Would it be dishonest?

[Badhammer]

The answer the OP is looking for is pretty basic. Do the right thing, for the right reason, every time.

 

[shinyedges]

This post irritates the hell out of me, now that your intentions are clear I retract my earlier assessment and will advise you to take a serious self reflection moment. Your logic is 10 kinds of dumb.

It is not the brand, but more so the retailers fault. I love my leatherman, I love my Masters Of Defense knives, I love my spyderco, I love my SAK's. I have bought all listed and have had no problems with them. That is because they are quality pieces, and have come from good sellers. I don't really blame REI too much even though I feel cheated, you can't check every nook and cranny of a knife like a collector can... the employees got stuff to do. I just wan't my money back, plain and simple. Things like this WILL happen when you decide to run your company in this manner. I am decided about this. And I regret posting this question.

 

[shinyedges]

Further more, its people like you who RUIN a good warranty for everyone. Today morals and ethics are in short supply, do they not teach this in school???

Im in college for CJ and we talk about ethics frequently.


OP must be young, so dude quit being bull headed and hear what people are saying, to put it simply " it aint rite, it wrong".

Perhaps if the knife was unused and rei could sell it and be made whole it would be less icky, but if its a user then refer to the answer above I simplified for you.

 

[the kid]

I'll also add I received the knife with two small scratches on the blade (no big deal), and up and down blade play (big deal for me). These are big reasons I want to return the knife.

An AXIS lock knife should not have any up and down blade play, the lock makes it impossible. That's the beauty of an AXIS lock knife; it compensates for wear so there is never any up and down blade play.
That being said, I've read other posts where people say their Benchmade AXIS lock has up and down blade play. Which confuses the hell out of me.

See my explanation in this thread (post #27)

 

[craytab]

Well, if you have to ask these sort of question, you already know the answer. Looks like you have decided to do the wrong thing here even though you know the right thing to do.:thumbdn:

I just feel like I got gypped.

I doubt gypsies sold you the knife and are trying to rip you off.

Isn't it normal to carry the knife and use it to find if the knife is good for you? Anyways thanks for the advice!

No. it is not normal.

I'll also add I received the knife with two small scratches on the blade (no big deal), and up and down blade play (big deal for me). These are big reasons I want to return the knife.

I feel I got ripped off, the knife had blade play when purchased, which made me sick. It also had some light scratches as I said, causing me to feel the knife wasn't brand new.

Did we forget the blade play? I respect you sir, but I feel this comment was a little biased.

We didn't but it looks like you did until nearly a year later. If something makes you so sick why not take care of it right away. That is what normal people do. God forbid you pick up a torx screw and try to adjust it. Let's not forget that you also had the knife in and and should have checked for blade play before you paid rather than a year later.

The ignorance level is high here.

So leave and bring the ignorance level down a bit. Do I even have to mention the list?

 

[Peter Hartwig]

This thread(and a few others lately) indicate there are some here(surely very small minority) that need an adjustment to their moral compass. I presume they are very young, but even that is no excuse. Treat others as you would wanted to be treated. This question should never have been asked, much less defended.

 

[marcinek]

The rules here dictate people need to be sure they want the item, BEFORE claiming t purchase. On the flipside, sellers should only sell if they are sure they don't want the item.

Good enough for me. If it would not be acceptable buyer behavior behavior here, then its not acceptable buyer behavior anywhere, in my opinion.

 

[Moondrop]

Further more, its people like you who RUIN a good warranty for everyone. Today morals and ethics are in short supply, do they not teach this in school???

Morals and ethics start at home--at least they used to. My sister is a middle school teacher. Believe me--teachers have enough on their plates trying to teach math, science, history, literature, language, etc., to kids who were never taught morals or ethics by their parents. This, while administrators interrupt classroom and planning time with all kinds of pointless meetings and other nonsense. By the time students are mature/old enough to actually study morals and ethics, they have to have already gotten a basic grasp on the concepts to begin with.

It really doesn't take almost a year to decide a knife is "not for you". If it had blade play and scratches out of the box, it should have been returned ASAP; not after the owner has (I'm just assuming here; I could be wrong) read post after post on the internet about how the "handles feel cheap" and "Benchmades are overpriced for what you get" and then felt like he'd paid too much for it.

The idea that started this thread is just sad.

 

[toker]

The OP was always looking for an excuse to do this. He was looking for one or two people to tell him it was OK, because he was having second thoughts on doing the right thing.

What I find ridiculous is that he was unhappy with the knife due to issues like blade play, etc. Yet not once did he try to contact Benchmade to let them correct the issue.

 

[Ken44]

:thumbup:

You started this thread as if you were sincere, when in fact you already knew what you were going to do. That is clear, and I can't figure out why you started this thread unless it was just for the for drama.

The ignorance level is high here.

Yes, we picked up on that pretty early. No need to tell us you're ignorant at this point.

And if you will look at the advice you called ignorant you will see much of it was from long time members, and two of our SuperMods. Those Supers have been giving great advice for a long while, and the advice they gave you was certainly not ignorant.

 

[barcbsa]

1. If you noticed the scratches and blade play a year ago you should have returned the knife a year ago.

2. If the knife just isn't right for you, too bad, use it, sell it or give it away.

3. I've got a drawer full of knives that that I've bought and then determined they just aren't right for me. That's life.

4. It appears you made up your mind before you posted and just want people to agree with you. That didn't happen so you insult them.

5. I can't imagine why anyone on this site would ever deal with you again.

6. Grow up.

 

[firefighterguy]

Gosh I hope they make him send it to benchmade instead.

 

[KELAMA]

Morals and ethics start at home--at least they used to. My sister is a middle school teacher. Believe me--teachers have enough on their plates trying to teach math, science, history, literature, language, etc., to kids who were never taught morals or ethics by their parents. This, while administrators interrupt classroom and planning time with all kinds of pointless meetings and other nonsense. By the time students are mature/old enough to actually study morals and ethics, they have to have already gotten a basic grasp on the concepts to begin with.

It really doesn't take almost a year to decide a knife is "not for you". If it had blade play and scratches out of the box, it should have been returned ASAP; not after the owner has (I'm just assuming here; I could be wrong) read post after post on the internet about how the "handles feel cheap" and "Benchmades are overpriced for what you get" and then felt like he'd paid too much for it.

The idea that started this thread is just sad.

This thread(and a few others lately) indicate there are some here(surely very small minority) that need an adjustment to their moral compass. I presume they are very young, but even that is no excuse. Treat others as you would wanted to be treated. This question should never have been asked, much less defended.

^^^^
THESE!

This thread is so utterly stupid, I won't even dignify a response to the, OP.

Something positive did result from this ridiculous, childish, stupid, thread, however: 2 people were added to my ignore list; & I got to see BF member, "SURFINGRINGO'S, avatar again, which always seems to make me feel happy.

Oh, & OP- please do not purchase a BF membership. Thank you.

 

[shinyedges]

I agree it starts at home, unfortunately it seems ALOT of youth aren't getting it though. Houston we have a problem.

If rei were to except the knife back if the OP disclosed EVERYTHING (not saying they will)then it would not be dishonest, it would be a morally and ethically wrong. There is a difference, just clarifying.

It would be dishonest if he lied about the condition of the knife and intended to deceive the company.

Morals and ethics start at home--at least they used to. My sister is a middle school teacher. Believe me--teachers have enough on their plates trying to teach math, science, history, literature, language, etc., to kids who were never taught morals or ethics by their parents. This, while administrators interrupt classroom and planning time with all kinds of pointless meetings and other nonsense. By the time students are mature/old enough to actually study morals and ethics, they have to have already gotten a basic grasp on the concepts to begin with.

It really doesn't take almost a year to decide a knife is "not for you". If it had blade play and scratches out of the box, it should have been returned ASAP; not after the owner has (I'm just assuming here; I could be wrong) read post after post on the internet about how the "handles feel cheap" and "Benchmades are overpriced for what you get" and then felt like he'd paid too much for it.

The idea that started this thread is just sad.

 

[Bobby3326]

This would be in par with buying a knife using it a year, going out buying the same knife then taking your year old knife back and return it as the one you just bought. I was talking with a worker at A local sporting goods spot near me that sells a variety of high and low end knives, and he was saying that happens all the time. It's the reason they made a no return policy on knives, but under certain circumstances will still return a knife bought within a few days and shows 0 signs of use and is in resale condition or is a factory defect.

It's a-Holes like this that give a typically very honest knife community like we have here a bad name.

This also reminds me of those scumbags who go into a nice restaurant and order up a bunch of food they have no intention on paying for, they eat there whole meal them complain about it and make a huge scene until they get their meal comped. Or get down to the last few bites and miraculously discover a 2'hair mixed in with 4 noodles.

 

[gonebad395]

It's sad that you even have the gull to walk in to the store with this knife that after a years use you can look these people in the eye and try to tell them manufacturer defects is why I'm returning it. You used this knife man plain and simple if these said defects bothered you so much why wait a year? I belive someone else said it takes about 15 seconds to know a knife is for you. If you are seriously on the fence about it carry it a few days you'll know for sure by then but a year to say yep not for me is bs. These stores have these return policies yes and people like you who found something better and want to use it to your advantage stink. Hope you don't have a hard time looking in the mirror I know I you'd.

 

[Nfd538]

REI has a no question asked return policy for members. I returned a mini Grip to REI after two weeks without issue. Nothing dishonest about it. After a year though that's a bit weird.

 

[shinyedges]

Problem is its been 52 weeks and he used the knife... as long as he doesn't lie about the knife to rei, no its not dishonest but it is wrong.


If rei doesn't mind (not saying they don't) then that's their prerogative, but I don't believe their policy was intended to be used in the fashion the OP is wanting to use it.

I could be wrong though and REI support this in which case its neither morally wrong or ethically wrong or dishonest. I HIGHLY doubt that to be the case.

REI has a no question asked return policy for members. I returned a mini Grip to REI after two weeks without issue. Nothing dishonest about it.

 

[hoppes no9]

Dishonest? No.

Shady as hell? Absolutely.

 

[Bobby3326]

It's sad that you even have the gull to walk in to the store with this knife that after a years use you can look these people in the eye and try to tell them manufacturer defects is why I'm returning it. You used this knife man plain and simple if these said defects bothered you so much why wait a year? I belive someone else said it takes about 15 seconds to know a knife is for you. If you are seriously on the fence about it carry it a few days you'll know for sure by then but a year to say yep not for me is bs. These stores have these return policies yes and people like you who found something better and want to use it to your advantage stink. Hope you don't have a hard time looking in the mirror I know I you'd.

I'm seriously hoping they laugh in his face, the longest I've taken to return a knife was 2 weeks. That was only bc I hadn't had a chance to use it until that point. Which when I did discovered it had a defective heat treat, and was within the 30 day time frame allotted by the company. Typically they only accepted resale condition knives for returns, which it wasn't and I didn't try to pass it off as such either. I worked with there knife technician and even thou I'd already tried it he sharpened and tested the knife several times to see if it was possibly a burnt factory edge. After sharpening it back fairly far, (further than what it would see after a year of hard use) he concluded that there was definitely something wrong with it and refunded me since there were no more in stock.