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[RX-79G]

It's getting might frigging old and tiresome too. I am starting to think that the original hiatus was not nearly long enough.
Some folks like to argue, just to argue, and when that happens and becomes the clear intent that is when the value of that person's contributions and even presence dries up. The funniest part is that as a wise man once said, those who know the least, know it the loudest. It could not be more evident here. Just because you state your position and sound of your voice gets louder, doesn't make your words truer, volume and repetition does not share a causal relationship with truth. Most get it, a few special ones never will.

And what is the truth? You are one of the people saying that Ganzo is counterfeiting. What counterfeiting?


If your thing is "to hell with people that love them some counterfeit "whatevers", why don't you define what the hell it is you're talking about? Making an argument personal is also a great way of making truth go out the window.

 

[RX-79G]

Yes a normal person can read, but the average person cant distinguish between this $45 knife:

And this $445 knife:

And thats the point, even if it doesnt call itself a Sebenza (which in fact this one does) its clearly intended to be an exact copy of one. This is illegal.

You cant register a simple shape, correct, but a Honda Odyssey doesnt look like a Dodge Caravan because Honda would be sued, because the SHAPE or design of the entire vehicle is protected. The design of a car, truck, motorcycle, boat, knife isnt a simple shape. People buy knives and cars, and shoes becasue of the way they look. this look is protected. All you need to do is google "design patent" and youll see the myriad objects and products of so called "simple" shapes that are protected.

The Sebenza shape is capable of being protected under trade dress law. Their are distinctive features that are not essential to its function. A Sebenza would still function and perform the same if its finger notches were a different shape or if the handle was a different shape, or if the production holes were filled in.

I understand why you feel like that, and a court might decide you're right about that example given the blue fittings along with everything else. But that would only be if CRK can AND did register those things. It is a bit like the Honshu/Taipan and Buck/Shrade LB7 examples that Killgar posted and sponsors sell here. Really close "clones" that are accepted on the forum as normal.

 

[craytab]

And what is the truth? You are one of the people saying that Ganzo is counterfeiting. What counterfeiting?


If your thing is "to hell with people that love them some counterfeit "whatevers", why don't you define what the hell it is you're talking about? Making an argument personal is also a great way of making truth go out the window.

So if Ganzo is making the Benchmade Axis lock and calling it the Axis lock, how is that not counterfeiting? Stolen Patent and stolen trademark.

 

[Danke42]

This is like watching a Kerplunk tournament.

 

[RX-79G]

So if Ganzo is making the Benchmade Axis lock and calling it the Axis lock, how is that not counterfeiting? Stolen Patent and stolen trademark.

Really, that is a good question:

The Axis lock patent is good only in the US, so no company can create or import an "Axis lock". Ganzo does not make anything in the US, and Ganzo doesn't import to the US.

Other people, including US consumers, illegally import Ganzo's with "axis locks", and they are the ones infringing on the patent. Ganzo isn't.

Trademarks on the same way - national and international. Does Ganzo itself use the word "Axis" is print where the Trademark is in force?

 

[LEGION 12]

This is like watching a Kerplunk tournament.

Lol !

 

[craytab]

Really, that is a good question:

The Axis lock patent is good only in the US, so no company can create or import an "Axis lock". Ganzo does not make anything in the US, and Ganzo doesn't import to the US.

Other people, including US consumers, illegally import Ganzo's with "axis locks", and they are the ones infringing on the patent. Ganzo isn't.

Trademarks on the same way - national and international. Does Ganzo itself use the word "Axis" is print where the Trademark is in force?

So that makes it okay? That makes it okay for such knives to be spoken about positively on this forum? Because hey, ganzo did nothing wrong.

 

[KELAMA]

So are we talking about companies like Ganzo, or are we talking about counterfeiters? Entirely different animals.

No. I was merely adding my $.02 worth, onto what Maven had posted.

Damn RX, were you a member of the "Speech & Debate" club, back in High School or College? I can only imagine what it must've been like for the opposing debate team, when they realized that they were facing your school.

You take some of these discussions way too seriously (like that one steel thread). If I could just speak to you face to face right now, it would probably go something like this (I'm Newman & you're the guy behind the counter: starting at 0:28)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8sHhpZDwpI

Happy tree's bro!

 

[RX-79G]

So that makes it okay? That makes it okay for such knives to be spoken about positively on this forum? Because hey, ganzo did nothing wrong.

"Okay?" It makes it legal, and not counterfeit.

As far as "okay" goes: Please explain how Kershaw using the lock technology Walker developed is different than Ganzo using what Benchmade developed when there aren't patents in force in either case.

 

[RX-79G]

No. I was merely adding my $.02 worth, onto what Maven had posted.

Damn RX, were you a member of the "Speech & Debate" club, back in High School or College? I can only imagine what it must've been like for the opposing debate team, when they realized that they were facing your school.

You take some of these discussions way too seriously (like that one steel thread). If I could just speak to you face to face right now, it would probably go something like this (I'm Newman & you're the guy behind the counter: starting at 0:28)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8sHhpZDwpI

Happy tree's bro!

I get tired of pretending that the number of people insisting something is not true suddenly makes it true. It doesn't take a special effort to answer a question or objection. This isn't particle physics.

 

[Andy the Aussie]

Y'all have WAY too much money if y'all are buying CRK and ZT and Shirogov.

.... nope I have worked hard since a month after I left high school (that was 1986), I have held fulltime employment since pretty much the same point (I think there was three months between jobs in 1990 that I really considered as a holiday and lived off my savings). So, because I have worked hard and earned $$s I have too much as I choose to spend it on a knife of my choosing ?? How very socialist of you. No one is going to put you down for buying the knife you can afford, this is not about "I have more money than you" it is about counterfeit/copied/misrepresented knives. There are plenty of knives available around $50 that are quite functional (I own a number) and which are not going to draw crabs.

 

[craytab]

"Okay?" It makes it legal, and not counterfeit.

Please explain how Kershaw using the lock technology Walker developed is different than Ganzo using what Benchmade developed when there aren't patents in force in either case.

So you are okay with it then. Got it. Should benchmade be okay with it? Should benchmade want to participate in a forum that accepts your definition of the ganzo counterfeit situation?

 

[Armadew]

If you see nothing wrong with this:

You are morally castrated. Arguing legality and semantics defending it makes you a morally castrated pompous twit.

 

[Mecha]

I get tired of pretending that the number of people insisting something is not true suddenly makes it true. It doesn't take a special effort to answer a question or objection. This isn't particle physics.

Particle physics is so 1930's.

 

[RX-79G]

So you are okay with it then. Got it. Should benchmade be okay with it? Should benchmade want to participate in a forum that accepts your definition of the ganzo counterfeit situation?

I'm not part of it. This is law. Laws that define "counterfeit" and "patents" very clearly.

Benchmade did not seek an international patent, so they must have been "okay" with their patent ending at the borders.


But if you are asking if someone at Benchmade has hurt feelings because their US patent doesn't work outside the US, that would be crazy. And when the patent ends this summer, hopefully they won't be upset about that, either. They got 20 years of protected US sales for their invention.

Same question: Is it "immoral" or "not-okay" for Kershaw to use Walker's liner lock?

 

[RX-79G]

If you see nothing wrong with this:

You are morally castrated. Arguing legality and semantics defending it makes you a morally castrated pompous twit.

Do you see this?

Tell me the difference.

 

[Spartan00]

"Okay?" It makes it legal, and not counterfeit.

As far as "okay" goes: Please explain how Kershaw using the lock technology Walker developed is different than Ganzo using what Benchmade developed when there aren't patents in force in either case.

Walker didn't invent the liner lock...

 

[Armadew]

Tell me where I said I support it? Do you?

 

[craytab]

I'm not part of it. This is law. Laws that define "counterfeit" and "patents" very clearly.

Benchmade did not seek an international patent, so they must have been "okay" with their patent ending at the borders.


But if you are asking if someone at Benchmade has hurt feelings because their US patent doesn't work outside the US, that would be crazy. And when the patent ends this summer, hopefully they won't be upset about that, either. They got 20 years of protected US sales for their invention.

Same question: Is it "immoral" or "not-okay" for Kershaw to use Walker's liner lock?

And not a single question answered as usual. I'm back to watching from the sidelines. There is nothing to be gained here.

 

[RX-79G]

Tell me where I said I support it? Do you?

You need to say what you do support, because there is functionally no difference between taking Walker's version of the liner lock or taking any other feature without paying for it.

And that is normal for the knife industry, and every other industry. Posting what some of you feel is a shocking picture doesn't change history or the law.