Why not Strider??

i seriously doubt anyone thinks that greco is having this guy shill for him. no one ever suggested that.

but for our purposes on bfc, it is not a prerequisite that greco be in any way responsible for anythingsharp's spam/shill.

and it is also possible, and unfortunate, if anythingsharp's posts have turned people off to greco's work.
 
I don't think anyone in this thread, most of whom are very astute when it comes to knives, is going to get turned off to Greco knives simply because of the stupid behavior of one person, Anythingsharp, whose forum handle should probably instead be Nothingsharp.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
but for our purposes on bfc, it is not a prerequisite that greco be in any way responsible for anythingsharp's spam/shill.
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well, I'm going by the generally accepted meaning of the term, which would mean that he's doing it with direction or at least encouragement of Greco. Shilling is deception, not just fanboyism.

I would hope no one associates this mess with Greco, but the fans and the brands don't always get that benefit.

As for the S90V quotes, in the other thread Josh says it's a big step up from S30V, and here he says it isn't the best stainless for folders and that S30V gets the job done. General statements don't get any of us anywhere, we got plenty of examples of that here :D
 
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well, I'm going by the generally accepted meaning of the term, which would mean that he's doing it with direction or at least encouragement of Greco. Shilling is deception, not just fanboyism.
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yes, i understood your post to mean just that. he/she introduced the word "shill" to the discussion, i was using the play on words. in no way do i think greco should be held responsible for anythingsharp's posts. but it is possible that he/she is actually greco, and therefore the deception exists.

i dont think anythingsharp's greco posts warrant an infraction, necessarily, but they sure do smell like spam.

I would hope no one associates this mess with Greco, but the fans and the brands don't always get that benefit.
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i think most of us here are smarter than that, but we know who to blame if anyone does. ;)

As for the S90V quotes, in the other thread Josh says it's a big step up from S30V, and here he says it isn't the best stainless for folders and that S30V gets the job done. General statements don't get any of us anywhere, we got plenty of examples of that here :D
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yes, i read them. i don't think josh was contradicting himself. s90v is a big step up from s30v, and still may not be the best suited for a folder, in his opinion.
 
hardheart said:
well, I'm going by the generally accepted meaning of the term, which would mean that he's doing it with direction or at least encouragement of Greco. Shilling is deception, not just fanboyism.

I would hope no one associates this mess with Greco, but the fans and the brands don't always get that benefit.

As for the S90V quotes, in the other thread Josh says it's a big step up from S30V, and here he says it isn't the best stainless for folders and that S30V gets the job done. General statements don't get any of us anywhere, we got plenty of examples of that here :D
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A mess,my friend, is when your house is worth less than your knife.Have you noticed that nobody has attacked the substance of my posts or answered my questions,at the same time this has been nothing but empty ad hominem attacks,ass,shill,Greco fanboy etc?I mentioned favorably MMHW and Siegle among others,am I their "boy" too?

There are essentially only 2 kinds of knives,user knives and art knives that are not to be used but admired for their artistic/jewelry type value.When the price of ANY user knife,custom or semi-custom (hahahaha) approaches that of an art knife that takes weeks or months to make,something is deeply wrong.This bubble will not be sustained forever and some of you may one day be stuck with your Striders and Busses in the woods (there are tent cities growing in California already) where you`ll have plenty of time to "beat up " your knives and and "throw anything at`em",probably only then you`ll learn the difference between a carbon and stainless combat/survival knife.
 
anythingsharp said:
Can anyone engage in a serious discussion of expensive and overpriced knives without relating to economics and politics?Why the puke smilie?Yes,US politics and economics do make one puke.

Everything I said in this thread about steel,designs and prices are simple facts known to everyone knowledgeable about knives.I deal in facts,not bullshit.

Let`s see what I got?I`m not a knifemaker,I dabble in making,make a sheath or a simple neck knife once in a while.Does it seem that I have "all the experience in fighting knives"?Thanks for the compliment but the number of real knifefighting experts is extremely small and I`m not one of them (If you read bladeforums you may get the impression there are 1000`s of them.)What do you mean experience in fighting knives?Making them,fighting with them or having experienced being stabbed with one?I`m none of these.
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That is by far one of the most moronic posts I have read in 2009. You deal in facts but the facts you cite appear to be skewed because you like one knife above others. That changes fact to opinion Mr. Debater. Furthermore, since your opinion is that no knife is worth $500, and that you get the impression there are "1,000's of knife fighting experts you could show us your talents as a debater and defend your assumption as the truth, listen to those on the other side (us that believe knives can be worth $500) and find the flaws on that position, and use FACT to prove your position is right

Maybe you could start with a factual explanation why every knife in the $500 and up range is inferior to a $50 Greco.

Please keep in mind the OP asked why many folks mention they are willing to buy Dozier and Busse knives, and many mention they are not willing to pay these amounts for a Strider. Maybe you can tell us why a Busse knife made of INFI routinely in excess of $300-$400 has an enormous following of people who actually use them in the field and "appear" to meet the Busse users expectations, why Doziers made of D2 run in the $400 and up range and sell as quickly as they can be made and are routinely described as true workhorses, and of course why Striders, according to the OP, are frequently mentioned as knives one never buys.

Now that would be a good starting point for a debate, at least you might use facts instead of likes and dislikes to defend your position.

Oh, and in keeping with this "debate", I think your position is based on some of this:jerkit:, some of this:barf:, some of this :foot: and a ton of these:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
anythingsharp said:
This bubble will not be sustained forever and some of you may one day be stuck with your Striders and Busses in the woods (there are tent cities growing in California already) where you`ll have plenty of time to "beat up " your knives and and "throw anything at`em",probably only then you`ll learn the difference between a carbon and stainless combat/survival knife.
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Coat hanger Vs 1095
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Coat hanger Vs INFI
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The only thing one could cast up on here is the carbon steel blade is convexed and the INFI is beveled.
It makes little difference IMO but the 1095 still chiped out pretty good on the hanger but the INFI just kind
of dented and was pretty easy to clean the edge up after the damage was done.
The damage to the INFI will sharpen out fairly quickly but the 1095 will need totally rebeveled to get rid of the chip.
 

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Maybe you could start with a factual explanation why every knife in the $500 and up range is inferior to a $50 Greco.

Please keep in mind the OP asked why many folks mention they are willing to buy Dozier and Busse knives, and many mention they are not willing to pay these amounts for a Strider. Maybe you can tell us why a Busse knife made of INFI routinely in excess of $300-$400 has an enormous following of people who actually use them in the field and "appear" to meet the Busse users expectations, why Doziers made of D2 run in the $400 and up range and sell as quickly as they can be made and are routinely described as true workhorses, and of course why Striders, according to the OP, are frequently mentioned as knives one never buys.

Now that would be a good starting point for a debate, at least you might use facts instead of likes and dislikes to defend your position.
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Some 500$ knives are equal in quality to my Greco MST in 1/4" thick 52100 steel,none of them are equal in VALUE to 10 Grecos.

Here is a little fairy tale.Once upon a time a couple of dozen guys started to sell knives made of "new" steel.To each other.On a certain forum and ebay.At ever increasing prices while flooding the forums with exstatic praises of this "new" steel.Whether the knives actually traded hands is not known.Pretty soon others seeing the prices go up,joined the game which has continued to this very day.This happened in China and the steel had a quite Chinese-sounding name,something ending in "fee".
 
anythingsharp said:
Some 500$ knives are equal in quality to my Greco MST in 1/4" thick 52100 steel,none of them are equal in VALUE to 10 Grecos.
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Dude, you're seriously becoming a pain in the backside with all your Greco talk! I dislike Strider as much as the next guy, and I happen to like Greco and his work, but you're coming off like a total troll-shill! If you don't freakin' cut it out, I'm gonna email/call John Greco, tell him what's going on here and refer him to this thread. We'll see if he approves of you slinging his name around unnecessarily in a thread about why Strider doesn't rock!
 
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Dude, you're seriously becoming a pain in the backside with all your Greco talk! I dislike Strider as much as the next guy, and I happen to like Greco and his work, but you're coming off like a total troll-shill! If you don't freakin' cut it out, I'm gonna email/call John Greco, tell him what's going on here and refer him to this thread. We'll see if he approves of you slinging his name around unnecessarily in a thread about why Strider doesn't rock!
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Now I`m scared,please don`t do that.I will freakin` cut it out now.
I have a psychological imbalance that causes me to blurt out awful things about In-Fee.I hope I haven`t said anything that would cause pain in the backside that a couple of Vicodins wouldn`t cure.I`m a total troll-shill,ass,moron,Nothingsharp,Grecoboy,everything I`ve said here is :foot::jerkit::confused::barf::thumbdn::mad::
 
anythingsharp said:
Now I`m scared,please don`t do that.I will freakin` cut it out now.
I have a psychological imbalance that causes me to blurt out awful things about In-Fee.I hope I haven`t said anything that would cause pain in the backside that a couple of Vicodins wouldn`t cure.I`m a total troll-shill,ass,moron,Nothingsharp,Grecoboy,everything I`ve said here is :foot::jerkit::confused::barf::thumbdn::mad::
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The first step in dealing with a problem is recognizing that you have one.:thumbup:
 
The first step in recognizing you are behaving like a troll might have to be when I call you one. Chill out. You aren't going to get logical debate on your talking points because you keep changing your own subject.

We like to leave a lot of room for arguments here -- in both senses of the word. Go right ahead, but don't expect respect when all you've got to offer is insults.

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I've got 2 Greco folders, I've had them longer than most of you knew John Greco made knives. They are practically demolition tools, but a bit hard to use, very tight action and the handles need padding to improve the grip. His fixed blades are beautiful. He seems to make enough for his customers but he doesn't advertise the way many other makers do. No, this shill is doing it on his own ...
 
anythingsharp said:
Now I`m scared,please don`t do that.I will freakin` cut it out now.
I have a psychological imbalance that causes me to blurt out awful things about In-Fee.I hope I haven`t said anything that would cause pain in the backside that a couple of Vicodins wouldn`t cure.I`m a total troll-shill,ass,moron,Nothingsharp,Grecoboy,everything I`ve said here is :foot::jerkit::confused::barf::thumbdn::mad::
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yes, we all know you are a troll.

and what do busse knives have to do with this thread? your not so subtle inclusion of another maker's products is pathetic.
 
anythingsharp said:
If it takes an expert to know that a combat prybar-type 1/4" thick knife should be made of carbon and not stainless steel and it shouldn`t cost the same as a house in Michigan,then I`m the knife expert.This thread is ultimately about basic honesty.

Here is a great site for some of you to further hone your skills of internet debate:

http://benfrank.net/disinfo/

The tactics listed here are used by shills in political forums but as we see here,even in knife debates.
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why no stainless? ya lost me on that one, and yes i have read this thread, perhaps i missed something?

i like grecos stuff as much as anyone, great knives for the $$, i have had a few of 'em, imho there are a lotta other fixed blades just as good though, and i imagine john would agree with me on that.

some of them are SS too.........

and just because something costs $500 (or a $1000) doesnt make it bad (or good), if i was gonna have to make do with one knife i would grab my mad dog SEAL ATAK FWIW and its worth well over $500, its SS too, busse also is imho one of the top fixed blades around.

have ya ever actually owned/used a strider, or a busse?
 
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anythingsharp said:
Some 500$ knives are equal in quality to my Greco MST in 1/4" thick 52100 steel,none of them are equal in VALUE to 10 Grecos.

Here is a little fairy tale.Once upon a time a couple of dozen guys started to sell knives made of "new" steel.To each other.On a certain forum and ebay.At ever increasing prices while flooding the forums with exstatic praises of this "new" steel.Whether the knives actually traded hands is not known.Pretty soon others seeing the prices go up,joined the game which has continued to this very day.This happened in China and the steel had a quite Chinese-sounding name,something ending in "fee".
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And many dramatically exceed your Greco in every category, even of course in the static category since most $400 are in fact devoid of ststic therefore earning their place in the "ex-static" ranking you speak of.

Look, you are in love with Greco's knives above all others and will not acknolwledge that there are many knives made better that cost more than $50, so why bother to debate you.
Not one person here has ragged Greco knives, matter of fact many who have used one will agree they are nice knives for the money. Most here who are aware of John Greco's knives truly appreciate him for making a functioning "vanilla" knife for the price he charges. I bet if you asked John to take the position that his $50-$100 knives are better than the $500 knives you so hate he will not....

I am no longer that 6'1 190 pound super-secret, hi-speed operator, or am exposed to the terrible dangers that exist at the Malls or Supermarket parking lots I used to frequent so I do not need an overbuilt hardcore type knife. What I need is an EDC suited to the everyday tasks I now encounter and the handmade slipjoint I now carry fits the bill. As a former wannabe (I used to be an active, hardcore really badass wannabe but I shrunk 2" and now weigh 590 pounds :grumpy:) hero life saver, badass, brawling, 2X4 swinging scare the world type I do not need a heavy duty knife like Strider, Busse and others in that category. BUT if I did and my life depended on it I would make certain The knife I carried did what I needed it to without fail irrespective of the cost!!
 
SIFU1A said:
if i was gonna have to make do with one knife i would grab my mad dog SEAL ATAK FWIW and its worth well over $500, its SS too,
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Hello? Is anybody home? You just said your Mad Dog is stainless steel. Has someone hacked your account? :confused:

If Mad Dog hears about this he's going to go through the roof.... :D
 
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