you so hate he will not....

3)I am no longer that 6'1 190 pound super-secret, hi-speed operator, or am exposed to the terrible dangers that exist at the Malls or Supermarket parking lots I used to frequent so I do not need an overbuilt hardcore type knife. What I need is an EDC suited to the everyday tasks I now encounter and the handmade slipjoint I now carry fits the bill. As a former wannabe (I used to be an active, hardcore really badass wannabe but I shrunk 2" and now weigh 590 pounds :grumpy hero life saver, badass, brawling, 2X4 swinging scare the world type I do not need a heavy duty knife like Strider, Busse and others in that category. BUT if I did and my life depended on it I would make certain The knife I carried did what I needed it to without fail irrespective of the cost!!

1) I`m afraid my English isn`t good enough to understand the first paragraph.Could you clarify how they would exceed Greco`s knives?

2)I`ve spoken to John Greco and he agreed with me on the subject of his knives being better than the 500+ overpriced knives from "famous" makers.

3) If I had to choose only ONE knife to have in case of a grave extreme like being dropped on an inhabitable island somewhere ,I would choose my Siegle 5/16" thick 5" long blade zone-hardened 5160 camping/survival knife or my 1/4" S7 Hankins combat knife.These knives are about 250$ each.The only thing that makes them better in terms of the survival aspect than Greco is Siegle`s thickness and zone HT and Hankins` choice of S7 steel which is even more impact resistant that Greco`s 8670 or A2 blades.This difference is too small to make them worth 5 Greco 50$ knives.Greco has made many different models using many steels,his 5160 camp 9" blades that you could buy for 100-150$ are again the best knives for the money in the camp knife category.MMHW is another example of great quality and value and Ted Frizzell is a great guy.

Why would anyone buy Mad Dog knives is beyond me.Why would anyone buy Hartsfield most primitive knives for 1000-2000$ or JSP Bladerigger Piorek 1/8" thick chisel-ground tantos for 2000$ when a kid with a dremel and a 30$ bench-grinder could make them in an hour?

 

[Josh K]

1) I`m afraid my English isn`t good enough to understand the first paragraph.Could you clarify how they would exceed Greco`s knives?

2)I`ve spoken to John Greco and he agreed with me on the subject of his knives being better than the 500+ overpriced knives from "famous" makers.

3) If I had to choose only ONE knife to have in case of a grave extreme like being dropped on an inhabitable island somewhere ,I would choose my Siegle 5/16" thick 5" long blade zone-hardened 5160 camping/survival knife or my 1/4" S7 Hankins combat knife.These knives are about 250$ each.The only thing that makes them better in terms of the survival aspect than Greco is Siegle`s thickness and zone HT and Hankins` choice of S7 steel which is even more impact resistant that Greco`s 8670 or A2 blades.This difference is too small to make them worth 5 Greco 50$ knives.Greco has made many different models using many steels,his 5160 camp 9" blades that you could buy for 100-150$ are again the best knives for the money in the camp knife category.MMHW is another example of great quality and value and Ted Frizzell is a great guy.

Why would anyone buy Mad Dog knives is beyond me.Why would anyone buy Hartsfield most primitive knives for 1000-2000$ or JSP Bladerigger Piorek 1/8" thick chisel-ground tantos for 2000$ when a kid with a dremel and a 30$ bench-grinder could make them in an hour?

1. No. If you haven't gotten it by now you won't.

2. Don't know him, haven't handled his knives, but suffice it to say extolling your own work is neither good marketing, nor a proper reference in an argument.

3. Because a kid with a dremel and bench grinder couldn't make them in an hour.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

With all the experience you claim to have on debating topics , you would think by now you would have figured that with each post you look more and more like someone without a friggin clue in the world about custom knives ?

Perhaps print out and read some of your jibberish.

I have NEVER spoken with a knife maker and had heard him/her flat out say their knives were better than someone else's. Not to say it doesn't happen but I never personally heard it.

I honestly doubt you have ever spoken with Mr Greco.

 

[anythingsharp]

With all the experience you claim to have on debating topics , you would think by now you would have figured that with each post you look more and more like someone with a friggin clue in the world about custom knives ?

Perhaps print out and read some of your jibberish.

I have NEVER spoken with a knife maker and had heard him/her flat out say their knives were better than someone else's. Not to say it doesn't happen but I never personally heard it.

I honestly doubt you have ever spoken with Mr Greco.

This entire post is empty ad hominem attacks.The core subject of this thread is why not Strider.My argument is because stainless steel should not be used in combat/survival knives and Greco makes superb combat/survival knives made from the appropriate steels for the job which at the same time cost a fraction of Strider knives.

 

[anythingsharp]

1. No. If you haven't gotten it by now you won't.

2. Don't know him, haven't handled his knives, but suffice it to say extolling your own work is neither good marketing, nor a proper reference in an argument.

3. Because a kid with a dremel and bench grinder couldn't make them in an hour.

Explain what obstacles would lie between a kid with a 30$ bench-grinder,a dremel/sandpaper/vise and a piece of 1/8" A2 bought on ebay for 12.99$ and making a JSP Piorek chisel-ground tanto which is now for over 2000$ on ebay?

 

[Josh K]

Explain what obstacles would lie between a kid with a 30$ bench-grinder,a dremel/sandpaper/vise and a piece of 1/8" A2 bought on ebay for 12.99$ and making a JSP Piorek chisel-ground tanto which is now for over 2000$ on ebay?

Talent
Skill
Desire
Reputation
Legacy
Following

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

Explain what obstacles would lie between a kid with a 30$ bench-grinder,a dremel/sandpaper/vise and a piece of 1/8" A2 bought on ebay for 12.99$ and making a JSP Piorek chisel-ground tanto which is now for over 2000$ on ebay?

You tell us , you say you dabble in making , obviously have the knowledge and the tools... stop telling us , and start showing us.

You took this thread off track a long time ago bud....

Are Greco's good knives , yes they are. However there are other makers who can make knives also , and yes some use stainless steel... imagine that ??

Please give the comparing makers a break.

Please show us , with all your vast knowledge of superior weapons , knives and edge holding , show us what you can make , certainly you are better than a kid with harbor freight grinder right ? .... or you just gonna play the soccer mom and complain from the sidelines ?

No offense to soccer mom's..whom I hold in much higher regard.

 

[anythingsharp]

Talent
Skill
Desire
Reputation
Legacy
Following

Talent is needed in order to make art folders worth 1000`s$$
Skill needed to make Piorek knives can be aquiered after making a dozen of them(even the first few sloppy ones will be perfectly functional)


Reputation
Legacy
and Following

are needed to convince the sheeple to fork over 2000$ for a piece of sharpened hacksaw.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Explain what obstacles would lie between a kid with a 30$ bench-grinder,a dremel/sandpaper/vise and a piece of 1/8" A2 bought on ebay for 12.99$ and making a JSP Piorek chisel-ground tanto which is now for over 2000$ on ebay?

The only obstacle is your own inertia. If you can overcome that, you can get yourself a $30 grinder and a Dremel tool and turn $12.99 into over $2,000 every hour, and giggle at us while you work. What are you waiting for? :thumbup:

 

[Josh K]

Talent is needed in order to make art folders worth 1000`s$$
Skill needed to make Piorek knives can be aquiered after making a dozen of them(even the first few sloppy ones will be perfectly functional)


Reputation
Legacy
and Following

are needed to convince the sheeple to fork over 2000$ for a piece of sharpened hacksaw.

A2 is not a hacksaw blade.

Skill to make even grinds cannot be acquired after a dozen blades. It takes much longer then that to freehand even grinds.

Reputation is a large component of identity. The makers identity defines their style, skill, legacy, and following. It's hard to achieve, and not an easy task.

 

[anythingsharp]

The only obstacle is your own inertia. If you can overcome that, you can get yourself a $30 grinder and a Dremel tool and turn $12.99 into over $2,000 every hour, and giggle at us while you work. What are you waiting for? :thumbup:

Thanks for the advice.I live in a building and can only use a dremel without seriously disturbing my neighbours.It takes me about 8hrs of labor to make a skeleton neck knife or a karambit.One can turn out a few JSP`s everyday but getting the big bux for them is where PR or BS is needed.I lack the bullshit skills needed in order to charge 1000`s$$ for a piece of sharpened hacksaw.Take a look at what people in the knifemaker`s section are offering for at least half the price of the "famous" makers,you`ll be amazed what your fiat dollars can still buy you in terms of cutlery.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

when a kid with a dremel and a 30$ bench-grinder could make them in an hour?

It takes me about 8hrs of labor to make a skeleton neck knife or a karambit..

maybe you can team up with the kid and get schooled :jerkit:

I lack the bullshit skills needed.

really , you are certainly not lacking in that dept.... believe us , we believe you have mad bullshit skills...

really we do , right guys ? Cougar ? Josh ?

 

[anythingsharp]

A2 is not a hacksaw blade.

Skill to make even grinds cannot be acquired after a dozen blades. It takes much longer then that to freehand even grinds.

Reputation is a large component of identity. The makers identity defines their style, skill, legacy, and following. It's hard to achieve, and not an easy task.

I know what A2 is.Making chisel-ground tantos is what kids who are into knifemaking start with.Saw blades are excellent for turning into knives.Piorek makes knives out of 3/32" stock,this is approaching the kid level of knifemaking utilizing hacksaws in terms of ease.

 

[Josh K]

I know what A2 is.Making chisel-ground tantos is what kids who are into knifemaking start with.Saw blades are excellent for turning into knives.Piorek makes knives out of 3/32" stock,this is approaching the kid level of knifemaking utilizing hacksaws in terms of ease.

Yeah. If I ever started I wouldn't start with chisel ground tanto knives. :barf:

"Kid level" of knife making? What is that exactly?

 

[TyMathews]

maybe you can team up with the kid and get schooled :jerkit:



really , you are certainly not lacking in that dept.... believe us , we believe you have mad bullshit skills...

really we do , right guys ? Cougar ? Josh ?

I can only speak for myself, but I agree with you John. He's the most bomb diggity bullshitter on this thread.

-Tye

 

[anythingsharp]

Yeah. If I ever started I wouldn't start with chisel ground tanto knives. :barf:

"Kid level" of knife making? What is that exactly?

What would you start with,an art folder with 500 layer damascus of your own making,fossilized mammoth bone scales and 18k gold diamond-studded bolsters?

Kid level knifemaking is breaking a hacksaw blade diagonally,sticking in a vise,grinding 2 straight bevels for a tanto blade,wrapping the handle with duct-tape and calling it a "Special forces Covert Backup Model 1".Try it sometime...

 

[Haze]

Yeah. If I ever started I wouldn't start with chisel ground tanto knives. :barf:

"Kid level" of knife making? What is that exactly?

That's obviously where those chisel grinding amatures like Ernest Emerson and Phill Hartsfield etc. are.

 

[anythingsharp]

That's obviously where those chisel grinding amatures like Ernest Emerson and Phill Hartsfield etc. are.

Bill Siegle of whom I`m a huge fan,started making knives at 8 years of age.Judging by his amazing output I suspect that at about 10 he was already making knives as good as JSP Bladerigger.

Please refrain from using so many rolleyes smilies,you may develop eye nerve damage that way.

 

[Haze]

Bill Siegle of whom I`m a huge fan,started making knives at 8 years of age.Judging by his amazing output I suspect that at about 10 he was already making knives as good as JSP Bladerigger.

Please refrain from using so many rolleyes smilies,you may develop eye nerve damage that way.

Sounds great........