Why not Strider??

Its never really bashing if you stick with the facts and only the facts leaving your opinion out of it. Some may say its talking $hit to even comment on something or someone they support but in the same sentence they that condemn another for what was said will find themselves caught doing just what they are condemning in another.. Talking $hit. What irony huh?

I respect those that have served their country and certainly I respect those that have put their lives on the line and died protecting our freedom and security. I respect them a hell of a lot! Some of the boys my son left with from New York when he went to Iraq for his tour of duty over there came home but did so in boxes filled with what was left of them. This is what came back to their parents and wives and I would ask that you not slap them in the face! Its not so much an issue of pretending to be in the military that gets everyone so riled up here! Its pretending not only to be in the military as a hard core operative for Spec Ops but the thought of one pretending to be a hero of sorts, IE combat vet and the respect that came with that title and believe me if you think that pedestal of 'hero worship' is not one of the things behind why an ego, any ego makes up stories of valor you are sadly naive!

Say what you want about those that pretend to be something they were not or are not and how it doesn't matter to you whether it be that special someone pretending to be a millionaire investor taking a loan out with a false/stolen ID (perhaps yours) or someone selling your home with a false deed while you are on a Cruise all so you have a big surprise to come home to after vacation, or someone packing on a little extra valor for charming up an article about them or their products in a major magazine just to help promote them and their sales a little bit better. To many of us these actions do matter. They matter a lot and those actions do have consequences and those that do these things should expect all the repurcussions and consequences that go with that karma when the SHTF and they get caught in my opinion. I'd add also that those supporting them should expect the repurcussions that go with that support also by having to at the least listen to an ear full from those that feel differently or look down on it. Go ahead tell us some more how much it doesn't matter and you don't care.

Its pretty obvious that this country is more concerned about Michael Jackson and his funeral arrangements than anything of real importance so it really should not surprise me that some folks feel the way they do. I mean folks just like this will condemn an active duty Major in the Army, one that served his country in combat for real under George Bush by the way, for simply asking for proof that his new Commander in Chief was actually born in the USA and then even fire his sorry a$$ for the gall to question what many others and even some that ran against the man for the office contend. But look on the bright side. Apparently this Major can now go out and start a knife company and name it Fraud Inc. for all anyone cares and make up a nice story for a magazine article or three to put himself up there with the elite all but claiming outright to be a medal of honor recipient and be rewarded for it later with government contracts to make those knives. Oh but of course only after changing his name first!

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That's like saying postal workers and trash collectors deserve respect. So does the waitress in the diner down the road, and the guy who works on your boilers when it's 110 degrees.

Everyone deserves respect, it just a job. What matters is the kind of person you are, not what you choose to do for a living.

Quoted for pure craziness.

Risking your life fighting in foriegn lands is a far cry from collecting trash, delivering mail, or fixing air conditioners. I don't see how you can possibly make that comparison. To me, the comparison alone is disrespectful to those who have done so.

Combat vets hands down deserve more respect than my garbage man. My mind will not be changed on this one. Maybe I spent too much time around my grandfather and vets in general, but what they did seems special to me, more special than when my packages arrive on time. Army infantry, Battle of the Bulge, Blue Ridge division. Just for fun I'm going to ask him if the people under his command who died deserve more respect than my garbage man and see what he says.
 
Well, since this thread has been moved ...

The Strider company was founded before the almost universal proliferation of the net. Info wasn't as easy to come by as it is now. Mickey Burger and Duane Poland most likely wouldn't have been made had the info not been as easy to find.

Strider's bullshit goes well past lieing to sell knives. Let's look at their "Training Division". The Strider company had a training division headed up by Pat Rogers. Duane apparently taught sniping in this training division (the data technician). This group of phonies not only claimed fantasies to sell knives, they used them to sell training to civilians, LEO, and military.

Pat Rogers managed to dupe the government for large wads of cash for his "training" based on fabricated tales. To top it off, he also had no issues training a terrorist organization and actually promoted it. Anyone in the military should be appaled that Strider would promote a man of epic fantasies that has no problem training terorists, to teach our soldiers. That is, of course, if they weren't of the same ilk.

The Strider company is not "just" a knife company, it is a conglomerate of bullshit that will do whatever it takes to get cash and has no issues with coming up with the most outrageous tales it can to do it.

In closing, I suggest buying what you like. Personally, I wouldn't buy their knives if they were diamond encrusted and sold in the dollar bin at Walmart.
 
I will not buy Striders. I don't particularly feel the need to give more respect to fellow Soldiers over other professions, there's too many damn jobs in the military to give a blanket atta-boy, but I sure as hell have less respect for people who lie their asses off about combat experience to hock their wares. I also don't care about NSNs; there's a $35 fixed blade at the PX which has an NSN, it comes wrapped in plastic and half the ones on the shelf don't have a tip.

I will also continue to cast stones until every single person on this site owns a United, Dark Ops, Mantis, Cold Steel, Allan Blade, Jack Crain, and M-Tech.
 
Strider has good designs (IMHO) and shitty steel for the prybar knives that his designs are.Also,paying 300$+ for a piece of stainless steel wrapped in paracord can only be explained by underlying childish "special forces" mall ninja fantasies.

If you want to support honest Americans there are John Greco,Ted Frizzell and plenty of great knifemakers on the makers` section of BF.

Strider knives should have been made of 5160,S7,A2 and CPM3V and they should have been priced at least 50% lower than the current price.
 
Each of us should make up their own mind based on what is important to them. Strider definitely has some knives, particularly the customs, that I like very much, but I've made my decision not to support the company for my own reasons.
 
As popular as these knives were at the height of Mick's and Dwayne's "accepted as true" BS special ops military stories, no one has yet answered me the simple question I asked in the other threads.

Has ANYONE ever witnessed either one of them actually making a knife?

It would seem to me that based on where they were located and their almost cult-like following that a few enthusiastic collectors of their stuff would have at least dropped buy their shop to watch them in action while making a knife.

Personally, I seriously doubt that either one of these two self-proclaimed special ops "military heroe" bs artists ever made one of their supposed "custom" knives nor ever had a Strider owned manufacturing facility to make the ones that weren't custom.
 
As popular as these knives were at the height of Mick's and Dwayne's "accepted as true" BS special ops military stories, no one has yet answered me the simple question I asked in the other threads.

Has ANYONE ever witnessed either one of them actually making a knife?

It would seem to me that based on where they were located and their almost cult-like following that a few enthusiastic collectors of their stuff would have at least dropped buy their shop to watch them in action while making a knife.

Personally, I seriously doubt that either one of these two self-proclaimed special ops "military heroe" bs artists ever made one of their supposed "custom" knives nor ever had a Strider owned manufacturing facility to make the ones that weren't custom.

I am starting to think that Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer (or whatever their real names are) being knifemakers is probably the biggest myth of all.
 
As popular as these knives were at the height of Mick's and Dwayne's "accepted as true" BS special ops military stories, no one has yet answered me the simple question I asked in the other threads.

Has ANYONE ever witnessed either one of them actually making a knife?

It would seem to me that based on where they were located and their almost cult-like following that a few enthusiastic collectors of their stuff would have at least dropped buy their shop to watch them in action while making a knife.

Personally, I seriously doubt that either one of these two self-proclaimed special ops "military heroe" bs artists ever made one of their supposed "custom" knives nor ever had a Strider owned manufacturing facility to make the ones that weren't custom.


Yes- I have been at the Strider shop countless times- I have watched both Mick and Duane, on separate occasions, both grinding blades (they have a separate small room where they do this) and have watched them assemble and build knives from scratch.

Ok?

Has this answered your question?

Best regards,

Neil Ostroff
True North Knives
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www.TrueNorthKnives.com
 
I will never buy a Strider partially because of the lies and disrespect, but mostly because I don't need to spend $400 on a knife that is just slightly better than some $200 knives.
 
What I would like to know is, have Mick or Duane ever admitted that they lied about their service records? The fact that no one's getting sued is pretty much an admission of guilt if I'm tracking this whole thing correctly. I could see some slack being given if they just admitted to making a mistake and asking forgiveness, but to just continue on the same tack as if they'd never been outed is just bush league, IMO.
 
I am starting to think that Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer (or whatever their real names are) being knifemakers is probably the biggest myth of all.

My thoughts exactly.The only way to know if one is a knifemaker is to order a knife of your design to be made by the person.Ted Frizzell and Bill Siegle have made knives for me so I have no doubt these 2 gentlemen are knifemakers.If you look at Siegle`s work you`ll notice 100`s of different patterns,hardly ever you see exactly the same knife coming from his shop.Why buy Strider if you can have several Grecos or 2-3 Siegles for the same price(also made from the appropriate carbon steels for the job)?When ATS34 was hot,Strider used it,then BG42 was hyped as the "steel of the future" and Strider switched to this crap,now S30V is the Holy Graal of steel and he switched again.Stainless steel survival knife can only appeal to novices who are ignorant about steel properties.

PS.Dan Certo has recently caught the overpriced bug and after his knife was used in some movie he is charging Strider-type prices for his knives that used to be affordable.He has a choice of either 5160 or S30V for his blades (great knives but not at the current price).
 
FYI: Mick makes most of the damascus used for the customs himself.

Here is an example of Mick Strider's Forged Damascus on a Duane Dwyer CUSTOM knife.

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Neil Ostroff
TRUE NORTH KNIVES
www.truenorthknives.com
 
Nice example Mr Ostroff.

And Yes Cougar , it is indeed true. My mind is slipping , and I can't remember who it was Mick learned the damascus making craft from , perhaps Neil can remember. I had one his early damascus pieces for awhile. Might have been Jim Ferguson , but don't quote me on that.
 
Yes- I have been at the Strider shop countless times- I have watched both Mick and Duane, on separate occasions, both grinding blades (they have a separate small room where they do this) and have watched them assemble and build knives from scratch.

Ok?

Has this answered your question?

Best regards,

Neil Ostroff
True North Knives
------------------------------
www.TrueNorthKnives.com

Yes. Thanks, Neil.

Considering the despicable level of non-stop self-serving BS they both spewed in order to sell their knives and profit immensely from, I definitely would have bet otherwise.
 
I could see some slack being given if they just admitted to making a mistake and asking forgiveness, but to just continue on the same tack as if they'd never been outed is just bush league, IMO.

I think you hit the nail on the head, Gavin.
 
Nice example Mr Ostroff.

And Yes Cougar , it is indeed true. My mind is slipping , and I can't remember who it was Mick learned the damascus making craft from , perhaps Neil can remember. I had one his early damascus pieces for awhile. Might have been Jim Ferguson , but don't quote me on that.

Yes, it was Jim Ferguson who taught Mick to forge Damascus and sold him the forge when he retired several years ago.

Mick not only forges the Damascus steel himself, in various patterns, but also does his own leather work.

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Best regards,

Neil Ostroff
TRUE NORTH KNIVES
www.truenorthknives.com
 
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