Why not Strider??

I don't care about the background. I like the folders and would buy one if I had the dough. I think the fixed blades are overpriced. If you have ethical reasons for not buying Strider, then you'll want to stay away from Zero Tolerance. There's no way around that without being hypocritical.

I think soldiers deserve respect for serving the country, assuming they behaved ethically (they didn't rape and kill innocent people for fun. Killing innocent people may be accidental in wartime. Not justified, but understandable). I don't think that being a soldier makes them a more valuable person. I don't think one human is inherently more valuable as a human than another and I don't give a soldier more respect than a civilian on that basis alone.
 
Back to the knives themselves. Do some reading on their ergonomics and quality control, and you may decide they might not be worth the price. Mostly though they are good performers and very durable. Some people feel that justifies the price.

As far as avoiding companies with ownership you don't respect, that's a legitimate personal decision. So is supporting the American workers at that company and letting the owner or name over the door live with his own demons.

Life is too short for me to go around throwing rocks at people who have messed up more or less than I have. :(
 
If you really want the long and gritty tale, someone will come along shortly with a link to Sparks post on the subject.

Personally, I like the folders, the fixed blades are a bit much. I can get better for less. The SMF/SnG are some of the most ergonomic knives I've used. Solid lockup, good action, and designed to take everything you throw at it. Better yet, it's a folding prybar that can open boxes or pick my nails. It's something I don't have to worry about it breaking no matter what I throw at it.
 
Kiah said:
Also wrong. Dwyer has been outed too. He was a Marine, but worked as a data tech. His hardcore scout sniper stories are fantasy.
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I'll be damned. So they both suck.


I sold my SNG...definitely won't be replacing it.
 
Has anyone ever sat at the bar at a VFW or a Legion hall? No one was ever a cook or a pencil pusher there.

I don't care what happened in the past, I know no one in this life is without sin.
I like Strider folders they are a great product and worth what I paid for them. If I break them they will fix them.

Buy what you like.
 
Psychopomp said:
No I haven't. I think I worded that poorly too. I certainly respect those who have, but serving doesn't mean someone deserves more respect than someone who didn't.

I don't like the fact that Strider lied about his life. But a knife is a knife and if I like it, I'll give it a shot.

That said, if I liked the designs, his lies may be a turn off, I don't know. But coupled with the fact that the designs are a turn off, the lies don't seem to matter as much because I won't be buying one.
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Even though I have not served in the military, or even public service for that matter, I do place more respect on people that do. They serve and protect so I can choose not to. I do look at soldiers differently. I admire them. If I had my life to live over again, joining the military would be a requisite.

As far as the lying part of it goes (if true), I would not feel comfortable giving my business to someone that has lied to that extent. The trust is no longer there.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Back to the knives themselves. Do some reading on their ergonomics and quality control, and you may decide they might not be worth the price. Mostly though they are good performers and very durable. Some people feel that justifies the price.

As far as avoiding companies with ownership you don't respect, that's a legitimate personal decision. So is supporting the American workers at that company and letting the owner or name over the door live with his own demons.

Life is too short for me to go around throwing rocks at people who have messed up more or less than I have. :(
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As far as their folder, ergonomic is what its all about. They have amazing ergonomics. Ingenious design, considering they look awkward. I have had 3 now and no QC issues and none that I have seen for sale.
 
ericb445 said:
Has anyone ever sat at the bar at a VFW or a Legion hall? No one was ever a cook or a pencil pusher there.
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Stolen valor is wrong! Period! But since you seem to want to play games, how many of those people, telling 'stories' at the Legion hall or bar, are using/have used those 'stories' to sell their products? How many of those people, telling their 'stories,' have had those stories published in numerous magazines?

:jerkit:

ericb445 said:
I don't care what happened in the past, I know no one in this life is without sin.
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Cool. When you get duped, I'll expect to see a post about how you 'turned the other cheek' and it doesn't matter to you one bit.;)
 
Kaizen1 said:
If you have ethical reasons for not buying Strider, then you'll want to stay away from Zero Tolerance. There's no way around that without being hypocritical.
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Yeah there is. Don't buy the Strider collab models. The Hawk/Onion/Kershaw designed ones are fine!
 
If you have ever been to third bat thecage room has a few strider trainers in it, and i know a few bat boys carry SmFs. NSN: 1095-01-531-5015 btw people really are getting these issued. Ive seen a couple soldiers rockin striders, i dont carry one only because i cant afford one (knives are notorious in the military for getting lost or stolen. also im as much collector as user so alot of my expensive knives go into the safe. my best friend carries a strider mark1 on his molle and its a hell of a mean blade,it will do anything you ask of it ad the second you pick it up you feel like gutting someone with it, evn thou im an avid collector and user i was impressed by his knife.

Its very in vogue here to bash on the strider guys if you want a 180 opinion of strider knives go to www.usualsuspect.net they have their own sub-forum feel free to ask what they think and adress any questions you may have about striders. ( the USN is a great place even if you dont like striders)



Personaly i dont care if mick is a convicted felon or not i have friends who have done way worse doesnt automatically make a man a bad guy. its not like he just shot a dude threw the corpse out and drove off. there are plenty of people here who diss on strider but buy cold steel knives which in my opinion is an even shadier place just my opinion as i said. also theres an alternate veiw that a bunch of the heads ran a bit of a smear campaign on the strider guys headed by lynn c thomson i try to stay out of that whole mess though because it gets really really messy.


Make your own decision and get the knife thats rihgt for you. if your looking for a paragon of virtue company RAT cutlery is as close as they come and i also think that thefolks at busse are very honest as well. hope yo ind the perfect knife.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Yeah there is. Don't buy the Strider collab models. The Hawk/Onion/Kershaw designed ones are fine!
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That's what I said. If you don't buy Strider for ethical reasons but do buy Strider collabs, then it's hypocritical.
 
That's pretty much the jist of it for me.

Anybody that wants the meat of the ethical issues with Mick and Duane (and Pat Rogers, who I won't even start on), can do a Google search of "pownetwork strider knives" and go from there. Beyond that, I'm gonna drop it in this thread.

As for the knives, I've handled a couple of the folders. They are big, beefy, and certainly some of the toughest folders out there.

Edit: meant to quote alaskanmonte, but it got cut out.
 
Eikowan said:
That's where we'll agree to disagree. I'll leave it at that.
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I agree with your agreement to disagree.


Uh, I mean that you disagreeing with and then agreeing to disagree is the part that I agree with.

Basically, I mean that soldiers deserve a lot of our respect for many reasons but mainly for volunteering to do a job that many afforded the freedoms protected by that work were not willing to do.

Ok that is confusing too so: Soldiers deserve respect.
 
MadmanR1 said:
I agree with your agreement to disagree.


Uh, I mean that you disagreeing with and then agreeing to disagree is the part that I agree with.

Basically, I mean that soldiers deserve a lot of our respect for many reasons but mainly for volunteering to do a job that many afforded the freedoms protected by that work were not willing to do.

Ok that is confusing too so: Soldiers deserve respect.
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That's like saying postal workers and trash collectors deserve respect. So does the waitress in the diner down the road, and the guy who works on your boilers when it's 110 degrees.

Everyone deserves respect, it just a job. What matters is the kind of person you are, not what you choose to do for a living.
 
UpChUcK said:
Even though I have not served in the military, or even public service for that matter, I do place more respect on people that do.
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I don't.
But those who lie about serving still piss me off. They lose the respect I have for normal, decent people.
 
I have served in the Air Force for 9 years, and I do think it is a big big deal to lie about your service. I think that if it was true about the Strider guys they would have been in Big trouble about the claims they made if they where not true, It is a Federal crime. Maybe they did.... I don't know, But I still like the knives they make. I didnt buy them for the their claims about being Hard core operators. I bought them because I like the knives.
 
Josh K said:
That's like saying postal workers and trash collectors deserve respect. So does the waitress in the diner down the road, and the guy who works on your boilers when it's 110 degrees.

Everyone deserves respect, it just a job. What matters is the kind of person you are, not what you choose to do for a living.
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I basically agree with this. I think certain jobs require a little more sacrifice for others and provide a smaller return for themselves. And those that make that choice for those reasons probably says something about their character that I can probably agree with.

But I do recall a story of a woman who in WWII was not a soldier but risked her life almost on a daily basis to sneak out children from concentration camps. She literally save thousands of children and the families that those children grew up to have. She gets WAY more respect from me than the guy who joined the SEALs just so he could get his adrenaline fix. Being a soldier in itself tells me very little about why I should respect him/her.
 
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